Good blog.

here were several fan theories and fake leaks that said Diana was gonna be here cus she had a vision of Darkseid or something

Reminds me of a fan theory I came across watching an AJ video that the Knightmare Sequence is a premonition of Diana, believing Superman to go evil.

Her role was definitely disappointing in the film.

Great blog, sums up perfectly what I think of the DCEU franchise at the moment. Not sure it'll be met with the optimistic criticism you use by the fan base here though :-)

I am sorry you feel that way, but I don't see why this needed its own thread

I barely remembered a week ago how much Snyder hyped her up. This movie filled with so many missed opportunities. As for the Knightmare scene, that was crammed in cus Snyder wanted to make an other Cool Batman scene and he wanted to do Injustice before anyone else.

I don't care. I'd be for affected by people telling me I'm beating a dead horse, since I do feel like I am.

Cus I'm a rebel

I've been pretty demoralized by DC in the film department. I'll support their comic industry till I die same with Marvel but film wise? Nah. It didn't just start with the DCEU but movies like GL 2011, Jonah Hex and every DCEU movie thus far and the vision and aesthetic for it have made me less than hopeful. Give me comics anyday, Pre Flashpoint, N52, Rebirth. Animated properties too especially my childhood DCAU

So basically JL doesn't excite you because you cant see the wood for the trees and bought into the wrong theories on BvS.

Btw, Snyder himself called Wonder Woman's part in BvS a 'glorified cameo', which certainly fit the part that she had in it.

@saintwildcard: Lol

Some would call them theories....I call them plot lines and set ups from the previous movie that were shown in the trailer..... but hey, puck me for wanting what they showed in the trailer right? And if this wood analogy means that it was in the movie, I said they were barely in it and underdeveloped while Batman's was stretched out. To which I put it on you with the question "Why stretch out one storyline super long, while making the others short and crammed in?"

When did he do that, Cus I recall a ton of articles and Collider reporting he said she had a big role. Exact quote

She plays a super-important part. In a lot of ways, she’s the gateway drug to
the rest of the Justice League.

Zack Snyder

Also, I said quite a few more reasons why I'm not hyped

PS- Whether he said that or not, that doesn't change that he screwed the pooch by giving Batman a storyline that would have served better as Wonder Woman's since it fits in with her backstory. Proof of Batcramming, and that's a fact you can't change jack

@saintwildcard:

I barely remembered a week ago how much Snyder hyped her up. This movie filled with so many missed opportunities. As for the Knightmare scene, that was crammed in cus Snyder wanted to make an other Cool Batman scene and he wanted to do Injustice before anyone else.

I'm tempted to agree with you. People say the Knightmare Sequence is a Justice League set up, but there is barely set up. And I doubt anyone will be on board with the franchise because "oooh! They included a Darkseid reference!" Then again there was the unfitting Flash cameo.

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if your "cool Batman scene" observation is right. Especially considering up to then, there was barely any action in the film.

Personally, this film is a guilty pleasure. It is visually fantastic and scored and is elevated by Ben Affleck's performance (perhaps you should've been in the film less, but his performance is fantastic), besides that it is OK. I wanted more.

I'm currently working on an edit to BvS. In which I breakdown the movie and say scenes and motivations that should have been in it. I don't wanna give much way, but I'll address the Batman screen time. The problem I have with his screen time, is that it's the least important the the world building of the DCEU. And it's not helped by an other problem the movie has, which is keeping it's main characters separate and rarely interacting. Clark, Lois, Bruce and Lex were basically in separate corners of the movie for the longest time. An edit I would make is, adding the "friendship" from Luthor:MoS and having Bruce and Lex know eachother. They met during a fundraiser for Metropolis, and they have been "friends" ever since. You'll see Lex manipulate Bruce in his weakest moment by feeding into his anger. You still get Batfleck screen time, but you flesh out both these characters and you move their stories forward. Killing two birds with one stone.

