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@olorun said:

@just_sayin: ?????? This is makes no sense. Who are we aiming it @?? Just criminals? Like "yh criminals stop attacking black people"?? This is dumb criminals are not under blm realm of influence.

Sure they are. They follow a criminal, after all. You know, the black chick who created BLM, who happens to be a cop killer... I mean, that right there is influence...

And by odd coincidence both recent "martyrs" of BLM, Floyd and Brooks, were convicted criminals as well.

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@dernman: Look on this stream of un-consciousness from Olorun, lol.
Looks like i really touched a nerve there with truth about his poor psychological state.

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@olorun: You know, i thought about what the hell is wrong with you. At first it was unexplainable, but then i get it. Absolute lack of self-confidence... This constant demands of empathy, of pity from others... Belief that you are not responsible for your own life... Fear of authorities, of police... Paranoidal expectation of discrimination from everywhere... You don't actually believe that you are free. Deep within you feel like you are still a slave and expect that your master will come back with police to punish you.

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@olorun said:

@rubear: you actually know your history? You literally said white supremacy wasn't a thing in America. To say black people have suffered systematic discrimination while white people didn't is not a lie its not a myth. Lmao this is literally what you don't get, black people have a harder time in life due to racism this very clearly affects them in ways that give them a defeatist attitude of not wanting to be compelled.

The myth of "institutionalised racism" today is what is giving your people a defeatist attitude and keeps people in ghetto where live conditions sucks and creates racisal tensions between you and white people. Because live conditions in ghetto sucks and because of gang culture that makes people think that thugs are cool, people are more likely to commit a crime and this in turn makes them more likely to get attention of police. This in turn makes you believe that "systematic discrimination" of a kind of Jim Crow laws (laws enacted by the very same democratic party your people are voting for) is still a thing. But you are unable to see how it all comes back to your delusion about existing "institutionalised racism", to your defeatist attitude and to your criminal activity as well. Because notion of responsibility is alien to you, Olorun. You still believe that you are not a subject of your own history, that others decide it for you. And you will not be a subject, at least not a subject-creator instead of subject-destroyer, untill you will stop blaming all your problems on a racist myth.

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@olorun said:

@rubear: you actually don't know what white supremacy is and and yet you still refute if it ever existed, I'm astounded. This comparison is null since black people are still heavily discriminated and have more disadvantages, but go on about your irrelevant Russian history. You're literally saying something that doesn't effect you today is equal to the current day racism.

Unlike you i actually know my history and do not suffer from inferiority complex. Unlike you i believe that i am responsible for my decisions and for my mistakes as well and not some imaginary conpiracy. And you know, many black people in US seem to think the same way, that they are responsible for their lives. People like late David Dorn (77 years old retired police captain and respected man) who was murdered by robbers during recent riots. And such people do not languish in ghettos... So probably not suffering from a mentalty of an victim and not blaming white other people in your problem can help with having a better life? Well, having at least untill some idiots would start burning the city to avenge death of a recidivist criminal.

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@rubear: it's not because you don't care about race that it doesn't play a huge factor in people's lives. You don't empathise with the struggles people of certain races go through.

Chinese people once thought that China is Middle Kingdom, center of the world. Then came so-called Opium Wars and century of humiliation with constant losses and civil wars. Do chinese people moan today about "white superiority"? Nope. They take their proper place in the world by good work and virtue of making their once fractured state into arguably first economy of the world. Mongols once razed cities of Rus and for arguably 2 and half hundred years russian kingdoms were vassals of tatarian (people born from mixing of mongols with local tribes) khanates and were paying tribute to them, while those who refused to pay were suffering from horrible raids. But during this hundreds years russians prepared and grew stronger. Untill by the time of king Ivan III russians became strong enough to tell tatars to go the hell off with their demands in 1480. In 1552 king Ivan IV conquered Kazan khanate, in 1554-1556 he conquered Astrakhan khanate, in 1581 russian cossacs conquered Syberian khanate for him. Of all near shards of former mongol empire only Crimean khanate, protectorate of Ottoman empire, he did not conquer. But it was conquered later in 1782-1783. Do russians have grudges against tatars because of time under so-called yoke in past? Nope. Of course there is a difference betwen this cases and case of your people. Namely that your slavery ended not because of your revolt, but because of political struggle in US, because of movement of white abolationists... but not because of you. You were not subjects of your own history. Probably that is the reason why you feel youserlf... inferior, Olorun, and believe in "white superiority" unlike actual white people.

