Madara was never at his peak (Naruto)

Madara is the one of the characters in Naruto that is not short of forms: from EMS Madara, to Edo Tensei, to Post-Revival Madara, then to Juubi Jinchuriki Madara. But for some reason I realised, after every power-up, he always loses something in the process, making the upgrade less than definitive.

From EMS to Edo Tensei

Now many people think that Edo Tensei Madara is a downgrade from EMS Living Madara, and I can prove that it's certainly not the case.

For starters, EMS Madara never had Perfect Susanoo! This may be a surprise to people, but it's true. He may have perfect-ish Susanoo cloak on Kurama, but as Susanoo itself, we only got to see it as the Armored Susanoo form.

Madara's Imperfect Susanoo vs "Perfect-looking" Susanoo cloak

This is the exact same case with Sasuke, and rightfully so since they both have double EMS. However, Edo Tensei Madara has the Rinnegan, which allowed him to cast Perfect Susanoo. According to Kabuto, the Rinnegan (which at the time he thought he was responsible for) made Madara stronger than his EMS prime, which turns out to be very true.

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Adding to the fact that he also have Wood Release, which include releasing poison gas, he can definitely overwhelm EMS Madara if he doesn't have Kurama ready. Not to mention he's immortal and EMS Madara has no way to put him down.

However, as you'll see later this form does has its drawbacks in mobility.

From Edo Tensei to Post-Revival

When Madara got revived, he seems to gain a sudden boost in mobility, which Hashirama claims to be Madara regaining his "past strength". This past strength is immediately followed up with the explanation on Choku Tomoe, which is Madara's name for Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Even though Madara does not possess the eyes themselves, he does possess the blood of one who has awakened an EMS.

However, all of these comes with a cost, which is losing his immortality. Honestly if not for the sake of plot, he could've been finished off with one Amaterasu. However, Naruto thought that Madara could absorb Ninjutsu, which led Sasuke to think that Amaterasu didn't work. But in truth, Madara only got lucky because the flames only touched his Edo Tensei body right before they dissolved.

After he gained one Rinnegan, things become a little different. He can perform Jutsu that his Edo Tensei can't, such as the Outer Path techniques. And unlike his Edo Tensei body and Nagato, his living body possesses Six Paths Chakra, which allows him to use his unique ability Limbo.

However, with only one right Rinnegan, he can only use three out of six paths. In other words, he couldn't use the left Rinnegan paths, namely: Preta, Deva and Human. Here's why I think so:

  • Out of the six paths, Sasuke, a left-Rinnegan only-user, only ever used two of them: Preta and Deva.
  • Out of the six paths, Obito, a left-Rinnegan only-user, has never used any paths. However, he did mention he could use Human Path.
  • Madara, with just the right Rinnegan, didn't use Preta Path at times he totally should've and could've. For example, when he reacted to Naruto's Lava Rasenshuriken, and Sasuke's Chidori.
  • The moment Madara got his left Rinnegan back, the first Jutsu he performed is Chibaku Tensei. Coincidence, I think not.

Note that it's impossible for me to definitively prove a negative, that is, Madara can NOT used these Jutsu. However, all of these points add together is a strong indication.

From Revived to Juubi Jinchuriki

Ok, this is one power-up without real drawbacks. But for what's worth, Juubi Jinchuriki's cannot go intangible with Kamui.

Pre-Shinju to Post-Shinju

Absorbing the God Tree with the third eye is important, but before that he already lost nine out of ten Truth Seeking Balls. Many people try to downplay TSBs but feats prove that they're very versatile and relevant even among god tiers.

On top of that, taking a direct hit from Night Guy also turned his Truth Seeking Staff into a normal orb, which should signify something significant.

My take is that Madara used up his Six Paths Yin Power to heal himself from a near-death experience. After all, the staff is made up of the "Moon" symbol, which parallels with the "Moon" symbol in the form of a seal on Sasuke's left hand.

One Rinnegan to Two Rinnegan

Right before he gained one Rinnegan, he lost half a body worth of chakra. Whether that actually translates to losing half of his chakra is unclear, but it is enough to manifest Hagoromo himself into the real world, which must mean a significant amount. This might explain why Naruto's Shadow Clones could match his Limbo Clones, despite Naruto already admitted not being able to beat the weaker 1-Rinnegan Madara alone.

Two Rinnegan to 3 eye

Awakening the Rinne Sharingan is good but right afterwards, he lost a lot of chakra performing Infinite Tsukuyomi, which turned his 9-Tomoe Rinne Sharingan into 6-Tomoe.

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Ok so as you can see, Madara loses a lot of his powers on his way of gaining powers. Even if you ignore Edo Tensei immortality, a "Composite" Juubi Madara might be more powerful than you think. "Composite" as in only canon manga, but assumes that Madara did not lose his powers in the midst of gaining other powers.

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Most Powerful Characters of 7DS Part 4

Rules for this list

Rules:

  • The main list will only be consider character forms/versions introduced in Part 4 (i.e. Season 4 of the anime). Characters who was introduced outside of Part 4, but reintroduced with a new form or version in Part 4 will still be considered. (For example: King with his Adult Form, Meliodas with his True Magic form)
  • The main list will not consider life-sacrificing powers or abilities. The character itself will still be considered minus the powers due to a life-sacrificing act. (For example: Escanor's The One Ultimate, Indura forms)
  • If multiple forms/versions of the same character is in the list, the ones lower on the list will be discarded from the main list. However, characters with a different persona will still be considered. (For example: Meliodas possessed by Demon King, Estarossa who regained his identity as Mael)

Characters who made it into the list but are eliminated due to any of the reasons above will be put in-between the ranks of the main list where applicable.

10. Original Demon

The Sinner

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The Sinner is the original form of Chandler and Cusack before they got separated by the Demon King. He should have all the powers the two had, including Full Counter, Absolute Cancel, Resonant, and ability to transform the day into true night.

He could easily overpower both post-noon Escanor and Merlin concurrently.

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By combining their individual combat classes, The Sinner has a combat class of 341,000. This puts him solidly above the highest specific combat class of Ludociel's human form at 201,000, and solidly above even 4-Commandment Mael, who was vaguely stated to be "above 200,000".

With the power capable of challenging the Demon King himself, The Sinner is arguably above even Zeldris.

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While Ludociel in his angel form was able to match him momentarily, The Sinner quickly overpowered him with his magic power Crisis (終局クライシス Kuraishisu), which converts damage into strength.

9. Full-Grown Wings

Adult King

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Adult King can has shown to be able to read the thoughts of Diane and 4-Commandment Mael.

Though not specifically confirmed, his combat class casually surpasses the 400,000 mark in this form, given the fact that he could almost defeat The Sinner even in a long-distance battle, right after his battle with 4-Commandment Mael.

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At close range, he could use multiple forms of Spirit Spear Chastiefol simultaneously, making him one of the most versatile character in the series. He could easily stomp 4-Commandment Mael while at the same time shielding his friends from harm.

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Despite draining his magic at a much greater rate and unable to use multiple forms simultaneously, he can fight at beyond ocular range by using his magic sensory, and almost stomped The Sinner as well if not for Zeldris's interference.

8. "The Sun"

Archangel Mael

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Mael is said to be the strongest of the Four Archangels, surpassing even his brother Ludociel, rivaled only by Assault Mode Meliodas.

