Revold

It's rather consistent because:

1. Slicing/moving the moon <<< moon level. I put Toneri at country level with Juubito.

2. Naruto concentrated his kyuubi chakra into his arm only, leaving his body vulnerable. The only reasonable explanation is that it amps his durability, allowing him to tank such a great attack.

3. Naruto probably has more kyuubi chakra than war arc with both kuramas.

Mel > Zel, therefore DK Mel > DK Zel.

Not just Purgatory Ban, Purgatory Mel himself is far weaker than DK Mel because he IS Purgatory Mel + 50% DK. So I don't see how 2nd form DK > BASE Purgatory Mel is suppose to prove that 3rd form DK > Purgatory AM Mel, let alone equal to DK Mel.

It's like saying if 2nd form Hendrickson is superior to base Meli, then 3rd form Hendrickson is equal to AM Meli/The One. The logic simply doesn't add up.

Sunshine flowing through Mael's body is the sole reason why he could melt Zeldris' sword but The One Escanor couldn't. The One Escanor is likely still superior in pure strength. But then again, Mael is likely superior if he's at noon too.

Not a fair comparison. Because that Escanor wasn't amped by any sun at all due to Chandler's Darkness. He was only using the energy stored in Rhitta at that time.

Because the only Demon King he fought was DK Meliodas, so he's likely thinking about him when saying this. However, DK Zeldris is evidently far inferior to DK Mel and the original DK.

Some might think otherwise from being misled by this scan. But if you read carefully, "former power" refers to the time before he got thrown into Purgatory, which is just 50% of his prime. And he never said he was stronger than that. He just said he's equal to that, but physically younger.

I agree that his life force did amp him, but I disagree that it amped him to the point on par with the strongest version of Demon King. Unless you have a really good reason or evidence to support this, this is highly unlikely and almost absurd.

If you watch the fight carefully, DK Mel destroyed Ban effortlessly at the start and during the time Meliodas gave up fighting. The only times Ban was able to fight back were literally the same times Meliodas was fighting back.

Meanwhile Zeldris wasn't fighting back almost the whole time, not to mention the magic lake. So even if DK Zeldris were winning under this conditions doesn't prove anything, because DK Meliodas would've done the same, maybe even better.

On the other hand, FP King is ok but if Ban is getting demolished, adding him is not going to change the tides. Escanor at that time is basically non-factor. Ban's sacred treasure has only shown to destroy many many fodders, but no evidence of how effective against a boss fight. So for all we know, if DK Zeldris is really stronger than DK Mel, he shouldn't be struggling at all but for some reason he did almost the whole time. Even Diane was smacking him around.

Let me remind you that DK Zeldris > DK Mel is completely against all lore and logic. Because by lore DK specifically chose Meliodas to be DK despite Zeldris right in front of him. And Zeldris is way weaker than Meliodas before absorbing the 10C so why would anything change after?

Britannia was the collateral damage... meaning that's DC not AP. Plus even if it's any bigger than Britannia, they would still say the same thing because Britannia is the entire setting of the story already.

And also, the Meliodas who contributed to that attack was only Assault Mode. Not the True Magic/Destroyer form at his peak.

But even for AM, he subjugated Zeldris with God. The same Zeldris who, half dying, nullified DK's consecutive nukes, was powerless against AM Meli pre-purgatory.

Decent compilation but nothing I've not seen before. But there are some overlap on the evidence origins. For example, Sasuke's suspicion of "a threat greater than Kaguya" actually comes from learning the fact that Kaguya was preparing a White Zetsu army.

Let's think from Kaguya's perspective: we know for a fact that she betrayed the entire clan, not just Momo and Kin. She doesn't know who will find her first. It could be the pair, it could have been someone else. In fact, it could have been no one. But she warns for the possible invasion of Otsutsukis, including the pair. Logically speaking, it is extremely unlikely for her to warn only about the pair, which none of your scans has actually proved this.

From Sasuke's perspective, since the pair was the ones who ended up finding them, he mentions the pair as the possible invaders that Kaguya warned about. Which is 100% true, but that still doesn't mean that Kaguya has prepared the army solely for the possibility of them showing up, but not the possibility of any other Otsutsuki showing up.

I don't know why you think that I need to wait for some next Otsutsuki invasion to prove the possibility of other Otsutsukis invading. Because that's not the point. Kaguya didn't know who will invade so she will prepare her army regardless if Momo > Kaguya or not. Even if no other Otsutsuki will ever happen to invade, that still doesn't discount the possibility of that happening especially from Kaguya's perspective.

It's not my fault that you made such an absurd claim that it is impossible that any other Otsutsuki could show up instead of the pair. Don't complain to me that it is impossible to prove as if I am the one making an unreasonable demand. And I did read your whole post, but like I said we can't continue if you don't think that you are the one who should be doing your evidence justice.

Not true. It is your job to prove that no Otsutsuki will ever come after Momo and Kin. Or at least, prove that Kaguya THINKS that. Or else, all of these evidences you've painfully provided will not be enough to prove that Momo > Kaguya, would it?

On the contrary, I don't have to prove that my "headcanon" is definitely true. Why? Because I'm not the one using this as my argument. I just need to tell you how your argument could be wrong, and it's your job to prove me wrong or else it simply doesn't stand.

If you don't understand this, then we can't continue because it would be like us playing a game but not agreeing on the rules.

@batmanplusjay said:

@revold said:

Just because they are the only ones to reach Earth (so far) doesn't mean that it couldn't have been anyone else.

But that's just yet again your headcanon. We're well past the Momoshiki arc, just finished the Isshiki arc and now starting a new arc and there's still been no other Otsutsuki invading earth other than the ones who actually invaded. If you personally don't think Kaguya was talking about Momo, then treat it as a personal opinion, don't try to pass it on as fact when nothing supports it and everything from the manga directly contradicts it.

Like I said for the 3rd time, even if there is no other Otsutsuki who found Earth so far (or even in the future), it doesn't mean it couldn't. The mere possibility of it being someone else is enough to question your assumption.

As for your picture, it's not even as good an evidence as the manga scan who specified "this pair". But like I've already said, Sasuke refers to them because they are the ones who did end up invading, so there's nothing wrong saying that Kaguya was preparing the army for them. But this does not mean that she was only preparing for this possibility.

If there's nothing vague then how about you reproduce the scroll for me?

Sasuke would've acted the same way regardless of what you or I think the scroll contains. He would've called them the threat, even if Kaguya was warning about the whole clan.

Unless you can prove that the duo is the only ones who are after Kaguya, which isn't true. Or unless you can prove that everyone else who comes after Kaguya is not worth Kaguya's attention. Which is also not true.

And where did whole premise that Naruto and Sasuke being "exponentially stronger" comes from? That's right, from Momoshiki. Also, Naruto and Sasuke is not the contradiction. It's scaling to the Kages and Shikamaru that's the problem. Unless you think they are all stronger than teen Six paths naruto then sure.

Just because they are the only ones to reach Earth (so far) doesn't mean that it couldn't have been anyone else.

And like I said, even if Sasuke did find their names from the scroll, it doesn't mean that Kaguya was warning solely about them.

The real headcanon here is forcing these statements to fit a narrative that real, undeniable showings contradict.