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@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: Kanzenshuu and another thread.

@maestromage: Trying to suggest their beam attacks don't get faster is ridiculous. Especially given the attack was just a regular blast, and not Piccolo's most powerful move. We have every reason to b...

@maestromage: Piccolo was sub-light at the beginning of DBZ. They were lightspeed/low-FTL by Namek. Goku and Freeza were low-FTL at least. Android and Cell saga are several tiers above that. SS3 Goku ...

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God Goku was being blitzed by Base Kefla. Kefla only went SSJ against Blue Goku and KKB Goku. Really though, the DBS crew were MFTL+ at the start and only kept progressing. Kale and Caulifla individua...

@karkus: Gohan wasn't healed after Buutenks, and he wasn't healed from near-death either. Buutenks was toying with him and mocking him. And near-death isn't a requirement anymore since they were impro...

There's still absolutely nothing placing Jiren above Beerus Being stronger than Belmod =/= stronger than Beerus.

@karkus: The Daizenshuu quote actually specifies that Goku and friends don't get notable powerups from Zenkai's anymore.Which it explains is due to their massive growth on Namek, where their stats wer...

@rickybobby: Goku made no such implication. Stop trolling.@jashro44: Point being Toriyama may have said 50x then forgot he even said it, not meaning it as an exaggeration since the actual Numbers give...

@jashro44: Toriyama also said he just randomly threw out a number as to how long Snake Way was and it stuck for the series, and it's never been corrected. Toriyama also clearly states that he forgets ...

@rickybobby: Except you're wrong. Goku didn't WANT to do fusion to win. Goku and Vegeta both expressed that they weren't going to use it, even when Shin offered them Potara with the Omniking's approva...

@thewatcherking: It was 50x, which was proven conclusively in the Daizenshuu back when they actually listed Battle Power Levels and it straight up showed Goku's base at 3mil and his SSJ transformation...

@karkus: and you fail immediately by confusing Base Broly with Ikari Broly. Nothing else needs be said.

@karkus: Broly curbstomped a much stronger Goku, Vegeta and Freeza. This didn't happen directly after the ToP. This is months later. End of Super showed them a week or so later training. The Super Mov...

1st Ikari Broly was completely overpowering SSG Vegeta. SSG Goku used his martial skills to compensate for Broly being much stronger. 2nd Ikari Broly, however, completely overwhelmed SSG Goku and utte...

Broly didn't kill anyone, even the Broly LN points this out. When Freeza was KO'd, Broly did not continue attacking him. Once Broly KO's participants, he won't keep going after them. So Broly won't ki...

@jashro44: Paragus couldn't really follow the battle. He thought Broly was done for when Vegeta went SSJ, and instead Broly just kept improving. Then he thought Broly was dead when Vegeta went SSG, on...

@jashro44: No, that wasn't the reason. He did want to see how powerful it would make him, but given that SSB Goku was still being beaten by RSSJ Broly and the moment Broly turned SSJ that Vegeta had t...

One thing that was apparent was that Beerus adapted very quickly to both Vegeta and Goku's style of fighting. Goku did have the skill advantage over Broly initially while in SSG, but that barely laste...