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@rubear: lmao this "I don't see color" bs? You're not even serious rn. You're saying culture doesn't exist(for white people maybe) and you're denying the struggles very many black people go through simply because they're black. You're trolling rn don't @ me.

Oh, i'm absolutley serious. I don't care about color, i care about personality and about if human in question is a law-abiding citizen. Also i generously accept your capitulation in our little debate, if a conversation where i have arguments and facts to support my position, while you have only your racial grudge can be called a debate of 'course.

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@olorun: We don't have any ghettos out there, genius. But i know some people black people not from gettos, including one quite nice woman. And i consider them to be my equals in all ways, just like i consider asians and etc. In fact (unlike you) i do not think about skin colour or eye shape as core part of identity. Perhaps i think about it in case of women as about curious, but attractive feature, but it's just that. Let me tell you something about stereotypes. There is a stereotype about russians and communists, for example. I saw how one man recently literally called russians and russians from the times of Napoleonic wars, from the times of 1812, bolsheviks. Whole party of bolshevism became a thing only 1903. This surely is a stereotype. But this stereotype came into being because in USSR there were quite lot of russian communists. There is a stereotype about russians and gopniks, ye know, squating bandits in Adidas, probably drunk as well. That surely is a stereotype... but this stereotype came into being because in 90-th years there was quite lot of gopniks in Russia because of collapse of society. You see what i am talking about? So if you have a lot of people who like gangsta rap about thug life around, if you have a lot of gangs in hoods, if you also have even more people around who are actually not from gangs, but act like they are, talk like they are, dress like they are... Just what image of black people from ghettos it can create, hm?

Palestinians are white people, lol. Back then judaism was a religion of people from Israel, jews, and a religion legal in time of roman empire and Israel as a state was a protectorate of Rome. They even had their own king, Herod. And i repeat, jews thought that Jesus was like "Son of Davis", legendary jewish king, promised legitime inheritor of throne. So... he was clearly caucasian aka white, with tanned skin like average man from Middle East today, most likely dark hairs and possibly brown eyes. This is a description that fits, you know, italians as well who you surely consider white european people. He could also have blue eyes and blonde hairs as well.

The Middle East is located in the middle of, and forms part of, THREE CONTINENTS: Africa, Asia, and Europe. It is the place where so much travel, immigration, and trade took place. For this reason, Middle Easterners are biologically very diverse. It is a stereotype that they all have olive-toned skin, black eyes, and black hair, but in fact, many have very light skin, brown or blonde hair, and blue or green eyes.

It's not that rare as you with your narrow racial stereotypes may think on Middle East at all. But in the end we are talking about not even icons, but statues. And statues don't have blue or green eyes at all. They have stone eyes, you know. Of the same colour as rest of statues. So just how the hell statue of crucified jewish man who tought people that all lives matter is a symbol of any superiority?

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@olorun:

Oh, i'm not saying that "black culture" means "being thugs", but ghetto culture at least partly is about "being thugs". And that you are making for yourself this image with rap, gang violence (gang as in gangster, not in gang bang) and etc. Media isn't making it, it's just using it. You are making it. But looks like conception of responsibility is something alien to you, it's always fault of somebody else, isn't it?
Oh, judaism is not just a religion. It's national religion and part of national identity and palestinians? They are not jews. They are arabs. But you know funny thing? They also look white, not black or asian. White. And wanna know even more funny thing? According to Bible jews initially thought that Jesus is their promised king, "Son of David", so... he clearly looked like an average jew, not like falash or indian. Like a jew. And that's how he is usually depicted. Well, unless we are talking about smaller national churches like ethiopian one. They depict him as member of their nation.

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@olorun said:

@thekillerklok: A black person in media is always portrayed as a thug...

> Maintain a subculture with, say, rappers talking about "cool" "thug life", "gangsta" and etc, etc.
> Have a huge problem with gang violence in black communities...
I wonder just why "black persons" are oftenly portrayed as a thugs.
Oh, and btw, Jesus was jew. And jews are white.