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@revold: just stop mate, all canon continuity states Momoshiki>Kaguya, nothing suggests she was referring to other members of the clan arriving. Read post above, and get over it. lol

Decent compilation but nothing I've not seen before. But there are some overlap on the evidence origins. For example, Sasuke's suspicion of "a threat greater than Kaguya" actually comes from learning the fact that Kaguya was preparing a White Zetsu army.

Let's think from Kaguya's perspective: we know for a fact that she betrayed the entire clan, not just Momo and Kin. She doesn't know who will find her first. It could be the pair, it could have been someone else. In fact, it could have been no one. But she warns for the possible invasion of Otsutsukis, including the pair. Logically speaking, it is extremely unlikely for her to warn only about the pair, which none of your scans has actually proved this.

From Sasuke's perspective, since the pair was the ones who ended up finding them, he mentions the pair as the possible invaders that Kaguya warned about. Which is 100% true, but that still doesn't mean that Kaguya has prepared the army solely for the possibility of them showing up, but not the possibility of any other Otsutsuki showing up.

I don't know why you think that I need to wait for some next Otsutsuki invasion to prove the possibility of other Otsutsukis invading. Because that's not the point. Kaguya didn't know who will invade so she will prepare her army regardless if Momo > Kaguya or not. Even if no other Otsutsuki will ever happen to invade, that still doesn't discount the possibility of that happening especially from Kaguya's perspective.

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No, it's not my job to disprove your headcanon. Going by your dumb ass logic you'll need to wait until the actual series finishes before coming to the conclusion that there actually isn't gonna be another Otsutsuki invasion investigating Kaguya. You have nothing but excuses to not believe what's blatantly shown and said in the show. And the simple fact you ignored everything else and only responded to that, with a half assed response at that, automatically proves you're just willfully ignorant. Ain't no need to continue this, I know everything I need to know. You're just wasting people's time.

It's not my fault that you made such an absurd claim that it is impossible that any other Otsutsuki could show up instead of the pair. Don't complain to me that it is impossible to prove as if I am the one making an unreasonable demand. And I did read your whole post, but like I said we can't continue if you don't think that you are the one who should be doing your evidence justice.

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Lmao, idk who you think you are but it's not my job to disprove your theories bro. Your theories are just theories, and they don't belong here. For the 4th time.

Not true. It is your job to prove that no Otsutsuki will ever come after Momo and Kin. Or at least, prove that Kaguya THINKS that. Or else, all of these evidences you've painfully provided will not be enough to prove that Momo > Kaguya, would it?

On the contrary, I don't have to prove that my "headcanon" is definitely true. Why? Because I'm not the one using this as my argument. I just need to tell you how your argument could be wrong, and it's your job to prove me wrong or else it simply doesn't stand.

If you don't understand this, then we can't continue because it would be like us playing a game but not agreeing on the rules.

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Just because they are the only ones to reach Earth (so far) doesn't mean that it couldn't have been anyone else.

But that's just yet again your headcanon. We're well past the Momoshiki arc, just finished the Isshiki arc and now starting a new arc and there's still been no other Otsutsuki invading earth other than the ones who actually invaded. If you personally don't think Kaguya was talking about Momo, then treat it as a personal opinion, don't try to pass it on as fact when nothing supports it and everything from the manga directly contradicts it.

I hate needing to always post this picture, but it is what it is until y'all get it.
I hate needing to always post this picture, but it is what it is until y'all get it.

Like I said for the 3rd time, even if there is no other Otsutsuki who found Earth so far (or even in the future), it doesn't mean it couldn't. The mere possibility of it being someone else is enough to question your assumption.

As for your picture, it's not even as good an evidence as the manga scan who specified "this pair". But like I've already said, Sasuke refers to them because they are the ones who did end up invading, so there's nothing wrong saying that Kaguya was preparing the army for them. But this does not mean that she was only preparing for this possibility.

And like I said, even if Sasuke did find their names from the scroll, it doesn't mean that Kaguya was warning solely about them.

See, and thats the problem right there. There is no "if". There's nothing questionable about what Sasuke read directly off of Kaguya's own scroll, stop tryna treat shit from the manga like it aint from the manga. He had a hypothesis that Kaguya's scroll confirmed after he decoded it. I don't know why everybody tries to act like everything that happened here is "questionable" or "vague" when it literally is the exact opposite.

If there's nothing vague then how about you reproduce the scroll for me?

