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@www2cv said:

@rpottage said:

@www2cv said:

@rpottage said:

Darla.

The Justice League movie didn't do justice to the Flash. Really it didn't do justice to any of the non-Superman characters IMO. With the Flash we see he's fast, but I seem to remember him tripping. And we saw with the Superman fight he doesn't really react all that well when he sees someone else as fast as him.

Darla seemed to just as fast as Barry, and potentially faster. But she seemed more natural with her speed, picking it up quickly and not tripping. And she still has the durability, strength, and other powers that Billy has.

Plus she's a good sister.

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Yeah, your superman clip kinda proved my point. Barry is absolutely stunned when Supes turns his head; and subsequently spends the entire fight tripping and flailing trying to get out of the way.

And the other clips just show that A) he's not fast enough to beat the camera, and B) things that are falling a moderately short height will keep falling while he's running. He's fast, but not turning falling objects to statues fast.

So you're calling the God King who is DCEU Supes slow then? Do you honestly believe that she could turn DCEUSUPERMAN into a statue? You must not recall how they just threw every feat they could think of at Superman and then just had him surpass it no diff.

I'm saying the Flash is about as fast as Darla, and as depicted may be a bit slower. But even if he's the same speed, he suffers from a severe inability to actually fight opponents with similar speed.

I do remember that about Superman. Him making every other character look like a chump is one of the reasons the movie is so bad; it's also why the Flash loses when if he had been portrayed correctly he'd have a much better chance.

Thor took him out. The Grandmaster had to use his disk to knock Thor out because he was defeating Hulk, and Grandmaster didn't want that.

You're making the Banner thing up. There was no evidence he was about to turn back; and there's no evidence that if he were that would matter. Hulk was still in Hulk mode, and got knocked out. Just like he did when he fell from the Helicarrier.

@www2cv said:

@rpottage said:

Darla.

The Justice League movie didn't do justice to the Flash. Really it didn't do justice to any of the non-Superman characters IMO. With the Flash we see he's fast, but I seem to remember him tripping. And we saw with the Superman fight he doesn't really react all that well when he sees someone else as fast as him.

Darla seemed to just as fast as Barry, and potentially faster. But she seemed more natural with her speed, picking it up quickly and not tripping. And she still has the durability, strength, and other powers that Billy has.

Plus she's a good sister.

Uh

https://streamable.com/1o0kt

https://gfycat.com/filthyhatefulanemoneshrimp

https://gfycat.com/oldfashionedpreciousbarracuda

Yeah, your superman clip kinda proved my point. Barry is absolutely stunned when Supes turns his head; and subsequently spends the entire fight tripping and flailing trying to get out of the way.

And the other clips just show that A) he's not fast enough to beat the camera, and B) things that are falling a moderately short height will keep falling while he's running. He's fast, but not turning falling objects to statues fast.

Carol and Thor win.

None of the other Avengers would really be an issue for the Shazam family, even the Hulk isn't really an issue for them.

But Thor and Carol are a different matter. They both have much higher feats of strength and durability; so while the Shazam family are faster they don't have enough feats to say they're strong or durable enough.

Carol in particular is a problem. After she awakens her powers; Carol shrugs off everything. There was 0 tension in the end of her movie for me, because nothing anyone did even really phased her. She was just so far out of their league; and she ends it by gabbing a world destroying missile, throwing it at other missiles; then flying through the explosion; and then flying through one of the ships that launched that missile.

That's a serious feat of both strength and durability. Billy, meanwhile, has nothing like that. We know he can shrug off being hit by a truck and can catch a bus like a beach ball; but beyond that all his feats are fighting Silvana, who also has no quantifiable feats.

So Carol should seriously be able to solo the entire Shazam family right now. The only reason she wouldn't win is because the Shazam family, Darla in particular, seem much faster than Carol when it comes to combat speed and speed on the earth. But the Family can't win based on that; they at best could stalemate through evasion and running away.

So the Avengers win; but I'd argue only Thor and Carol. Everyone else on their side is basically useless.

Superman.

The problem is we don't see any high-end feats for Billy. All his feats are either smaller things as he accidentally discovers his power; or they're unquantifiable. The same thing is true of Silvana. So all we can go off of is the few feats we do see. Durability wise we know he can shrug off being hit by a truck, and strength wise he can catch a bus like a beach ball. But that's it. He does them easily, so we know he's stronger and more durable than that; but we don't know how much.

