@sabbavsk said:
@ecstaticgrace said:
@sabbavsk said:
She literally screamed in agony when Thor fired a single lightning bolt at her. If Thor hadn't stopped and continued the assault, I'm pretty sure that Carol would most likely have died on the spot without even turning to Binary.
She’s been able to absorb a large amount the Phoenix Force before without dying I don’t see how Thor’s lightning would of killed her. That was also a pretty big bolt.
She recently also beam struggled with cosmic Ghost Rider and was stated to have enough energy output to put a hole in a star.
Edit: Also all she did was scream she didn’t have any physical damage to show for it after Thor hit her with lightning.
Are you referring to Secret Avengers #28? If so, Carol really didn't absorb "a large amount" of anything, she barely managed to redirect the flames of hostless Phoenix through portal after negating its mass, and was driven unconscious from a single blast before finshing the process.
Come to think about it, Thor has a greater damage output than hostless Phoenix Force. To make a direct contrast, he could physically overcome Phoenix empowered Mar-vell issue later, was able to knock out Phoenix Force with a single shot in the AvX event (albeit for a moment, but still) and as we already know, his lightning is much more potent than a mere hammer blow.
Carol has been hurt by lesser energy-based attacks, for example, during Bendis' New Avengers she flew through the Collective and was instantly overwhelmed by his energies. Her recent fight against CGR was pretty neat, although putting a hole in a star is a baseless statement much like this. Needless to say, non-holding back Thor would quickly edge out against her.
Really I remember that same hostless Phoenix causing Thor to be knocked out too even putting him in a coma. As well as resulting in his bandaged appearance. So that’s questionable, I’ll probably back check the history between Phoenix and Thor though. despite even though a fifth of it in a host has shown to be too much for Thor.
to redirect the Phoenix she had to absorb it so Thor could redirect it. This was also a weaker Carol, op says current Carol. It basically became an energy battle and ofcourse the Phoenix beat Carol who couldn’t forcefully absorb all of it.
I agree the Cosmic GR is impressive. She also did pretty well against GR (Reyes) who contended with Thor, and defeated Sindr who it took Jane Thor and War-Thor to beat, and all that stuff is current Carol. If we‘re ignoring her current victories against team 2 here.
Could you post the Collective thing?
Edit: Nvm the Collective was basically Amazo he adapted to every situation he was put on and had a long running fight with The Sentry really isn’t a bad showing.
Thor was put in a coma after encountering The Phoenix that was possibly at best knocked out for a second or two if even that.
Also standard Thor vs Phoenix hostless Or not is a mismatch in Phoenix favor.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, in the same series, after already being beaten to a pulp, Phoenix empowered Mar-Vell had to use Thor's own lightning bolt on him to pull off a win. Other than that, Thor's lightning has been shown to one-shot him on a number of occasions, indicating that his damage output far exceeds durability, therefore, Phoenix putting him in a coma is a moot point. By the way, I've never claimed that Thor could beat Phoenix on his own, but it's obviously consistent for him to harm it significantly as showcased against P5 Emma and hostless Phoenix in AvX event. You were the one who brought up Carol's feat. It's ambiguous at best, and I don't see how it proves your point at all, because she could hardly perform it, and had to get rid of consumed energy as soon as possible.
I mentioned the Collective vs Binary to make a stark contrast with Phoenix instance. I mean, the Collective is what, herald-level guy with 50 different fodder mutant abilities, who fought agoraphobic Sentry to standstill and BFRed him, whereas Thor has taken on Void-Sentry without going down. If Carol really had the potential to absorb a good amount of Phoenix energies, she wouldn't have been overwhelmed right after flying through the Collective. Glad to see Carol getting more and more better feats, she's easily one of my favorite characters, but she still doesn't have what it takes to beat bloodlusted, consistent Thor in a one-on-one situation without the plot-induced shenanigans.
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