As the original owner of the Grace, he could utilize it to it's full potential, as seen from Greatest Sun which defeated The Sinner instantly. This makes him easily above 400,000 just like Adult King.

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Unlike Escanor, the Grace courses within him, making him a hard-counter against both of Zeldris's magic powers: Omnious Nebula and God, by passively melting his blade. This is a feat that neither Adult King nor Escanor could achieve.

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As an Archangel, he could also easily heal himself or others in a matter of seconds, and have the ability to fly. This makes him vastly above the likes of Escanor in terms of endurance and versatility.

7. Post-Purgatory

Ban the Immortal

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Ban is hands-down the fastest character directly shown in the series. He took Demon King Meliodas off-guard, who has an estimated combat class of around 900,000 for having both the Ten Commandments and the equally-powerful true magic power of Meliodas. Later on, he also grabbed Zeldris away from the Commandments, when Assault Mode Meliodas hadn't manage to move even one step.

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He was able to hold his own against Demon King Meliodas, and even got him down momentarily with the help of Meliodas battling him at the same time. His passive durability is also enough to withstand a direct hit from Grieving Sage (嘆息の賢人 Tansoku no Kenjin), an island-level energy attack.

A casual earth-splitting punch from Ban stretches for miles into the horizon, and a serious punch cuts through a mile of diamond.

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And all of which mentioned was done by Ban without immortality nor his sacred treasure Holy Staff Courechouse (聖棍 クレシューズ Seikon Kureshūzu), which gives him the ability to attack at irrregular speed, angle and distances at will. By pushing his concentration to maximum, Ban destoyed countless Indura spawns in an instant, while avoiding the civilians among them.

6. Final Form

Demon King Zeldris

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Not only was Demon King returned to the former power of his old form, he also gained the youth of Zeldris he no longer had before.

Unlike any of the characters above, Demon King Zeldris mere existence creates natural disasters in the mortal world. Even while still holding on to the Grace of the Sun and when the time was nearing noon, Mael openly admitted that he was still no match for him. Since he's superior to Ban and The One Mael, he was easily above 500,000 mark.

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He could fight evenly with Adult King, Ban with sacred treasure, and pre-noon Escanor all at once.

He also has his magic power: The Ruler (支配者ザ・ルーラーZa Rūrā). This can be countered by healing, which so far on this list includes Ban and Mael. However, Ban's healing is not enough to be more than just nuisance, and Mael openly admitted to be inferior regardless. The rest beyond the list would be too weak on their own to challenge him anyway.

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Even after he was extracted out of Zeldris, he could even possess the land of Britannia and form a giant mountain. In this form, he could invoke Death Zero (虚無 デスゼロDesu Zero), an attack which kept all 7 Deadly Sins at bay, at least until Merlin invoked Power Limit Break (魔力限界突破 パワー・リミットブレイクPawā Rimitto Bureiku).

5. True Magic

Demon Meliodas

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While in Meliodas's mind, King, who at this point already awakened Adult form, noted that base Meliodas had greater magic power than him. This is later supported by many instances, such as his Demon Mark 2 form matching blows with lake-amped Final Form Demon King Zeldris.

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He can also use Assault Mode, a form he once used to stomp The One Escanor. This may be confusing to some since The One Escanor one-shotted Assault Mode Meliodas in modern day. Some explain it to be because young Escanor couldn't control his power, but the main reason is that the Meliodas during the rematch was not back to full power. His combat class was recorded to be only 142,000, even though later on he could suppress Estarossa, Cusack and Zeldris with Demon King magic simultaneously.

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On top of that, Meliodas has his true magic power, unnamed in the series. According to Zeldris, that power surpasses even the Demon King.

4. Fragment of Chaos

Cath Palug

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A beast powerful enough to challenge Chaos itself. However, he was sealed away by the Goddesses, which means he is still inferior to the likes of Supreme Deity.

In his first form, he could already create a dimension indestructible by conventional means, sucking the Seven Deadly Sins in.

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In his second form, he can create a simulation of the future, letting his victims live their whole lives in their minds. He claimed to be able to consume the world itself, of which later he was seen engulfing the ground of the chaotic world.

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With the power of Chaos, he was stated to "transcend the concept of death itself". The only way to defeat him was sealing like from the goddesses, or absorb him with an even greater power of Chaos.

3. True Magic

Demon King Meliodas

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The single most powerful character directly shown in the series. It might seem like the post-purgatory duo could beat him, but that's only thanks to Meliodas fighting the Demon King himself, who is only as strong as the 10 Commandments.

From the outside, Demon King Meliodas is Meliodas's Assault Mode, plus his newly awakened true magic, plus the power of the Ten Commandments. That is superior to even the full Demon King as in place of Demon King's original body in purgatory is Meliodas's stronger and younger body.

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He created a creature who could fire at least 5 island-level energy attacks before being stopped by Zeldris, making this creature already country level by itself.

The main body was not only immune to these attacks, but it wouldn't even harm him thanks to The Ruler (支配者 ザ・ルーラー Za Rūrā), allowing him to freely fire away despite being right at the point of impact.

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Demon King Meliodas is immune to any of his own powers, like how he bypassed Zeldris's magic power God (魔神王 ゴッド Goddo). Similarly, the Commandments will also very likely not work on himself.

He was also immune to the magic of Archangels, such as the immunity to brainwashing of the angels he bestowed to Merlin.

2. Chaos

King Arthur

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In his first form, Arthur could cut apart the dimension Cath created.

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He also have clairvoyance, perceiving Camelot by using the power of Chaos.

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Arthur can defeat a fragment of Chaos itself, who is conventionally indestructible. After he absorbed Cath, Arthur's sword gained a new form.

1. Prime

Demon King & Supreme Deity

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Even with their old bodies, they could overwhelm Meliodas and Goddess Elizabeth.

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However, that is after they have distributed their Graces and Commandments. For the Demon King, it was said to be half of his power, which makes the Demon King who cursed Elizabeth equal to the combined powers of the 10 Commandments. That totals up to a combat class of 922,000.

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And that is not counting the power he used to create the Demon Realm, and the power he used to seal Chaos afterwards. This means his combat class easily surpassed the 1 million mark, with Supreme Deity being comparable to that.

0. Prime

Chaos

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The creator of the world, including the Supreme Deity, Demon King and the Sacred Tree.

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Even though he eventually got sealed, it was only with the combined forces of Demon King and Supreme Deity, the two most powerful beings in existence.

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Seven Deadly Sins God Tiers Ranked

10. Goddess

Elizabeth

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In her weaker, human reincarnation, she could easily create giant avatars to counter Estarossa.

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And even though she's likely the best healer in the series, her signature technique is Ark, which is the best among the whole clan.

By the end of the series, she can even fight against Demon King Zeldris.

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Her most powerful technique is actually a technique that saves the Indura from themselves. It was able to suppress both Indura at the same time, and each of them was able to overwhelm Ludociel individually.

She also temporarily had FOUR pairs of wings, making her the most powerful of her clan at the moment.

9.5 Zeldris Imperfect

Demon King

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In his imperfect forms, Demon King Zeldris may not be very strong but he kept up with the combo attacks of Post Purgatory Melidoas and Elizabeth.

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In his second form, he was completely unfazed by the punches of Post Purgatory Meliodas, the same one implied to be more powerful than Adult King.

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He was able to pummel Meliodas and force him to use Demon Mark 2.