As for his performance, it's the best, no denying that. But when Superman barely talks, Lex is terrible and WW is a glorified Cameo, it's not hard to shine bright in a pile of manure.

I have not seen the movie myself, however I have seen a clip or clips of them fighting Doomsday, very underwhelming and it do not make sense for a movie. Doomsday is too big not fully develop and the fight is too short; just like the fight with Superman vs Batman. Looking at the clip or clips shows the movie is not fully develop and the editing is all over the place. Lex Luthor using Zod is body to make Doomsday make zero sense when he should be making Bizzaro in spite of making Doomsday. In fact I thought he would have made both sense he had enough of Zod blood to make both Doomsday and Bizzaro. He did not actually had to use Zod is body to morph to make Doomsday when all he needs is the blood of Zod from my perspective, just saying. I may come back to this when after I have seen the movie to give my thoughts.

The hype train hasn't even departed yet. That was just an announcement.

It wasn't a trailer!!!!

No, I am 'pucking' you for hinging everything or the majority on stuff that was never there other than as a theory. Theories, I might add, that have nothing to do with anything unless Snyder himself made them. My point about the wood was that Superman's importance and the effect of his existence is what drives everything in the movie, it just doesn't hold your hand in order to tell it to you.

Yes, there he calls the part 'super-important' which it is because before Bruce looked at that photo, he and everyone in the audience were basically going around thinking that Superman is the first and only superhuman being there's been on this planet. Seeing Diana appear on that photo is the same level of importance as Nick Fury appearing in Starks living room at the end of the first Iron Man movie. A super important part does not mean super long. Read it on CBR quite a while back but I cant find it atm.

I would point out that atm you dont actually know Diana's backstory in any great amount of depth. Secondly I dont see why Batman brining the League together is such an odd concept when he is by far one of the most pragmatic characters in comics thats formed half a dozen teams on his own... just not the League.

I don't disagree with your analysis necessarily, but I can explain in one sentence why I'm not hyped for the JL film: 'It's not called JLA and it doesn't feature the original seven'.

@saintwildcard said:

Cus I'm a rebel

Seriously though nice blog. But TBH no matter how bad the prior films are no matter how bad it looks it's gonna be it's gonna be my most anticipated movie of all time. I mean I'm a hardcore DC fan. I grew up with Justice League, JLU and the DCAU. Finally after waiting so long we're getting a Justice League movie I'm going to end up loving it unless it's really REALLY bad.

Fair

I agree with the orginal seven part.

@staticdwanyemcduffie: u want martian manhunter now when humans are already scared of a human looking alien?

Way to use pop culture references and catch phrases to make your article seem relevant. Ultimately, is just whining.

@avatar_of_green: no its not. Its a blog /s

The first point especially captures my feelings. I dont get why people are getting so hyped over a cringeworthy trailer. There wasnt a single good joke in it.

It was all there, and it was in the trailers. Woah woah woah, don't take this "you just didn't get it" tone with me. It ain't my first rodeo and you ain't messing with some scrub. The trailer showed it, the movie badly handled it while giving us an unlikable mopey Superman (even MoS had some moments of joy for Christ sake), but they did it not just because of bad story telling but because they had to give Batman a ton of screen time despite how little his story moves the world forward. So all of Superman's storylines were jumbled up in a mess and crammed in.

That has to be...... the lamest "super important" reason for why the photo was important. Her being older isn't a "gateway" to the rest of the DCEU. I also didn't equate Super Long with Super Important. What I propose could have been done in the same amount of screen time and also shown that she's older... which seems to be important to you, but it would have made her more important and an actual gateway to the rest of the DCEU cus New Gods.

But we do, because we are told as such by the directors and producers. They know and they chose to give the role to entirely to the humans, as opposed to an established race that has dealt with Darkseid. Again, had this movie sent off Superman with some respect, I would have been fine with Batman making the JL (seriously dude, did you even read?). What I proposed makes Diana's more important, but makes them a team in which Batman is the guy who can find him with his skills. Short as it may be, the trailer we had made it seem like it all hinged on Bruce tracking them down and Diana is just there for the ride.

