Fair enough, that's one of his best works in general too.
@marvelman92 said:
@blackspidey2099 said:
@zariusii said:
@blackspidey2099 said:
@zariusii said:
Slott and Gage have collaborated on the story line of the PS4 game...so ironically, all the stuff you like about MJ in this may have to be credited to them.
TBH, I actually like Slott's MJ for the most part (except Power Play) so I don't mind. And Slott wrote a really good story (IMO) for Shattered Dimensions, so as long as he channels that this story should be good.
We'll agree to disagree here. While Slott's pre OMD MJ and RYV MJ are both good, his Mephistoverse "MJ" has been terrible in most if not all of her appearances except for Spider-Island (and even that's pushing it, I didn't particularly care for her attitude there either)
Sure, that's fine by me (tbh I'd amend my earlier statement to saying I liked Slott's MJ pre-Superior), but when did Slott write MJ pre-OMD? Do you mean just the Spider-Man/Human Torch mini?
@marvelman92 said:
@blackspidey2099 said:
@marvelman92: Well, in general Peter's supporting cast shouldn't be in this movie since it is a Miles movie that needs to introduce Miles' supporting cast, not Peter's. Furthermore, I especially don't want to see Peter being a father AND Spider-Man at the same time since that is completely irresponsible (and, as such, OOC) for him. It's okay in RYV since that isn't the main Peter and we can say he isn't as committed to "with great power comes great responsibility" but it shouldn't happen in any mainstream media or 616.
Well, Both MJ And Annie Could Make Some Cameos. And Dude, Really? Peter Being A Superhero And A Father Doesn't Make Him Anything Out Of Character. It's Really His Responsibility To Handle Both Things. Whether Or Not He Actually Gives Up Being Spider-Man Because Of His Status As A Married Man And A Father, It Doesn't Take Away His Moral Nor His Sense Of Responsibilities. It's Something That Could Actually Help Develop The Character Even Further. So, Him Being A Father While Being Spider-Man Doesn't Really Take Away Anything From The Guy.
Umm... purposefully putting his children in danger by being a superhero as well as a father is completely irresponsible and completely OOC. Either Peter retires from being Spider-Man or he doesn't have kids. Being both completely spits in the face of his whole character ethos.
While The Guy Is Recovering In His Comics With Series Like RYV, Spider-Man/Deadpool, PP:SM, And ASM If The Editorial Tries To Make Sure That Slott Doesn't Do Anything Ridiculous As Well As His Appearances In Venom By Mike Costa
Also, Slott's not the most consistently good writer (lots of plot holes in his stories recently, and he occasionally makes Peter act like a complete idiot), but if you seriously think the bloodthirsty "I want to murder the Venom symbiote" Peter by Costa is any better, then I'd really like to try some of what you're smoking. You know Peter has taken a vow not to kill right? He didn't even kill Osborn. But somehow he thinks it is rational to kill the symbiote (who is a bonafide hero) thanks to Costa...
About Peter Being A Father:
Look, I Get That Trying To Juggle Between Being A Father, Husband, And Hero Is Hard. But, Him Being A Hero While Taking Care Of His Family Is Really Not All That Irresponsible For Him To Do. Especially In The Work Of Fiction. It Really Doesn't Make Him Anything So Much As A Bad Person Nor Anything Irresponsible. It Just Make Him Develop And Have Us Follow The Journey Alongside The Character. And That Really Never Stopped The Guy While He Was Married. You Could Do Some Smart And Interesting Ways Of Him Being A Husband And A Father Without Him Being Any More Irresponsible. I Mean, If He Doesn't Have Any Children, Then Where's The Story And Satisfaction That Our Hero Deserves? And If He Retires Completely, Then Where's The Story. Point Is, Peter Needs To Develop And Have His Own Story Intact. Otherwise It'd Be Just Boring And Sad For Him To Not Have Any Of Those Things.
Peter Has Done A Whole Lot Worse Under Slott In His Time In ASM. So, While Peter Trying To Kill The Symbiote Was Kinda Being Out Of Character For The Guy, I'd Take It That Peter Just Doesn't Really Trust The Symbiote With What Has Been Going On Or Probably Some Other Story Behind It. Also. Despite That Kind Of Problem, Costa Has Handled Peter Pretty Well Overall Minus The Symbiote As He Doesn't Really Want To Nor Try To Kill Anyone Even Eddie And Flash.