9. Adult

King

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King was able to use multiple form of Chastifol at once, both offense and defense. This makes him among the most versatile character in the entire series.

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His raw power completely overwhelmed Four-Commandment Mael, who was said to have power level of more than 200,000.

8.5 Commandment

Meliodas

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The Demon Clan's 3-in-1 equivalent of Elizabeth (child of God), Ludociel (leader of the elite force) and Mael (the strongest of the clan).

He was implied to be at least on par with Mael even in board daylight conditions.

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It is hard to pinpoint when exactly Meliodas regained his strength as the Demon Prince, but many point to this moment when he casually subdued Estarossa, Cusack and Zeldris with the "King of Demons" magic, all at the same time.

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On top of that, he also had the Love Commandment, which likely has the same power level as base Estarossa at 60,000. This is a pattern observed when Estarossa gained a power level similar to Galand's base when absorbing his commandment.

8. Commandment

Gowther

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Gowther is among the most powerful support characters in the series. He was so dangerous, the Demon King forced him a Commandment and imprisoned him in the Demon Realm to keep him in check.

Just the doll he created, with the same name Gowther, was powerful enough to be one of the Ten Commandments. And the demon himself possesses all the techniques that the doll has shown.

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While he is mainly about support, he was also very powerful in offense, able to subdue Melascula with ease.

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His most powerful technique changes the memories of everyone, including the Demon King and Supreme Deity. However, that was at the cost of his own life.

7.5 Post- Purgatory

Ban

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If Ban also had his secret treasure, he can unleash his true potential of killing millions of Indura spawns in a split second.

7. Grace

Mael

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Mael was said to be the strongest of the Four Archangel in general, not just at noon.

Just like Escanor, his power peak at noon and drops at night. However, even without his Grace "The Sun", he is still a fairly competent fighter and healer.

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As the original owner of the Grace, he is able to utilize it to a greater extent, overwhelming even The Sinner with one attack.

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Also unlike Escanor, the Grace course within his body, which hard counters Zeldris's Ominous Nebula without needing to do anything.

All of these showings are not at noon.

6.5 Purgatory

Demon King

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Demon King can bestow protection against the brainwashing by the Goddesses.

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6. The Immortal

Ban

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Right after his escape from Purgatory, Ban gave away his immortality to save Elaine's life. But for a small period of time, Ban had the best of both worlds, with both immortality and the power that surpassed it. Even with his new power, he can still be injured by the likes of Demon King.

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With immortality, Ban is also a healer who can heal major injuries instantly. The same technique can also be used to harm the Demon King when he had "The Ruler" activated.

5.5 Post-Purgatory

Meliodas

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This is the version after he gave up his True Magic to destroy the Commandments of the Demon King for good.

In base, he was already implied to be stronger than Adult King by King himself, and was destroying old Demon King (in the mind).

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And with just Demon Mark he can thrash Demon King Zeldris in his second form, dishing out god killing techniques that rivals his final form.

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In Assault Mode, he full countered the combined attack Fugutaiten (Viz: Nemesis) a total of 7 times, each time supplying twice the magic into it.

At some point became capable of destroying Britannia, which makes Meliodas at least 2-4x of that.

5. Ultimate

Escanor

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The Escanor who fought on par with Demon King Zeldris. Unlike Ban who fought Demon King when he also had to fight Meliodas mentally, the Demon King within Zeldris do not. Hence, Escanor is more powerful than Ban in raw power, but that is also his suicide attack.

4.5 Zeldris

Demon King

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According to Demon King himself, this form surpasses that his former power by being in the younger body of Zeldris. However, this form have yet to surpass the prime version of his younger self.

Unlike the previous two versions, this one regains his magic "The Ruler".

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He could split an entire lake with pure physical power, as any magical attack would've been absorbed by the lake.

He can casually spawn 5 complete Induras, when two Induras before were already enough to give the party some trouble.

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His mere presence was able to cause havoc enough to destroy the entire Britannia. Later on, he even fused with the land of Britannia itself after he got expelled from Zeldris' body.

4. True Magic

Meliodas

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Said to be on par with Demon King's powers, and later according to Zeldris, he actually surpassed the Demon King.

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However, the Demon King that everyone was comparing Meliodas to is a weaker version. Meliodas still loses his power after destroying the Commandments.

3.5 Chaos

Cath Palug

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3. Prime

Supreme Deity

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Needless to say, Supreme Deity is immune to any of Demon King's magic, such as the effects of the Commandments. She can also bestow such immunity to others, like how she did for the Archangels and Merlin.

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More importantly, she bestow the Grace similar to how Demon King bestowed the Commandments. Since the Commandments accounts for half of the Demon King powers, the same applies to her for the Graces as well.

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Just two of the Graces combined have enough power to create an whole new space.

However, since Supreme Deity doesn't have much feats, we can only scale her off the estimated power of the Demon King.

2.5 Meliodas

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2. Chaos King

Arthur

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In his controlled state, he can cut a dimension apart.

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And in his uncontrolled state, before some power was taken by Cath, he basically reality wrapped the entire landscape.

1. Prime

Demon King

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The Ten Commandments was half of the power of the Demon King who already weaker from creating the Demon Realm.

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Despite their youthful body, possessing Meliodas or Zeldris also comes with a vulnerability: the Commandments can be chased out of the possessed body if it is rendered unable to fight. This was how every high tier Commandment possessor was defeated: 4-Commandment Mael, Demon King Zeldris, and Demon King Meliodas.

However, if it is the body of Demon King himself, the same weakness does not apply.

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As the creator of the Demon Clan, he is also put above Supreme Deity as the Demon Clan is considered the strongest clan, superior to even the Goddess Clan. It took the combined forces of all the other clans to seal the Demon Clan away.

0. Prime

Chaos

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Even though he eventually got sealed, it was only with the combined forces of Demon King and Supreme Deity, the two most powerful beings in existence. Not only that, Chaos was also weakened after creating the world, the pair included.

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From Universe to Omniverse

Universe

The universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of matter and energy. [Wikipedia]

everything that exists, especially all physical matter, including all the stars, planets, galaxies, etc. in space [Cambridge Dictionary]

What we call The Universe (with a capital U) refers specifically to the 4-dimensional spacetime continuum that we all live in. However, it use to refer to just the 3-dimensional space, which is still relevant even to date.

Generically speaking, a universe can be of any dimensions. We can have a 2-dimensional universe called flatland, or a 10-dimensional universe proposed by superstring theory. By extension, even the 5-dimensional "multiverse" proposed in many theories is technically a universe.

Observable Universe

The observable universe is a spherical region of the universe comprising all matter that can be observed from Earth or its space-based telescopes and exploratory probes at the present time

The size of the Universe is often quoted to be 93 billion light years in diameter, but that is actually just the size of the observable universe. The actual size of the Universe is unknown, can be finite or even infinite.

Despite how it sounds, there are physical implications to defining this. The observable universe is not defined by the limitations of human capabilities, but the physical limit of the speed of light. In other words, it is a self-contained system where all possible influences are part of it.

Pocket Universe

A pocket universe or bubble universe... defines a realm like the one that contains the observable universe as only one of many inflationary zones. [Wikipedia]

Multiverse

What we call The Multiverse (with a capital M) refers specifically to the set of universes we all live in. At present moment, there are many competing scientific theories on the nature of the Multiverse.

