ChrisAngel

I dont even want to think about Colossus right now.....its bad enough he's whiny in the first place, but then you give him the power of the Juggernaut, and make him whine more, but make him a super-destructive whiner. NOW you stack the Phoenix force on top of that. Jesus.

My prticular question would be how - through everything you know the man has committed, how entirely two faced he can be,the simple facts that the man can turn on an ally in the blink of an eye, how you can continue to trust Gambler? What is it that makes you continue to hold such an unflappable faith in the man, in the face of undeniable guilt?

@infonation: In some particular cases that's probably the case. But I cant begrudge him being in a story where he does acatually have a reason to be there, and an actual stake in the game. And also, it may look like he doesnt belong in a particular story, but Im not privy to knowing what a particualr writer at that time has in store. what his mind is. And for the moment... that's their character, Some people have no business WRITING for Wolvie, as an aftrrthought.

I still do not understand why people keep bagging on Wolverine. You know he's Marvel's cash cow, you may not like him, others (like me!) do. I WANT more Wolverine. if you dont like him, dont pick up the book.

@DarthShap said:

@ChrisAngel said:

@Mbecks14:I think that your going to find in this medium thst there's going to be a point where a 'hero' is going to be placed where they will NEED to kill. They won't like it, it'll definitely not run cotto with their own personal beliefs. But it will come down to that particualr fork in the road. Why? The villains make themselves into such a relentless force that simply bringing them in to 'justice' WIL SIMPLY NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH. What's 'just' about capturing a professed mass murderer and keeping him in custody, only to have him escape and have the ability to kill again? No. You put him down, like you would a rabid animal thats a threat. My hurt your feelings doing it....but it needs to be DONE. Killing may be retribution. Killing may be vengence.. Killing may indeed not be 'justice', but killing can indeed be JUSTIFIED.:

Again, they are fictional characters. They do not "have to do" anything. If they happen to kill someone, it is because a writer thought it would be a good idea to put them in this situation and 99% of the time, it really was not.

Ah, but therein lies the rub. They ar fictional characters, and therefor neither limiteed to or simply constrained by the whims of reality. Yet you want to CONVEY a semblance of such at times. And in real life, people KILL. I want to see a character with fallibilties. Not necessarily a goody-two-shoes that takes the moral high road at every opportunity and who looks down on everyone else because they don't hold to his particular moral code. that's what makes the comic medium last as long as it has. If everyone was always nice, every simple story would be similar. There'd be no progress. the books would be BORING.

@Mbecks14 said:

@DarthShap said:

This question includes none of of those debates. The question is about what writers should be doing concerning killing in super-heroes teams.

It does not matter what killing is in real life. This is not real life.

Of course in real life, it can be necessary to kill someone at times but that is not the point at all.

I personally believe that superheroes should not kill because it just is not what superheroes do, that is what vigilantes do, not superheroes, and they should never "need" to kill someone.

Putting them in a situation where "there is no alternative" to killing is bad writing in my mind. Just like his characters, a writer never "has to" do anything. If the hero kills, half the time, it serves as bad character development and the other half, it is being done as if it was nothing, just to look cool.

Saying "there is no alternative" for a hero of fiction is meaningless. It is like saying "Batman had to play hockey in Batman & Robin because the floor of that museum was icy, the diamond was on the floor and the villains had sticks!". ^^

This is beautiful. Hang this on a wall and frame it! <3

@ChrisAngel said:

@Mbecks14 said:

If a superhero is going to stand for Justice, then they shouldn't kill.

I diagree. If you call yourself a hero, then you can't stand by and wallow in a sense of sentimentality. I believe that you have to work by situation. If the situationt desn't require lethal force, you subdue. If you know you're going into a situation where you know that there's going to be no way out of the situation without killing, and that the only way you're going to put a resolute, PERMANENT end to the situation is by taking the perp out, you'd better damned well be prepared to get bloody or YOU die. Plain and simple.

My point was, I think a true hero, especially one in the realm of fiction, should rise above the need to kill. Killing isn't justice. It's never ever ever justice. Killing is retribution or vengeance.

Obviously in reality there are times when killing is necessary but that doesn't mean it's a heroic act to kill. The ramifications may be positive but killing is not.

@Mbecks14:I think that your going to find in this medium thst there's going to be a point where a 'hero' is going to be placed where they will NEED to kill. They won't like it, it'll definitely not run cotto with their own personal beliefs. But it will come down to that particualr fork in the road. Why? The villains make themselves into such a relentless force that simply bringing them in to 'justice' WIL SIMPLY NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH. What's 'just' about capturing a professed mass murderer and keeping him in custody, only to have him escape and have the ability to kill again? No. You put him down, like you would a rabid animal thats a threat. My hurt your feelings doing it....but it needs to be DONE. Killing may be retribution. Killing may be vengence.. Killing may indeed not be 'justice', but killing can indeed be JUSTIFIED.:

@Mbecks14 said:

If a superhero is going to stand for Justice, then they shouldn't kill.

I diagree. If you call yourself a hero, then you can't stand by and wallow in a sense of sentimentality. I believe that you have to work by situation. If the situationt desn't require lethal force, you subdue. If you know you're going into a situation where you know that there's going to be no way out of the situation without killing, and that the only way you're going to put a resolute, PERMANENT end to the situation is by taking the perp out, you'd better damned well be prepared to get bloody or YOU die. Plain and simple.

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IMHO it's much to early to even be thinking about anything Civil War related in the next Avengers movie. Third movie maybe. BUt now much too early.besides, then we have to do the tie in with Spidey (which wouldnt be an entirely bad idea if you ask me, but at the same time you might wanna give Garfield a bit more time too to get used to the role as well.

If it's a mental war, toe to toe for a time, till one breaks mentally.

Straight up power war, and I choose to use the Brand on her? She's MEAT.

Your character vs. Nova

Im not going to be ashamed that the first thing i'd do to the X-Men linuups before anything else.. and it's probably the no-no that'll get me boos and catcalls... but im killing Cyclops. DEAD. No hope of return.