In a BvS edit I'm doing, I proposed that Lex had been actively trying to make clones for a long time (Superboy being an Easter egg). Doomsday was one of his failed attempts, but he proved hard to kill so they just have him in stasis. Bizarro being the most functional, so he uses him to frame Superman. Lex can do this, since he was the only one able to decipher how to use the Birthing Matrix.

It was pretty long for a teaser and it pretty much showed us what they are going to do. When it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck...

Way to debunk my complaints. Boy do I feel foolish, you truly have wrecked me sir

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and in case you didn't know, that was sarcasm.

I wonder who this guy will blame when mos2 suck and it will suck.

To be fair, I said I'm not excited for MoS 2 either.

Considering all the time and effort you put into this, OP, the irony of the title of your thread is impressive.

Hype comes in many forms.

Nerd. Youre just gonna complain about everything no matter what. Cause you will always think that you could do it better.

Batman is recruiting... Wonder WOman is just there. Superman will be dead for like half, that's for certain. So he'll either come back and save their asses, or be the villain. ONe's worse than the other, but that doesn't mean I care about the former either.

Some of the behaviour here is amateur. If you don't agree with OP, then fine. But the article is called "why I'm not hyped for Justice League" and not "why you shouldn't be hyped for Justice League." If you don't like, move on. If you care to dispute an argument made by OP, go ahead and dispel it. But don't react like he imposed his opinion you: you're the only one whose doing that. Especially those of you who resorted to name calling and belittling their argument.

Don't pretend like you haven't complained before. At least OP has something useful to say.

To be fair, BvS did not set the bar high and I think there are tons of leaked scripts that are better than what we got.

Yes I do.

Bruce knows about the other members before WOnder WOman, he is the one that wants to find them, he in the trailers is the one who goes to talk to them. WW might help him, but it seems to hinge majorly on Batman as opposed to it being a team effort.

Argue all you want, but you can't deny that my alternative isn't better than what we got for how to carry out the building of the JL. Especially considering how ham fisted the JL cameos were.

@saintwildcard: Sorry you feel that way man. If it helps, Chris terrio said this in an interview (a week or so before BvS was released):

"...At that moment, I thought, “I’m not done with this yet. I want to go back and keep telling the story.” “Batman v Superman” is a bit of an “Empire Strikes Back” or “Two Towers” or any similar middle film in a trilogy. The middle film tends to be the darkest one. I do think from “Man of Steel” through “Justice League,” it is one saga really.

I expect “Justice League” will be tonally not quite as dark as “Batman v Superman.” From that point of view, I felt compelled to go back and try to lift us and myself into a different tonal place because I think when you write a darker film, sometimes you want to redeem it all a bit."

So it seems the plan was to make JL a more uplifting film. I won't deny that the critical negative reception to BvS and the 'positive' trailer hype for Suicide Squad may have impacted the script to be even more light-hearted but at least making JL a lighter film wasn't - originally - reactionary. Also, regarding the JL trailer, it was more of a sizzle real than anything else. So there is time for you to still get hyped, especially if Wonder Woman is good.

I kinda agree but I have my own reasons of why I'm not that hyped. I've watched the trailer twice since it's dropped and I almost forgot it's coming out next year. I think the key is to managing expectations. I want it to be good but I also want others to like it as much I will. Granted, that can't be controlled but I think that's the key at the moment. BVS partly failed because everyone hyped it to be the second coming when IMO it was average or just above. My main reason that I'm not that hyped is because I'm not particularly invested with the characters. I like them all, but I like them based on what I know from their comic books. I haven't seen these characters, except for Wonder Woman and Bats, so I've got no idea what to expect. Plus, as a Superman fan, his role being relegated to what might be a glorified cameo is just disheartening. Ever since the beginning, Superman has always been a founding member, now he isn't. Sure things change but that's something I'd like to have kept the same.

