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@killianduclark: I definitely think it would make sense for Wanda and maybe Elsa Bloodstone to be on the team... 😊👍

A great writer and artist is a must and the X-men do have made plenty of mystical enemies over their years that could serve as a rogues gallery for a Hex-Men team... 😉👍

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So I know a lot of people have been enjoying Hickmans X-men, I really haven't on the whole, sure there are some moments I like, but so much feels off about it, the X-men have become a weird mix of the Inhuman's and the Eternal's and Charles Xavier hasn't been himself since he was supposedly resurrected but the biggest tell for me is that when he revived he suddenly had very powerful Telekinesis as well as his Telepathy, this is not the Charles Xavier we know, brainwashing everyone to fit a isolationist agenda I believe that the Charles Xavier that was revived was Charles Xavier jr who died in Battle of the Atom the Son of Charles Xavier and Mystique, trying to rebuild what he considers his Fathers Legacy he did have very powerful Telekinesis and unlike his father he didn't believe in peaceful co-existance...

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honestly I would have Future Xavier Jr become the new Juggernaut, there was a What if Xavier became the Juggernaut and the only way they stopped him was throwing him into space...

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Many assume that because the Future versions came back in time to mess with the X-men that they somehow went back before they were born, however Raze discussed this with Xavier jr before they time-traveled they would go back to a point after their birth to not upset their own timelines which means Mystique abandoned them both at some point, Kid Xavier with a foster Family and Raze somewhere on Madripoor...

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now you might be asking when did Wolverine and Mystique get intimate enough to conceive Raze and the answer is simple during Wolverines comic run Sabertooth and mystique confronted wolverine along with the Hand when Logan went into a feral berserk rage Mystique turned into Yukio and was able to fool his enhanced senses, almost certainly leading to Razes conception...

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so yes Baby Raze is in 616 and no one has gone looking for him, since multiple future Adult Razes came back in time...

I would very much like to know what has happened to him since as well as Jimmy Hudson and Rien...

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I feel that Rien being left in WW2 is a good opportunity to give her a long standing history with the magical side of the Marvel universe, and given that she now has to take the long way back to present day, and it would be better if her adventures conveniently sidestepped any major conflicts with continuity, for example.

1)She could train in Kun Lun, at a time long before Danny Rand arrived.

2) she could vist the Savage Land, and cross paths with Manthing/the Nexus

3) she could visit Weirdworld, and face off against Morgan Le Faye.

4) She could train with a younger Stick and together they could battle the Hand.

5) She could face off with the N'Garai, and seal a portal into their realm.

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@koays said:

@red_paladin_: But again. Your saying he's bias based on a conclusion he drew from information we can't see. Which your saying is wrong because of information we can see.

I mean clearly he's a mad scientist so he doesn't subscribe to the scientific method or the standards that real world scientist would judge research against. But saying he's wrong based solely on power combinations and abilities when not a one time has Sinister ever expressed interest in Scott or Havok's powersets. So while I agree that his result could screwed, it's impossible to determine what about Scott's X-gene's and being "mutant pure" made him special.

Actually I said he doesn't participate in the systems that are designed to test and verify his work as well as remove bias from his research, and that because he doesn't submit his findings to peer review, he does not independently confirm them, making his conclusions merely his opinion, to say we must trust his findings purely because he is a scientist, and therefore knows better than us is an argument from authority fallacy, in addition if we can't evaluate his data\working ourselves, and his conclusions are in conflict with the observable data, then why would we ever accept them as true?

Mutants power sets are themselves the unique inheritable traits, associated with and governed by an individuals Mutant X Gene, does it have any known or established function outside of that? I'm certainly not aware of any...

Well we can clearly demonstrate that Sinister's Mutant Pure doesn't mean all Scott direct line are Mutants, the only other definition I can think that might apply is that he bred Black Womb's Mutant X-gene out of the Summers line, and waited for either a spontaneous Mutation in the line, or he selectively bred a particular X-gene into the line via Catherine's marriage to Corsair as to further cultivate the Summers line, which has been his pet project since Scott's ancestor Daniel Summers escaped Sinister's lab and ran off to America...

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@koays said:

@red_paladin_: Again your basing this purely on a visible assessment. Whereas Sinister is constantly looking at the genes.

Aside from that depending on the interpretation Scott's got access to a nexus of limitless energy, whereas Havok is just converting energy.

Vulcan was supposedly boosted by M-Day energy in his first appearance.