Generically speaking, a multiverse can be of any dimension, as long as it consists of universes as their subsets. Theoretically speaking, even 1-dimensional universes can be a multiverse of 0-dimensional universes.

By extension, multi-multiverse (i.e. a set of multiverses) is also a multiverse itself, since multiverses are also universes.

Alternate Universe

A story in which the characters we know are seen in a reality that's somehow different, often disturbingly so. If they can access multiple alternative universes at the same time, that's The Multiverse. [TV Tropes]

Multi-Multiverse

Imagine that everything was getting smaller in a bigger multiverse, but its not an avrage multiverse, its 2x bigger than that, it's a multi-multiverse. [All Dimensions Wiki]

Megaverse

A Megaverse is a collection of alternate multiverses, which do not necessarily need to have similar natures and universal hierarchies. [Wikipedia; Multiverse (Marvel_Comics)]

A Megaverse is a collection of several different Multiverses, either a finite or infinite amount of them, usually each having different properties and interuniversal laws, such as different cosmic events being possible, such as Big Booms, etc. [Verse and Dimensions Wiki]

Unlike the previous two, we don't have to worry about confusing it with meaning "the Megaverse that we all live in" because there are no scientific theories that utilizes this word yet. Hence, the word Megaverse, even with the capital M, can be conveniently used to refer to a specific kind of universe, specifically a 6-dimensional universe.

For "a collection of Multiverses", it actually refers to a specific kind of multiverses, the 5-dimensional multiverse that contained an infinite number of 4-dimensional universe. Hence, Megaverse is often thought to be 6-dimensional, containing an infinite number of 5-dimensional multiverses.

While all Megaverses have to have 6 dimensions by definition, there are different types of Megaverses based on the type of dimensions they have. For example, a Type-X Megaverse can have 5 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time (i.e. 5+1 spacetime), while a Type-Y Megaverse can have 3 dimensions of space and 3 dimensions of time.

Gigaverse, Teraverse, etc.

The Gigaverse is the fourth nested level of the metric -verse series and the lowest-level archverse. This -verse contains a finite or infinite amount of megaverses, which are the third nested level. [Verse and Dimensions Wiki]

Since Megaverses comes after the 5-dimensional Multiverses pop culture is familiar with, it coincidentally represents 6-dimensional. For those who don't know, the prefix Mega- refers to 10^6 within the metric multiples system. Hence, people extend this to other prefixes in the system, such as Giga- and Tera-.

Gigaverse is a 9-dimensional multiverse as the prefix Giga- represents 10^9, and Teraverse is a 12-dimensional multiverse, and so on.

The separation of 3 degrees between each term is a convention adopted by the metric multiples system which happens to be a convenient coincidence for dimensional tiering as well. Because our human perception is limited up to 3 dimensions, we can easily and efficiently visualize the relationship between each term. Say for Gigaverse and Teraverse, if we imagine a Teraverse to be a 3-dimensional space, we can easily map Gigaverses as points.

Multi-Gigaverse and Sub-Gigaverse

Now you might wonder, if a Gigaverse is 9-dimensional and a Gigaverse is 12-dimensional, what about the 10 or 11-dimensional universes in-between them? How do we refer to them?

One way is to do the old fashion way. For example, we can call 7-dimensional multiverse Multi-Megaverse, and 8-dimensional multiverse Multi Multi-Megaverse, or Sub-Gigaverse.

We can also apply this one step back. Remember when we define Megaverse as a collection of Multiverses, we have to specify that these "Multiverses" are 5-dimensional because of how flexible the word "multiverse" can be? Now we have a mechanism to remove this ambiguity. Instead of calling it a Multiverse, we can call it a Sub-Megaverse instead.

Kiloverse

We can even go back further to the prefix Kilo-, which represents 10^3. Kiloverse is a 3-dimensional universe. Hold up, that sounds pretty familiar to us, because we all intuitively think that we live in 3 dimensions. However, due to advances of modern science, we discover that The Universe is really a 4-dimensional spacetime continuum.

Kiloverse is a very convenient way to resolve this ambiguity. Instead of Universe, which can mean either 4-dimensional or just the 3-dimensional aspect of it, Kiloverse is specifically just the 3-dimensional space.

However, just like Megaverse, Gigaverse etc, there is no proper noun equivalent, like "The Kiloverse". So you'll have to choose which ambiguity to resolve first depending on the context.

Archverse

An Archverse is a cosmological structure that is defined to be a large set of verses that are composed of Universes. Simply put, they are finite or infinite sets of smaller archverses. [Verse and Dimensions Wiki]

Archverses with a finite nested level (“index”) are often generalized to ordinal indices... The ωth archverse is generally considered to be the “Omniverse” [Verse and Dimensions Wiki]

Archverse is probably the least known one in here, but it can be useful to be adapted to mean "any finite-dimensional universe". This is because the original rationale of the term is to index every -Verse, since we'll eventually run out of metric prefixes to use for higher dimensions. In theory, such a index system only applies to finite numbers, hence the new adapted definition.

Hyperverse

hyperverse is defined as a reality of a higher dimensional order than our own likely 11-dimensional multiverse. In other words, any 12-dimensional reality, realm, etc. or above is referred to as a "hyperverse" for organisational purposes [VS Battles Wiki]

Hyperverse can be adapted to any infinite-dimensional universe. Since there are different sizes of infinity, there are different levels of Hyperverses just like Archverses.

Sometimes, this is also called Omniverse, especially for those who do not believe in the notion of transcending the concept of dimension itself. However, Omniverse is reserved for later.

Metaverse

The 'Verse is usually referred to with a show or franchise identifier (such as Buffyverse, Whoniverse, etc.). It is a crafted combination of setting-elements that define the rules for how the world works and sometimes provides for sharing of characters and continuity across more than one series.

Metaverse is the fictional setting. The 'Verse.

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Power Level of Demon King (Seven Deadly Sins)

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After Estarossa absorbed Galand's Commandment of Truth, his Combat Class rose to 88,000.

According to the guidebook, Estarossa's normal power level is 60,000. So most people will take the difference and calculate the power level of the Commandment to be 28,000.

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The weird thing is that Galand himself didn't have that high of a power level.

In Chapter 119, Galand had a power level of 26,000. To be fair, it was mentioned that the Goddesses' seal have sapped their magic in the same chapter, and it wasn't until Chapter 147, Galand declared that his powers were back.

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Even in the guidebook, Galand's power level is still only 27,000. That is still lower than the 28,000 we'd expect, but suspiciously close nonetheless.

Since the guidebook was only for the early chapters, Estarossa probably grew some in power himself, which might account for the difference.

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So basically, there's a high likelihood that the power level of the Commandments are the base power level stated in the guidebook. Adding all that up gives us 461,000.

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This makes much more sense than just multiplying Galand's Commandment by 10, which will give us only 280,000.

To put into context, the combined power level of Chandler and Cusack is already 341,000, which is the theoretical power level of The Sinner.

Demon King, after bestowing all the Commandments, should still be above them, matching up with the calculated 461,000.

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This is further supported by the fact that when Estarossa further absorbed the Commandments of Monspeet and Derieri, his power level jumps up to beyond 200,000.

If we follow the theory that all Commandments are 28,000, Estarossa absorbing two more would only bring him to 144,000.