Whereas with Superman he's got things like the Oil Rig feat.

In addition Billy and Silvana don't have the same fight that Zod and Superman did. They're not out destroying buildings and wrecking cities. It's a self-contained fight mostly; so we don't even have those feats. Arguable it makes Billy the better hero, but it reduces his durability feats and makes him harder to gauge.

Shazam.


It's a tough call though. The Hulk, in the earlier movies, has more feats of strength and durability that are quantifiable. The newer movies cause some questions for that though, particularly Infinity War, because he's become subject to the Worf Effect.

Hulk only really has strength and durability though; and his durability is questionable. In Avengers he was taken out by falling to earth. In Age of Ultron he was taken out by the Hulkbuster, a suit. In Ragnarok he was taken out by a weakened Thor. And in Infinity war he was decimated by Thanos without using any stones; while Thanos later went on to face greater opposition against weaker foes like Ironman and Captain America.

Billy meanwhile doesn't have much in the way of strength or durability feats. We're told that only magic can harm him, so theoretically Hulk wouldn't stand a chance; but I think that was hyperbole. What we see is him shrug off being hit by cars/trucks, shrug off bullet, him punching through concrete, and him catching a bus. And none of those things tax him, so they don't tell us his limits. Beyond that all his feats are in regards to Silvana, who has no feats of his own. So we know they're strong and durable; but we have no way of gauging how strong or durable really.

We do know, however, that Billy has powers Hulk doesn't have. He has far greater speed, can shoot lightning from his hands, and can fly.

We know that the lightning in particular could cause issues for Hulk, because of Thor Ragnarok. So Billy should win. If his strength can't put Hulk down, Billy's smart enough that he would use lightning from his hands to do it.


Both characters are seriously underpowered compared to the comics though. I think in the future we'll see BIlly be more powerful as we see him alongside Superman/Wonder Woman/Aquaman (That's assuming they do another Justice League Movie) since Billy's supposed to be on Superman's level. While I don't think we'll ever see Hulk get the justice he deserves because I think Endgame is probably the last time we'll see him.

Darla.

The Justice League movie didn't do justice to the Flash. Really it didn't do justice to any of the non-Superman characters IMO. With the Flash we see he's fast, but I seem to remember him tripping. And we saw with the Superman fight he doesn't really react all that well when he sees someone else as fast as him.

Darla seemed to just as fast as Barry, and potentially faster. But she seemed more natural with her speed, picking it up quickly and not tripping. And she still has the durability, strength, and other powers that Billy has.

Plus she's a good sister.

Superman wins.

The nerf does take away two major factors from him, but it's not enough.

The problem is I don't think Thor can solo, certainly not without some sort of weapon. Meanwhile Thanos is basically featless. The first time we see him in action, he already has the power stone. And the only time we see him fight and know he's not using stones, is his fight against Hulk. Unfortunately that doesn't help much since A) at his height Hulk still isn't a match for Superman, and B) by this point Hulk has been defeated by a nerfed Thor, as well as a Stark Suit of Armour, as well as falling from a plane in the first Avengers movie.
Basically, Hulk suffers from the Word effect by this point, so we don't have a good gauge for Thanos which means we can't really include him as being a significant factor.

WW1 and WW2 Team win.

The numbers advantage is huge, but honestly it really comes down to the airforce. With no air support for the U.S., they're really handcuffed. Modern day national defence isn't based on the army, it's based on the airforce. This is especially true in the U.S. where they have no actual threat of a ground forces attack. With so much land to cover and airspace to defend, the defence model is to use aircraft as they can cover a large area quickly.

In addition missiles are considered air support (even if they're launched from the ground or ships, a missile strike is still considered an aerial attack); which means they can't be use in this. Even if we assume this doesn't include Anti-Aircraft weaponry, the U.S. only has such weapons in specific places; and has no idea where the attacks are coming from.

Thus, despite the large technological disparity; the mass of WW2 Bomber Aircraft would lay havoc to the nation. America alone produced just under 100 000 bomber aircraft during WW2, so when you add in the other nations you're easily looking at hundreds of thousands of bombers; and you've taken away the U.S.' primary air defence and nuclear deterrent. The U.S. would be able to see the bombers coming, but would have no way to stop them.

Fox; might even be a stomp.

DCEU just gets slaughtered.