But we shall see, I suppose. Anyway, nice write up Saint!

I'm probably not excited to watch JL either.

To me, it's because of Superman's death that the JL is being formed in the first place.

And you're going against what's shown and what was built up in Justice League.

Funny how you say I'm going against the facts, when the facts have also been said that the Amazons, Atlanteans and Early humans fought Darskeid and we have 3 motherboxes. Here;s the facts, Bruce knows something is coming, instead of the more fitting Wonder WOman since we know her people know about Darkseid. It would have been a better reason for her to come back to Man's world, rather than her tracking down a picture. That sir, is just good storytelling and proper planning. So, you gotta weigh your options and see which benefits the story and the characters more. That is something you can do, and something you know in your heart would have been cooler to see.

I would have been fine with this had BvS payed proper respect and been a true MoS follow up. Because in this movie, Batman was the bad guy. JL would have been the movie in which he gets more screen time and he would have redeemed himself. Then we get MoS 2 to fully dwelve into the Return aspect. Problem for me is now that MoS was the first part to Superman's origin and BvS was meant as the 2nd. But since it pucked up the second part so badly, I feel as uninterested and uninvested as I do when I read Birthright or Secret Origins. But more disappointed because the potential was there

In a Superman Animated Series map that I wrote a long time ago, that's actually kinda how I formed the JL in it.

I know, and I'm sure we've had this conversation before. I know the writers said that JL was meant to be more upbeat, but with the movie tanking critically. Johns being promoted above Snyder and the apology tour they had a while back, I'm sure there are some major changes in JL. I expect a 20% increase in fun.

Reason I'm not hyped is because Superman got screwed and now Batman is making the JL while Superman is a glorified cameo. That's not going to change. And I'm willing to bet that the story for JL will be straightforward as fook.

-Batman forms the JL

-You see team building and arguments

-They unite

-They barely manage to hold off

-Superman comes back

-They win

-Profit

BvS hinted and failed at more than just your standard Superhero flick. So I can't say I'm exited for JL if this ends up being the case, since it's a steep decline at what we could have gotten from BvS, and is just gonna be an other "fun" movie. It's not trying to be more than that..... but we'll see. I'm willing to bet cash that I'm right though

Ok

*nods*

YOU..,you're not hype for Justice League?!

...I...am...shocked

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good article im not hyped for the JL at all.

@saintwildcard: BvS hinted and failed at more than just your standard Superhero flick. So I can't say I'm exited for JL if this ends up being the case, since it's a steep decline at what we could have gotten from BvS, and is just gonna be an other "fun" movie. It's not trying to be more than that..... but we'll see. I'm willing to bet cash that I'm right though.

You might be right and I tend to agree that we won't see Superman until the last act of the movie. It really depends on how they bring Superman back for me. While I love BvS and the Superman death scene does tear me up, I can't deny that the DCEU blew their load too early. The best way to rectify that is to make Superman's return absolutely epic and heroic and to end the film with the trinity (more specifically batman and superman) making peace with each other. That's how I would end the movie anyway. Maybe we might get a world's finest movie sometime down the road too.

I totally understand your reasoning 100%. I have no faith in the JL movie but I am pretty excited for a batman movie and the wonder woman movie. I would also like to see a solo for Flash as well but we will see how things go. I gotta try and have faith in something.

Nobody is really hyped for the JL.

DC fanboys are in denial, but even them know the truth: this movie is gonna flop so hard.

BvS and Suicide Squad disappointed many people and DC properties generally fail in China.

The only thing that would have saved this movie is a new director, someone very famous and appreciated, like George Miller, JJ Abrams or Peter Jackson

Instead they confirmed Snyder and unfortunately for them, and most fortunate for us, the movie is doomed for failure and will come back around to bite them hard in the ass