@sachmoo said:
Batfleck loses 100% of the time but his evasive abilities make it semi difficult.
@jayc1324 said:
5/10.
If Batroc could challenge Cap in hand to hand Batman can too, except that Batman is also armored, physically superior to Batroc and has gadgets. And if this is taking place in Gotham City then stealth is a viable option as well. It's not as simple as Cap being physically superior giving him the win, he has to deal with gadgets and stealth as well. I would question if Batman could put Cap down but he has sharp weapons like batarangs and his batclaw that could work, and Batroc was able to knock him down with kicks
Batroc posed little to no challenge to Cap. That is also flawed logic. Even if he did pose a challenge to him, on what grounds can you accurately compare Batroc to Batman?
Batroc knocked Cap down and had him backing up for the first part of the fight. He also tanked a shield bash and wasn't knocked out after a kick from Cap. Given the length of their fight and Batroc putting him on the defensive I would say he was definitely a challenge. Batroc even landed more hits than Black Panther did, there is no way you can say he wasn't a challenge.
And Batman has better feats than Batroc.
I have broken down that fight multiple times on this site.
Batroc sneak attacks Cap and he blocks it. It deals some knock back and cap blocks his next attack that deals more knockback, again, due to Batroc being prepped and Cap not. Cap evades the next attack. While getting up Batroc lands 2 kicks then cap evades the next, then there is a neutral standoff. Then cap blocks 5 attacks (three punches and 2 kicks) evades a kick and counters with a push all within 3 seconds. Then we have another neutral standoff. Then Cap blocks 5 attacks, evades 1, blocks 2, evades another then blocks another and counters with 3 knee strikes and throws him. We have another neutral standoff where it is implied that Cap has basically just been sandbagging and fighting defensively. He clearly then gets aggressive, he blocks another attack and throws a punch that Batroc blocks and throws a kick that lands but does nothing. Cap evades a punch and lands a punch that knocks batroc back. He then counters a kick with a kick of his own, kicks batroc again, then does a spinning kick which knocks him down. Then Cap rushes him and KOs him with a punch.
In total, Cap blocked 16 attacks, evaded 6, countered 3 and got hit 3 times. He only got hit 1 time when it wasn't a clear advantage for Batroc via Sneak attack.
Cap threw 7 attacks and landed 6 before it was over and half of those were while he was sandbagging.
One guy went 3-28, the other went 6-7. The only way anyone could say that was a 'challenge' would be if they completely ignored the context of the fight.
Aside from that, i know Batman has more feats. Batroc has that one fight and thats it. You really cant accurately compare Batroc to many people for that very reason.
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