SagaTheLegend

The bolded part might just be the d🟥🟥best argument I’ve heard in my entire time on this site, and ironic given marvel has some of the slowest high tiers in fiction.

1. You have to say ”without scaling” cause characters have been FTE to normal individuals since DB and even RoF has Goku and Freiza pre Golden/Blue being FTE to the Z fighters (who would blitz knull). Meanwhile despite being a huge symbiote fan myself I can’t recall any times Knull has moved FTE to anyone. Care to show me?

2. High tiers not being invisible to everyone they’re fighting around happens across fiction even with characters that are too fast for normal people, it all depends on what the story is trying to focus on. That’s not a valid anti feat, any more than high tiers not instantly destroying the planet when they’re cosmic level characters.

3. It’s literally a meme how slow marvel characters are, Gorr has been tagged by arrows and streets dance around high tiers every Friday. Hulk and Thor have been embarrassed by the likes of Spider-Man and wolverine in speed more times than you’ll ever be able to show Beerus being perceived by non combatants(Professor Hulk struggled with a “speedster” that’s only 300mph). The only speed feat that knull has above street level is travel speed via his dragons not even himself, while Beerus has MFTL feats for transversing the universe himself. Hypocrite much?

4. Lol, I could say how mindless of an argument this is as anime/manga/manwha extremely often have characters training via mundane exercises to attain great power(never seen this argument against Saitama or Jin Woo? Funny). But your argument is once again a gag episode where Beerus is just trying to distract Goku from fighting Monaka so he doesn’t get exposed for putting someone weak in the U6vU7 Tournament. He just gave Goku a random task that would take too long so he could get more time. That’s also NOT an “anti” anything for Beerus himself? Very interesting how in these threads people jump to bringing up low showings for people that aren’t in said thread and are often stronger than the characters with said “low” showing. But if I did the same for marvel I’m sure that would be an issue?

And no I threw the lava thing out just as a general statement, it’s why it’s at the end of my post.