But if we calculate using the base power levels of Monspeet and Derieri, Estarossa's power level would be 193,000. Not quite 200,000 yet but much closer than we expect.

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To account for the remaining difference, Mael probably gained more power after regaining his memories which turn him back into the Angel of Death. This is shown when he lost control with just two Commandments prior to that, but now regain sanity even with three.

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So since 461,000 is half of Demon King's power, his estimated power level would two times of that, totaling to 922,000.

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Even though the two halves might not be exactly equal, it is implied several times that they're roughly equal.

To remove Elizabeth's curse, one has to attain power on par with the Demon Lord. Since Demon Lord cursed Elizabeth after he gave away the Commandments and "God" to Zeldris, they only need to gather the 10 Commandments to match that.

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Keep in mind that he only bestowed the Commandment after he allegedly created the whole Demon World and the demons themselves. Hence, his original power level would be much greater than we can imagine. For starters, we can still add up the known power levels of all demons so far, and we'll still well beyond 1 million.

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However, Demon King Zeldris does not scale to full power Demon King at his prime. Some would quote this to argue that Demon King is now even stronger than he was given that he is now younger.

However, that just means that "his former power" wasn't referring to his prime, but right before he got sealed in purgatory. That is after he created the Demon World, bestowed the commandments and "King of Demons" magic to Zeldris, blessed Merlin and cursed Elizabeth.

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Similarly, when Zeldris said that Meliodas' true magic power surpassed that of Demon King, he was only referring to the Demon King that he and all the other demons were familiar with: the old and partitioned version. Hence even in this form, Meliodas doesn't scale to prime Demon King.

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Cosmogony Part 1: Dimension

Definition

Dimensions (of a mathematical space) are the parameters needed to define a point within the mathematical space.

For example, in a graph where the x-axis exist, all points on it have an x-coordinate, and the resulting space (finite or infinite) is said to have an x-dimension.

  • An axis is an imaginary reference line (i.e. 1-dimensional). An axis has one dimension, but it is not a dimension itself.
  • A coordinate is one of the numbers that specify the 0-dimensional point. It is not a dimension either since it's just a value of the parameter, not the parameter itself.

The "space" here doesn't necessary mean "spatial dimensions", but just a generic meaning of being occupiable or empty.

For simplicity, anything that can have dimensions (e.g. empty space, solid objects or even abstract constructs) will collectively be called figures.

Measurements

In daily lives, the more common use of the word dimension is about the size of an object.

The dimensions of this box are length, width and height.

The dimensions of this box are 3 cm by 3 cm by 3 cm.

Suppose you are asked to "specify the dimensions of the box". By common sense, most will give the first answer. This is the value of dimension, contrasting with the name of dimension in the second answer. If we discard common sense and speak strictly, the supposed answer would be the name if the question does not specify name or value. In shorter terms, the value of dimension is also called measurement, comprised of a magnitude (i.e. 3) and a unit (i.e. cm).

The string's length is 3 cm.

The string's length has a value of 3 cm.

To illustrate this, here's an more obvious example. As you can see, the more accurate description will be statement 2. However for brevity, we often just get straight to the point in common language.

0-Dimensional "Point"

A point is the 0th dimension.

A point is 0-dimensional.

A point has 0 dimensions.

First off, I want to note a mistake that almost everyone make: there is no such thing as the 0th dimension. There are, however, 0-dimensional figures that have no dimensions.

"0th dimension" and "0-dimensional" illustrates the clear distinction between dimension and dimensionality.

Dimensionality

Roughly speaking, it is the number of coordinates needed to specify a point on the object... The dimension of an object is sometimes also called its "dimensionality." [Wolfram Mathworld]

This box is 3 dimensions.

This box has a dimension of 3.

This box has a dimensionality of 3. ✓

This box is 3-dimensional. ✓

This box has 3 dimensions. ✓

Not to be confused with dimension, dimensionality is a property of figures, the number of dimensions a figure has.

Most people's first intuition of dimensions are along the lines of length, width and depth. Do not limit your understanding to just that, or even to just x, y, z axes. There are other coordinate systems (i.e. ways to define a point) such as spherical polar coordinates or cylindrical coordinates, which does not involve linear axes but angular ones.

However, whichever system you choose, all of them requires 3 independent parameters for a 3-dimensional space, even though the dimensions can be completely different. This illustrates the fact that dimensions are arbitary, but the dimensionality isn't.

The reason why people always confuse dimension with dimensionality is because that is in fact the definition of dimension in mathematics. This is because the intuitive sense of "dimension" doesn't exist once we dive deeper, so we might as well just define use it in place of the word dimensionality since it's shorter.

But here in fiction, we don't care about any strict sense of the word any more than human intuition. Therefore the distinction between dimension and dimensionality is very important.

1-Dimensional "Line"

Lines are one-dimensional figures that are straight and infinitely long.

Line Segments are closed intervals corresponding to a finite portion of an infinite line.

Lines are one-dimensional figures.

Straight Lines are one-dimensional figures that are straight.

Infinite Straight Lines are one-dimensional figures that are straight and infinitely long.

In geometry, lines are straight and infinitely long by definition, and its finite counterpart instead called line segment. However in common language, lines are simply any one-dimensional figures, and can be curved or finitely long.

Curves are one-dimensional figures.

Curves are curved one-dimensional figures.

Since lines are already defined as a specific type of one-dimensional figure in geometry, one-dimensional figures in general are defined as curves. However, this is counter-intuitive as even straight lines, which by definition are not curved, are considered as curves.

Curvature

Curved lines are 2-dimensional because it requires an extra dimension to describe the line.

Curved lines are still 1-dimensional. We only need one axis along the line to map to every point on it.

What the above statement is describing is not the line itself, but the space in which the line exist in. It has to be at least 2-dimensional, but if the line spans across 3-dimensions or more, it can honestly be any number of dimensions.

Homogeneity of Dimensions

Lines have only one dimension: length. It has no width and no height.

Lines have only one dimension.

While lines are defined as one-dimensional, it can be any dimension or type of dimension (need not be space). It can be length, width, height, depth, or even time! A line with the dimension of time is called a Timeline, or World Line when the entire 3-dimensional world is imagined to be a 0th-dimensional point.

The 4th dimension is time.

There are 3 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time.

This also illustrates the fact that there are real order for any number of dimensions. For example, time can just as well be the 1st dimension or the 3rd dimension.

Distance

Unlike in physics class, the difference between length and distance is quite apparent, as length is a dimension, and distance is not.

Distance is defined as the separation between space. While it can be measured with any spatial dimension, length is most commonly used.

Duration is the separation of time. Time not as in the dimension, but the dimension type in general.

Interval is the separation between spacetime or any type of dimensions in general.

2-Dimensional "Plane"

Planes are flat 2-dimensional figures that is infinitely large.

Hyperbolic planes are surfaces in which the space curves away from itself at every point.

Planes are 2-dimensional figures.

Similar to the definition of line, the definition of plane in geometry requires it to be flat and infinitely large. This is not only counter-intuitive in this case but also self-inconsistent.

Surfaces are

Multi-Dimensionality and Co-Dimensionality

The Universe is a multi-dimension.

The Universe is multi-dimensional.

A structure is multi-dimensional if it has 2 or more dimensions. A property of some figures.

Codimension is a term used in a number of algebraic and geometric contexts to indicate the difference between the dimension of certain objects and the dimension of a smaller object contained in it.