Sasuke would've acted the same way regardless of what you or I think the scroll contains. He would've called them the threat, even if Kaguya was warning about the whole clan.

Unless you can prove that the duo is the only ones who are after Kaguya, which isn't true. Or unless you can prove that everyone else who comes after Kaguya is not worth Kaguya's attention. Which is also not true.

The real headcanon here is forcing these statements to fit a narrative that real, undeniable showings contradict.

Nothing contradicts it, which is exactly why it can be taken at face value. Lack of big boom feats aint contradiction lil homie, unless you have no concept of what AP and DC is or the differences between the two. It's been 15 years post war and Naruto and Sasuke's strength have grown exponentially, it's that simple. It's why Naruto one shotted Momo with a base rasenan. It's why he was reacting to fused Momo in base. It's why he was able to destroy the tenseigan eye in base. One shotted Toneri. It's why Sasuke says directly from his mouth he'd stop another Kaguya level threat on his own. And honestly I could continue.

What you have is a conspiracy theory, nothing factual. Actual facts directly contradict you.

And where did whole premise that Naruto and Sasuke being "exponentially stronger" comes from? That's right, from Momoshiki. Also, Naruto and Sasuke is not the contradiction. It's scaling to the Kages and Shikamaru that's the problem. Unless you think they are all stronger than teen Six paths naruto then sure.

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@revold: Don't do that. That's just plain headcanon. Kaguya was afraid of this specific pair, as it clearly states pretty much anywhere you can think of looking. And Momoshiki didnt find earth by chance, wtf are you talking about? Facts >>>> conspiracy theories, Kaguya was afraid of Momo and Kin as stated in her scroll, not the whole clan. End of discussion. Momo and Kin were the only Otsutsuki to ever even come to earth investigating her disappearance anyway, directly reinforcing the fact that those two were specifically who she was shitting bricks about.

Just because they are the only ones to reach Earth (so far) doesn't mean that it couldn't have been anyone else.

And like I said, even if Sasuke did find their names from the scroll, it doesn't mean that Kaguya was warning solely about them.

The real headcanon here is forcing these statements to fit a narrative that real, undeniable showings contradict.

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Sasuke hypothesis that there is a greater threat out there more powerful than Kaguya in Naruto Gaiden Chapter 5

In Boruto Chapter 4 Sasuke when they finally decoded Kaguya's Scrolls, he confirmed his hypothesis was correct

Then Momoshiki and Kinshiki invade the Chunin Exams in Chapter 5 and Sasuke comes to Naruto's aid. He says the finally decoded the scroll and here's what it said

Sasuke: "The Big Guy is Kinshiki Otsutsuki, and the Short One is Momoshiki Otsutsuki, the scroll was a warning about THIS PAIR'S invasion apparently.

Notice how Sasuke said THIS PAIR. As in THESE TWO.

Also, notice how he learned Momoshiki's name? Keep in mind he never learned Momoshiki's name back in the Ice Dimension. As Momoshiki never introduced himself then. He only learned Kinshiki's name from Momoshiki calling him out and mocking him on letting his horn get cut off by Sasuke.

So where did he get Momoshiki's name from? Out of thin air? Out of his ass? No he got it from the scroll like he said he did ON PANEL. Meaning yes, Momoshiki and Kinshiki were the ones Kaguya wrote about

And also, it still controversial despite this on panel evidence because people simp for Madara and Kaguya and just hate on Boruto in general.

It makes more sense that Kaguya was warning about the whole clan in general since Momo and Kin only discovered Earth by chance and it could've been any other Otsutsuki. Even if he did learn their names from the scroll, they still can be just part of the worry Kaguya had and specifying their names as examples doesn't disprove that. Sasuke only said "this pair" because they just happen to be the ones who showed up to them, but it could've been anyone, likely much more powerful ones exist.

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Kinshiki doesn't even win by databook statement. It said "split the earth" which for some reason got misinterpreted as the planet but it's just a random statement about the ground. It's not even the translation's fault because the e in Earth wasn't capitalized.

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King Arthur defeated Cath who transcended the concept of death. The "immortality" of Juubi Jins are nothing in comparison.

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He used it in the NSUNS4 game. In fact his PS is much larger than Sasuke's.

Since this is a "what could happen" question, this what-if scenario is good enough imo given no contradictions with canon.

As for why: it's the same reason why DMS Kakashi could use PS. We already know blind Madara could use normal Susanoo.

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Isn't it already debunked many times that BZ said "Space" (空間 Kūkan) which had nothing to do with dimensions?