No I'm basing this on what we can reasonably assess, we can not see what Mr Sinister is basing his assumptions on, nor does he detail his working, only his conclusions, which are often in conflict with the observable data, what was the size of his sample pool?, how many combinations did he test?, has he retested his findings as as we have made advances in genetic research? Have other Scientists peer reviewed his work, in any decade I assume that Sinister operates at the cutting edge of his field, however the bulk of his work is done outside of the mainstream scientific community, because of this he does not participate in the systems designed to remove bias and vet his findings, the validity of any conclusions he comes to in his work are questionable, and are likely colored by his own perceptions...

Well aside from you already stating that Scott's power's were irrelevant to this discussion, Scott's powers are a mess in continuity sometimes they are concussive force beams sometimes they are Lasers, producing heat, sometimes his beams can pass through a lens and increase their effect other times he has to tighten the beam to increase it's effect, in all initial descriptions of Scott's powers absorb sunlight and other ambient energies, he has even absorbed Storms Lightning to get a boost, however due to a misprint in a couple of encyclopedia's some fans have latched onto this extra dimensional energy source, they call the punch dimension, in addition due to Physical and/or Psychological Trauma, Scott is unable to turn off his powers, this leaves him Mono chromatically colour blind, in the real world this would prevent you from getting your pilot's license, driving at night, doing wiring, or just about anything where you had to differentiate colours this never gets addressed in his day to day life, or impacts what has can do...

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@red_paladin_: Again your basing this purely on a visible assessment. Whereas Sinister is constantly looking at the genes.

Aside from that depending on the interpretation Scott's got access to a nexus of limitless energy, whereas Havok is just converting energy.

Vulcan was supposedly boosted by M-Day energy in his first appearance.

yes ty

i recently read on youtube "deadly genesis"

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Vulcan was initially boosted in his first appearance from absorbing Darwin who's body had turned into living energy as a survival mechanism, during the Krakoa mission it had nothing to do with M-Day aside from Vulcan coming back after M-Day Happened, (which was because of Sway's time bubble), when many mutants had lost their abilities, including Professor-X and without Darwin boosting him, he was still an Omega Level Mutant...

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@koays said:

@red_paladin_: Except he had no access to Vulcan even if he knew about him, and Havoks location was unknown for a while.

As far as Genetics go, Hes always said that Summers DNA was pure Mutant. So to a degree it must not have mattered which Summers brother he had just which one he had access to. And what WAS important was what he combined it with....i.e. a Grey.

@pyrofn@iamre321 i find it odd out of the 2 sinister tested scott was superior to Alex............but if sinister has vulcan tested, it would be vulcan numbers 1, scott a close second and then alex ha ha

but i thought vulcan got more power cause of the scarlett witch turned off the mutant gene........beast said all that "energy" had to go somewhere

I believe you're confusing him with Michael Pointer, I don't remember that happening to Vulcan...

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/michael-pointer/4005-7600/

And yes it is strange that Sinister concluded that Scott is the more viable specimen over Alex, who has greater abilities with fewer drawbacks, I think Sinister's obsession with Scott was started by meeting Scott who time travelled along with jean to his origin point, when Sinister first met Apocalypse, rather than an objective assessment of him and his brothers...

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@red_paladin_: Is Maddie a perfect copy of Jean? Genetically speaking? Also what about Jean's other siblings?

Really depends on how Sinister Cloned her, I always assumed she was about as close as an Identical twin, however Sinister's chart seems to count them as the same person, (possibly because Jean took on her memories at some point) Sinister dismissed the possibility of Jean's Siblings because they didn't display Mutant abilities, although Sarah commented that her Kid's might be mutants I'm not sure if that was later confirmed...

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@koays said:

@red_paladin_: He has never once stated that powerset's had anything to do with his Summers obsession. Whereas he has expressed interest in other mutants powers.

If it is something in the Summers X-Gene, then he doesn't care about their powers. When he cloned Maddie from Jean she didn't develop any of her powers and he still paired her up with Scott.

As far as the Summers and Grey mix, it's been stated that he spent years influencing genetic lines around the world and he found that a combination of the Summers and Grey bloodlines would result in a powerful mix.

Then by that logic Scott isn't adding anything to the mix, if his powerset is irrelevant, then his X-gene that gives him his abilities is also irrelevant, to Sinister's plan, this claim of Sinister's would have more weight if all of Scott's direct line were Mutants, that Sinister had manipulated the various marriages and relationships and Scott happened to be the one to inherit all the Trait's Sinister wanted, up to that point, however that is not the case, Scott isn't some multi powered Superman, honestly there are real life exotic cat breeders that would have done a better job than Sinister planing this out...

Maddie still had the potential for Jean's abilities, even if they weren't active, she would of been close to identical genetically...

Sinister unlikely had any influence over Jeans line prior to her, the Dark Mother Jean's ancestor had used her precognitive talents to plan many of the marriages of her descendants, she had mentioned having been aware of Jeans abilities as well, however he did have influence over Shaw's line certainly...

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