Codimension is a relative concept: it is only defined for one object inside another. Like dimension and dimensionality, we also distinguish codimension and codimensionality. For example with respect to a 4-dimensional figure of dimensions (x, y, z, w), the 3-dimensional figure of dimensions (x, y, z) has a codimensionality of 1, and a codimension w.

3-Dimensional "Solid"

There are two ways to name a 3-dimensional figures: solid or space. However, neither of these are really good names.

  • Solid implies that the structure must be firm with a fixed shape as opposed to fluids. However, fluids are also 3-dimensional.
  • Space creates even more confusion:
    • It implies emptiness. For example, everyone knows a square is a type of plane, but nobody calls a cube "a type of space" because cubes are objects that exists in space, but not space itself.
    • It can also imply that it must be made up of spatial dimensions. For example, 3 dimensions of time is still a mathematical space even though it has no spatial dimension.

Considering both, I would still prefer naming 3-dimensional structures solids. This is because space is a very ambiguous word which people can actually use for any number of dimensions.

Emptiness

In 3 dimensions more so than any other, there is emphasis on the emptiness of the 3-dimensional figure.

For instance, most consider both a sphere and a ball to be 3-dimensional, but with one difference. A sphere is empty, making it intuitively more akin to space. Meanwhile, a ball is the solid enclosed by a sphere, making it more akin to solid.

Ideally, there should be a word to generalize both space and solid into one term, similar to how I generalized (mathematical) space and objects into one term called figure at the start of this entire post. Unfortunately, there is no such word in the language, which is why we have two competing terms in the first place.

Space

In common language, the word space is often just a short for more specific phrases.

  1. Short for Empty Space. Most common usage, for example "to make space" means to de-occupy an region
  2. Short for Outer Space. Refers to the region beyond the atmosphere.
  3. A type of dimension in physics. For example, "across space and time".
  4. Short for 3-space. For example, "point, line, plane, followed by space". Refers to 3-dimensional figures in general.

The first two points are usually apparent when used, the confusion usually comes with the third, fourth point, and the true definition of space.

  1. A name for 3-dimensional figures in general. The 3-dimensional equivalent to point, line and surface. Short for 3-space.
  2. A type of dimension. Contrast with the dimension of time. For example, a figure with both spatial dimension and temporal dimension is called spacetime.
  3. An empty figure of any number (and any type) of dimension.

I name them with separate words to prevent unnecessary confusion: solid (1), p-space (2; stands for physical space) and m-space (3; stands for mathematical space).

4-Dimensional "???"

4-dimensional figures are called Spacetime.

Spacetime is a 4-dimensional figure.

4-dimensional Spacetime is probably the most well-known figure for anything 4-dimensional. However, that is only one specific type of 4-dimensional figure, with 3 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time.

Unlike dimensions 1 to 3, there is no general term for 4-dimensional figures, other than simply "4-space". Although there is no general term for 4-space, 4-cube in particular is known as tesseract, and 5-cube is known as a penteract.

Time

Like space, time has more than one definition/usage:

  1. A dimension, similar to "length", "width" and "height".
  2. A type of dimension, similar to "space". For example, dimensions of time are called temporal dimensions, just like how dimensions of space are called spatial dimensions.
  3. A direction, similar to "up", "down", "left", "right", "forward", "backward".

Unlike the space counterparts, time is a word for both the type of dimension and the dimension itself. For example, length is a dimension of space, while time is a dimension of ... well, time. This lack of distinction between definition 1 and definition 2 is never properly addressed as even the most cutting-edge theories in physics mostly involves only one dimension of time. In the rare models with two (or more) dimensions of time, there are mostly differentiated with words like:

  • "real time" and "imaginary time"
  • "time", "time squared", "time cubed" etc.

Apart from that, there are also efforts to distinguish definition 1 from definition 3. For instance, one could call "forward in time" as time, and "backward in time" as anti-time. While time becomes a direction, the name of the dimension is instead duration.

However, that does not align with its definition. Duration is the separation of time (Definition 2). It applies to any temporal dimensions in general, independent of any dimension in specific.

5-Dimensional "???"

While it is debatable if the Universe is 5-dimensional, many multiverse theories, especially in fiction, rely on a 5th dimension to create a range of infinite universes.

Extra-Dimensionality

In physics, extra dimensions are the proposed additional dimensions beyond the 3 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time. Extra-dimensional figures can be further classified into Hyperspace, Hypertime and others.

  • Hyperspace is an extra-dimensional space, in other words a figure with more than 3 dimensions of space.
  • Hypertime are figures with more than one dimension of time.
  • Have dimensions that are neither spatial or temporal. Even if the figure has less spatial and/or temporal dimensions, it is still considered to be extra-dimensional.

Note that there are no such things as "higher" dimensions, only extra dimensions, due to the Homogenity of Dimensions (no order). The fifth dimension might as well be the first dimension, and there is no difference.

A hyperplane is a subspace of one dimension less than the dimension of the hyperspace.

∞-Dimensional "???"

In mathematics, it is not uncommon to have a infinite-dimensional or transfinite-dimensional space, such as Hilbert Space.

Alternate Dimensions

The popular usage of this term is incorrect; "other dimensions" are not locations, but the means by which you get to them... Free movement in the fifth dimension, or "time squared", is usually seen as jumping sideways from branch to branch within the tree of choices and alternate events that make up the multiverse- so called alternate universes. [TV Tropes]

-1-Dimensional "???"

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Truth-Seeking Balls Explained (Revised)

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Truth-Seeking Balls (求道玉­ Gudōdama, Viz. Truthseeker Orb) are black malleable orbs of high-density chakra possessed by those with the power of Six Paths Senjutsu.

In the manga, only Madara and Black Zetsu have ever used this name. For this article, I will shorten the name to "TSB" for brevity.

Overview

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Truth Seeking Orbs are made up of chakra, but that's not what it is. It is actually Spacetime itself, or the absence of it.

One evidence of this is when 8 Gates Guy was moving so fast, it bends the Six Paths Staff on Madara's hand, which let Madara to immediately conclude that Guy was bending space itself.

You might think that this just means that this just means TSBs are subjected to the effects of gravity. That is not wrong, but that is also assuming Madara knows General Relativity, that gravity is the same as bending of Spacetime, which clearly isn't the case.

For Madara to know that he bends space just by looking at the bent staff, Madara must have prior knowledge that the staff must be intertwined with space itself.

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The more straightforward answer comes from Black Zetsu that the Expansive Truth Seeking Orb is literally a new "Space".

This is quite similar to a Black Hole, an area absent of Spacetime, created from energy of high density.

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Now you may think that the realms of General Relativity is probably too far-fetched for writers of a kids' show. But that's not the case.

When Kinshiki was taking measures for chakra, he measured in terms of space curvature. This is another example that the series have some form of understanding when it comes to General Relativity.

Abilities and Limitations

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Truth Seeking Orbs have most if not all basic chakra natures within them, and through various combinations, it can achieve Kekkei Genkai, Kekkei Tota or beyond.

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However, when one TSB has one chakra nature active, it will deactivate other chakra natures. For example, when Obito used one TSB for explosion, Tobirama can touch it without turning into dust.

This is because when the TSB is set for Explosion Release, it loses the attributes of Particle Release.

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Another example is when Minato was in direct contact with Madara's TSB to teleport them away, there wasn't even holes on his cloak.

