@uberhikari: Let me start off by saying that I genuinely wanted to know what I did wrong, this "Besides that Magneto thing, which I admitted to being wrong on, what else have I gotten wrong? I'd really like to know so that going forward I don't have to put up with this silly nitpicking." was more for my education than anything. I didn't mean to deny my wrongness in any way, I'm new to this and I'm sure I made mistakes, as you pointed out.
What I meant by "Serpico is a norma human" is that he has no concrete powers. Yes, he has the gear, agility, speed and dexterity to be considered absolutely superhuman by our, and Marvel's standards. I merely meant that he isn't considered superpowered in the Berserkverse, despite his immense skill.
I may be wrong, but I don't recall the Dragon Slayer ever being shown do damage the souls or astral bodies of Humans, although I do realize that it has an affect on the Astral body of demons, and the two possibly overlap, I just have no knowledge of that. Perhaps the reason I don't remember any showings in which the Dragon Slayer's cursed nature harming human's astral bodies is because most of Guts' opponents in the period of time which he has had the blade have been demonic in nature, and when there are human assailants, they are usually one-shotted. If anyone would be so kind as to show a scan or two of a human being harmed on the Astral Plane by the DS, I would appreciate it.
I never claimed that Logan couldn't be knocked out. The scans of him standing on the surface of the sun were meant to be a testament to his healing factor. My intention was to point out that Logan couldn't be knocked unconsious due to blood loss or any other laceration related KOs. I'm absolutely sure that with Guts' strength, a blow to the side of the head with the Dragon slayer would give Logan a concussion to be remembered, and certainly knock him the F$%& out for a win, it's just a matter of landing that blow.
As for the Experience argument, Wolverine is extremely old and has fought in many wars and trained with a lot of people. That being said, I also realize that Guts has well over a decade of battlefield experience, and also has mastered carry a blade much larger than him. As I recall, he has used a blade of the DS's size (to scale, obviously he wasn't wielding an 8 foot blade at age 8) since he was in single digits of age. I'm really not trying to lowball Guts here, I like him as a character and I fully acknowledge his feats, I really don't think Logan could have beaten the Sea God or a select few of the Apostle's Guts has fought recently. I just thought that Logan's age indicated his experience, and since he is so many years Guts' elder, he would have more battle experience with a variety of foes.
When I referred to Guts' interactions and combat with the God Hand, I was more referring to his two (three?) tangles with Griffith/Femto. Thus far he hasn't had the ability to harm Femto due to Femto's ability to stop Gut's charges using telekinesis. As for his fight with Troll Intestine Slan, I never really saw this a a great victory. Despite Guts successfully dissipating Slan's Troll body, and affecting her on the Astral Plane, as she disappears she is cackling, I never really thought she was very seriously wounded. But, you're right, that fact that I flat out stated that he couldn't harm the God Hand isn't correct by any stretch. The Gad Hand do, howver, have the means to repel him, as Femto has shown on two or three occasions, by forcing him back with telekinesis, although Guts has come very close using pure willpower to overcome the forces pushing on him and the pain of the brand.
Regarding Logan resistance to TP, I was referencing a scan I saw of Jean Grey struggling/failing to subdue Logan using TP, perhaps extreme was the wrong word. In this sequence, however, I failed to identify the difference between an Astral/Spiritual attack and a Telepathic attack, but I was not trying to compare the brand to telepathy. I meant to imply that if Wolverine could resist telepathic attacks, he could withstand the spiritual injury cause by the Dragon Slayer, if it affects humans.
I never meant to imply that Logan couldn't be Knocked out, I'm well aware that he can, and has been KO'd. In the future I will attempt to be clearer as to what I am referencing and how it related to the fight. I wasn't aware that it was accepted as fact the Wolverine cannot die at all, but that's just a testament to my limited knowledge of the forum itself and Wolverine's history.
I don't feel that I have embarrassed myself in this thread, although I did overestimate one of the competitors and short sell the other I suppose. I don't really feel the need for sympathy from you, I just wanted to know what I did wrong in this thread so that I could not make the same mistakes in the future, and now I know, this has been a learning experience for me.
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