It's not about the fact that it's hard to juggle being a hero, being a father, and having a job, it's the FACT that being a hero and a father means he is knowingly and purposefully placing his daughter in harm's way. Making him a completely irresponsible father. Furthermore, it makes him an irresponsible hero too, since, if a villain were to kidnap Annie and take her hostage, Peter would be forced to comply with whatever demands the villain had, even if that resulted in the villain destroying the city/world, just so he could rescue his daughter. And I fail to see why having a child is necessary for Peter to develop; there are many other paths his story can take which don't also make him a completely irresponsible person. I also don't see why having a child has anything to do with the "story and satisfaction" Peter deserves - plenty of people have extremely satisfactory lives without children. I do agree with the fact that Peter retiring completely kinda ends the story, which is why Peter should not retire and instead just not have kids.
Okay, your anti-Slott bias is just ludicrous now. Peter under Slott hasn't done anything near as morally incorrect as breaking his own moral code and trying to murder a fellow hero in the symbiote. Even if Peter doesn't trust the symbiote anymore, betraying and/or committing murder is completely OOC. The Punisher is probably more lethal than the symbiote, and yet Peter doesn't try to murder him or even put him in jail.
Even more ludicrous is this sentence: "Costa Has Handled Peter Pretty Well Overall Minus The Symbiote As He Doesn't Really Want To Nor Try To Kill Anyone Even Eddie And Flash." Peter NOT trying to kill anyone else (except for Venom) means that he is being written well? Are you even reading your post? By those standards, Slott is the best writer ever, since his Peter hasn't tried to kill anyone at all, including the symbiote.
Also, How Is Whatever Costa Had Written Any Worse Than How Slott Had Handled The Character Post Superior? You Even Try To Defend The Guy For Whatever Actions That6 Slott Had To Take In His Series No Matter How Out Of Character Nor Out Of Place His Stuff Post Superior Had Been. So, I Really Don't See How Costa Was Any Worse Here.
Are you kidding me? I haven't defended Slott for quite a while, but you can't seriously compare moments of Peter being OOC like when he stupidly didn't back up his Parker Industries data, or when he spent weeks moping around after Parker Industries demise instead of making a new company, to trying to commit murder. And Slott at least also has done a lot of positive things for Peter, like getting him the job at Horizon Labs and Parker Industries. Costa hasn't done anything but wreck it.
@ursaber:
Peter should have kids if he wants to, which he does. They'll always be in danger whether he's a hero or not so long as they exist in the Marvel Universe. To chastise himself for what might happen is a terrible way to live. I know your thoughts full well on Peter having a kid and overall on RYV, yet by virtue of him simply having a kid and being Spider Man, you can be sure the writers won't tough the kid's life at all even if she does get put in danger and anyone that lives being a superhero, his surrounding friends family or even strangers will be caught up in the fire. That's just how it is. In truth heroes are also outlaws and consciously irresponsible, breaking into places, ignoring laws, etc. Everything they do and are is a 50/50 trade of responsibility and irresponsibility.
Well, there's a difference between his kids being in danger by way of something random like general Marvel stuff and his kids being in danger because villains like Doc Ock and Green Goblin will want to kidnap them, torture them, and kill them... Like I said, Peter should only have kids if he completely erased his former identity (possibly faked his death with help from SHIELD) and started with a fake name for himself and MJ (or whoever else). I also wouldn't say breaking a law to save people or stop crime is irresponsible.
I believe when Peter states he wants to murder or kill, its all just talk. He said the same thing to Osborn after he killed Gwen and he didn't go through with it. Its anger talking but Peter won't kill consciously (cause sadly he has killed inadvertently).
He tried to murder Venom by dropping the Anti-venom serum on it (the serum destroys the Venom symbiote when they touch) but thankfully Flash saved Venom. So it isn't all talk. And he tried to have Venom captured and incarcerated by betraying Venom's trust in Venom #4, despite knowing Venom was trying to be a hero and was being literally mind-r*ped by Lee.
And even if it was all just talk, that is still OOC since Peter KNOWS that Venom is now a hero and that the reason it was evil before was because it was insane and because its hosts were corrupting it.
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