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However, it was only until Obito became stable was he able to utilise Yin-Yang Release, the ultimate chakra nature that can nullify all other chakra natures.

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However, because it is part of Senjutsu, it cannot nullify Senjutsu regardless of its chakra nature.

This is a recurring rule in Naruto that the same type of Jutsu cannot be used against each other.

Another example of this rule is when the light of Infinite Tsukuyomi can penetrate all things but the Susanoo of a Rinnegan user.

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Since it's also a Six Paths Jutsu, it couldn't even harm those who possess Six Paths Chakra.

When Madara was trying to pulverize Might Guy into dust, Naruto could simply kick it away.

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Users also lose control of TSB about 70 meters out. And as a result, it's very easy to lose them altogether.

Madara lost all of his TSB to the Kamui Dimension, while Naruto was only left 3 while losing most to Kaguya's Dimensions.

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Naruto could also use it as the center of Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken.

Notable Forms

Default Ball

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For Madara and Naruto, all of their TSB are behind their back by default. That is, with the exception of the staff held in Madara's hand.

For Obito, the two TSB that first appeared in his unstable state was on the back of his palm by default. Whenever it activates, the TSB will go through his palms.

After he stabilized, he gained 8 more TSB behind his back, while the two original remains at the back of his palms. The one in his right hand pokes through his palm and shaped into a staff.

"Big Ball" Truth-Seeking

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When Juubito was unstable, he could make one TSB expand and contract suddenly, dissolving the ground it touched.

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Not unlike that case, Ashura Otsutsuki was able to make avatar-sized Truth-Seeking Balls.

Expansive Truth Seeking Orb

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Fueled by the chakra of all of Shinobi World, ETSB was able to create a super-sized TSB comprised of all chakra natures, in which the fourth databook described as "Chaos".

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The databook also mentioned it can destroy the world. What "the world" refers to is up to interpretation. Some argue that it includes an Earth-Sun radius given that the other Kaguya dimensions contains Moons and illuminating stars.

Six Paths Shakujō

Original Article: Six Paths Explained (Naruto)

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Six Paths Shakujō is the unofficial name for the Truth Seeking Staff possessed by the Ten Tails' Jinchuriki.

Hagoromo in particular possessed a dual-headed shakujo. One end has a ringed hoop, while the other end possesses a crescent shaped curve, representing the sun and moon respectively.

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While Hagoromo has both ends of the staff, Madara and Obito have only the Yin end and Yang end respectively.

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One peculiar exception is Madara holding the staff with Yang end when Obito extracted some Tailed Beasts Chakra from his body. The same thing did not reflect in the anime, which might mean it is an art mistake.

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On very rare occasion, the Six Paths Sakujo can even turn into a normal TSB. When Madara was attacked by Night Guy, he was so injured, the Six Paths Sakujo that he used to guard himself with turned into a normal TSB, and never returned.

This might signal that Madara lost something in the process, which can likely be Six Paths Yin Power, in order to recover from his near-death experience.

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Hamura Otsutsuki possesses his own Six Paths Sakujo, with only one end. However, his end is unlike either the Yang end nor the Yin end of Hagoromo's Sakujo.

There are no known reasons or explanation as to this. What we know is that at that point in time, he also possessed Six Paths Yin Power in the hand seal he used on Kaguya. Whether or not it is the same one as the one Hagoromo gave Sasuke is another mystery.

Six Paths Rods

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While Naruto do not possess Six Paths Sakujo, he can turn his TSB into Six Paths Rods. Naruto demonstrated many use cases such as deflecting Madara's Inton Raiha, as well as sealing Limbo in place.

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Madara also have his degraded Six Paths Sakujo as a Six Paths Rod which he can use as a projectile.

Six Paths Shield

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By combining all ten TSB to form an omni-directional shield, one can defend himself from an explosion caused by multiple Juubi Dama.

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Acquisition

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As mentioned in the manga and the databook,

The known users listed in the Fourth Databook are Naruto Uzumaki, Obito Uchiha and Madara Uchiha. Aside from them, Hagoromo Otsutsuki, Hamura Otsutsuki, Ashura Otsutsuki and Kaguya Otsutsuki are also known users in the manga.

Later on in Naruto: The Last movie, Toneri Otsutsuki also possessed TSB while in Tenseigan Chakra Mode.

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The number of TSB also varies between users. In the original manga, it seems to correspond to the number of tails the user is Jinchuriki of. For example, Madara, Obito, and Hagoromo all have 10 TSB as Ten-Tails Jinchuriki, while Naruto only has 9 as Nine-Tails Jinchuriki.

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Adult Hamura from The Last movie actually possess 9 Truth Seeking Orbs in an "S" shape.

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What is weird about Toneri's TSB is that he has no fixed number.

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Is the protagonist the same as the main character?

Is the protagonist the same as the main character?

Writers and readers alike uses the terms protagonist and main character interchangeable, or even believe that they are the same by definition. In fact, if you search up the definition for the word protagonist, you are almost always getting back the answer "main character". But if you search the title question, you are almost certainly going to get the answer "no".

In fact sometimes, people throw in another trope "hero" to discuss their differences.

Another problem is that nobody can ever seem to agree on how many protagonists or main characters there are (or can be) in a story. When you present a story to the floor, there'll always be a good majority who claim that there is only one single protagonist/main character, while the others believes there are a few.

Quick Definitions

To solve these problems, we first have to understand what the terms refer to, without involving circular definition. Most writers, especially when we try to differentiate the two concepts, will agree upon definitions which are more or less like the following:

The main character is the person who gets the most page or screen time. The story unfolds through the main characters eyes.

The protagonist takes the action that drives the story forward. The person who is undergoing the most change.

The hero solves the problems, takes action. Who We’re All Rooting For. It is a type of protagonist.

From this, one look and anybody can tell the difference between them. Simple enough right? Not so fast.

If you look closer, all 3 of these tropes have two sets of "criteria" in their definitions rather than one. Usually, one of them is the true definition, while the other is just a logical consequence, or even just a convention. For example, protagonist has two criteria: "drives the story forward" and "undergoes the most change". Most will deem the former as the definition, while the latter as just a rule that most protagonists follow as a result.

In fact, some articles even split the criteria up. WritingCooperative actually deemed the main character to be the one who "drives the story forward", while the protagonist as the one who just "undergoes the most change". Neither of these definitions really encapsulate the intuition of most, which I will address later.

Others even combine criteria to define a trope. For example, Dramatica define the hero as a character that is both the protagonist and the main character. This is a rather counter-intuitive definition to say the least.

In a nutshell, it's just a mess as to how they define them. Let's dive into each of them and see if they're really right.

Definitions Problems

Main Character

The main character is the person who gets the most page or screen time. The story unfolds through the main characters eyes.

Regardless of your belief that there can be multiple "main characters", "most page or screen time" is still an intuitive and fitting definition. The main characters of a story would just be the few with significantly more page or screen time than others.

However, the second criterion makes everything more problematic. You may think that the one who we experience the story from would automatically be the one with the most page or screen time, right?

That is not necessarily true. There may be parts of the story which for some reason, the supposed "viewpoint character" is not present. The story may be momentarily shown from the perspective of the protagonist instead, or even a third character.

So even though majority of the story was presented from the perspective of this viewpoint character, the protagonist may end up having more page or screen time than this "viewpoint character". In this case, who is the main character then?

Some viewpoint characters who have little or no involvement in the story (e.g. Dr Watson from Sherlock Holmes) was largely considered not the main character.

Protagonist

The protagonist takes the action that drives the story forward. The person who is undergoing the most change.

While defining the protagonist, most will bring up the concept of the story goal, and how the protagonist is the one working towards it, while the antagonist is the one working against it.

My biggest problem with this is that differentiating the protagonist from the antagonist seems completely arbitrary. If the antagonist is just the one who opposes the protagonist, how do we know which is the protagonist and which is the antagonist? How do we know the story goal isn't just the opposite of itself?

The problem is that it's usually the protagonist that defines the story goal, not the other way around. We all have this intuitive sense who the protagonist is, but to know what's the story goal we have to find the protagonist and what he or she is working towards.

The differentiating factor is certainly not the second criteria, namely "the person who undergoes the most change". The antagonist can easily be the one who changes more than the protagonist. In fact, the protagonist need not change at all. Look at Sherlock Holmes, the early days of Superman, or any Mary Sue character. All they have to do in the story is to save the day, and they are still easily the protagonists of their stories.

Hero

The hero solves the problems, takes action. Who We’re All Rooting For. It is a type of protagonist.

For most, this is probably the most difficult to define. There are plenty of characters in a story that can "take action", and we can always root for anyone other than the hero, even the antagonist!

And before you get confused, "the hero" here is about the hero of the story. It is not the same as the typical idea of one who displays or possess qualities of heroism, nor is it a reduced form of superheroes.

Also, it is certainly not necessarily the protagonist or main character. There are plenty of villain protagonists throughout fiction, most of them also happens to be the main character.

Solution

Before I get to how to define them correctly, I'll first highlight the underlying problem with the original question: Is the protagonist the same as the main character.

And if I'm honest, that's like comparing apples to oranges. Being the "main" character is an attribute, while being a "protagonist" is filling a role. In fact, you've probably heard of "Main Protagonist" very often, which is simply appending the attribute to a role.

The definitions given are actually intuitive enough to be understood by anyone, but they're just using them to define the wrong terms, resulting in a whole list of counterexamples.

"Lead" Character

Fortunately for us, there is already another attribute that we can contrast with the "main" character: the "lead" character. The definition of lead character is quite self-explanatory: the character that drives the story forward.

  • Lead Character: one who is most responsible for the plot
  • Main Character: one who has the most screen time
  • Supporting Character: one who is not as responsible for the plot
  • Side Character: one who the audience can't relate as well to

Notice that the protagonist need not be either lead character nor main character. Viewpoint characters often have slightly more screen time than the protagonist, and antagonists of many stories were often more responsible for the plot in the big picture than the protagonist (hence the role "Lead Antagonist").

However, what differentiates protagonist from the two, is that it is both a lead character and a main character. Being a lead character differentiates it from the viewpoint character, while being a main character differentiates it from the lead antagonist.

You may also be aware of other terms that are writers use interchangeably with "main" or "lead" character. For example:

  • Principal Character
  • Focal Character
  • Central Character
  • Primary Character
  • Major Character
  • Starring Character

Which brings me to the reason for my choice of the term "lead" character. While the "main" character is pretty much set in stone as to what it means, the "lead" character is by far the best in contrasting it. The other terms seems too similar to "main" which may make it counter-intuitive in understanding this framework.

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By now, you should understand that the story roles are just a mix of attributes namely "main", "lead" and their opposites "side" and "supporting".

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Most Powerful Nanatsu no Taizai Characters

15.5 Awakened

King

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14.5 Revived

Meliodas

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15.5 Awakened

Elizabeth

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15. Giant Queen

Diane

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15.5 True Form

Cusack

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15. True Form

Chandler

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14.5 Holy Sword

Arthur

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14. Archangel

Ludociel

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13.5 Indura

Derieri

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13. Indura

Monspeet

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12. Goddess

Elizabeth

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11.5 Quad Commandments

Mael

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12. Prime

Merlin

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11.5 Midday

Escanor

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11. Original Demon

The Sinner

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10.5 Demon King Proxy

Zeldris

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10. Adult

King

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9.5 Post-Purgatory

Meliodas

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Meliodas was able to subdue base Cusack (168,000), Estarossa (60,000) and Zeldris with "King of Demons" magic (at least 300,000).

9. Prime

Mael

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8.5 Semi Demon King

Zeldris

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8. Purgatory

Ban

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7.5 Demon Prince

Meliodas

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Estarossa's Power Level jumped from 60,000 to 88,000 after absorbing Galand's commandment of Truth. Assuming Meliodas' commandment of Love is at least as powerful as that, Meliodas would gain another 28,000.

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7. Ultimate

Escanor

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6.5 Unsealed

Demon King

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5. Demon King

Zeldris

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4.5 True Magic

Meliodas

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4. Chaos

Cath Palug

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3.5 Prime

Supreme Deity

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With 10 wings, she is the strongest of the goddess clan, comparable to the Demon King. She is ranked lower on this list is only due to the lack of feats.

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She grants Graces to the archangel, powers similar to the Commandments bestowed by the Demon King. One Archangel is said to have the power of two Commandments.

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She could nullify all dark spells and Commandments, and even grant this power to a third-party.

3. Prime

Demon King

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The Ten Commandments altogether is only half of the power of Demon King.

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Even after bestowing Ten Commandments and the "King of Demons" magic to Zeldris, he could completely overwhelm Meliodas with less than half of his original power.

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Together with the Supreme Deity at their prime, they could seal Chaos.

2. Chaos King

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1. Demon King

Meliodas

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0. Prime

Chaos

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The Visionary Explained (Bleach)

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The Visionary (夢想家 lit. Dreamer) is the Schrift of Gremmy Thoumeaux.

How it works

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The Visionary is the power to turn fantasy into reality. Anything that Gremmy imagines will become real.

Strengths

Reality

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The product of his imagination will remain even if he dies.

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After Gremmy's death, the two captains he killed remained dead.

While the products of his imagination may disappear, the consequence of them may not.

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He can create life with his imagination, even himself.

Weaknesses

Undesirable Imagination

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Anything Gremmy imagines will become real, even if it is undesirable. Gremmy can unintentionally imagine his opponents to be stronger than they are.

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The products of his own imagination can backfire and turn on him.

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He also imagines himself to be stronger, not knowing the consequence of straining his own body.

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He nearly made his own death a reality.

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However in the end, even after he removed the thought of him dying, he still imagined his own death.

Unconscious Revert

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When Gremmy gets distracted, his unconscious mind may revert the targets back to their status quo he imagined.

For example, Gremmy can consciously imagine Yachiru's bones to be made of cookies. However, when he was distracted, his unconscious mind assumed her bones are normal, hence transforming her back.

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When he forgot to harden his body, his body revert back to the status quo his unconscious mind imagined.

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If Gremmy were to forgot about the life he created, his mind will imagine a non-existent future for it.

Limits to Imagination

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The reality he create is as detailed as Gremmy can imagine.

For example, Gremmy needs to imagine how sturdy his body is relative to something he already know, such as Steel. Or imagine Yachiru's bones to be soft and brittle like cookie.

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Because he couldn't imagine how strong Kenpachi's body is, he couldn't imagine his own body to be as strong as Kenpachi.

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