QuasarPrime

I like how both Superwoman and Giganta are shown here!

Do they appear in anymore detail or elsewhere within the book?

@overmonitor: I applauded (by carefully and respectfully listening to what others posted) then peacefully posted my own viewpoints.

You came on and attacked me in your subjective and ignorant rant (s).

On the other hand, I didn't disregard the stories you mentioned, I stated I have never read them. I included information about a topic you mentioned, Adamantium, and even asked you a question regarding it. I also included info (strength level listed by Marvel) on Skaar as you specifically mention Skaar. In writing this post, I went back and rechecked Skaar's strength level (see below) to make sure I was not in error. I could have been, but in this case I was not.

I didn't just post to write something; I know what I am talking about. I wanted to share my thoughts with others. I take umbrage to your attack, telling me to "read Marvel dude", that I should not make a conversion chart, and that I am so wrong that it is on purpose. WT!?

This is how you interact with others. You simply do not play nice, you name-call and get nasty. It's all about you. That is NOT the way I operate and won't stoop down to your level.

If you read the MarvelUniverse.com info on Skaar, they do indeed list him as lifting 90 tons. Fact. Not hypocritical. TRUTH, like Diana's Lasso thereof!

You cannot change what Marvel themselves have written about THEIR characters. Sorry.

And, this IS a Wonder Woman thread, NOT a Carol Danvers thread. If you are so into Carol and whatever current name/persona/powers she has at the current moment, then maybe you need to start one over there and argue with anyone who does not agree with you regarding Carol and all her strength.

The question asked here was: "Is WW the same level as MM?" I answered a resounding "NO, she is way above MM level." That is my viewpoint.

PERIOD.

End of Discussion with you.

You ARE the weakest link. Goodbye!

Dude, you are a very argumentative individual!

I am getting this from Marvel and from DC, thank you very much.

Never heard nor saw any of the stories you tell above. Skaar can't hit Hulk with a 100 trillion ton punch, no, since he is only a 90-tonner strength wise. That means hitting Hulk with a 90 ton punch. Thor never dented Adamantium, which is impervious and indestructible in its true form. Secondary Adamantium, can be destroyed and people such as Wonder Man have smashed it. Perhaps this is the Adamantium to which you refer Thor denting? But True Adamantium = Inertron.

I can make whatever Conversion Chart I please and I don't resort to being rude and obnoxious to do it! It's based off of the standards that both companies have for their own characters. Marvel is not DC and vice versa. DC characters have always been more physically powerful and usually more powerful in non-physical expressions as well. Today, low-level street fighters from both companies are fairly even and in the energy/powers dept, for the most part, Marvel seems to excel these days.

But in sheer physical might, DC is still tops. Sorry, but true. I love both companies' characters equally, but I can't say Ms M is equal to WW just to suit you, 'cause it ain't true, no way, no how! DC and Marvel do not have to be interchangeable and they really are not. My Conversion Chart allows some of the strongest Marvel folks (men and women) to place closer to their DC "Counterparts" but it doesn't just place them at even keel with Superman, Wonder Woman Capt Marvel, etc.

Now, perhaps, one can make the argument that a top Marvel character can be equated to the top DC character (in strength) and then continue to do this so that the top strongest Marvel becomes equaled to the top strongest DC. But that really just ranks each company and assumes and presumes that both sides are even and equal for each character, which is not the case, as I state in the paragraph above.

As Judge Judy would say, stop talking and put on your listening ears. Maybe you can learn something. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not at the cost of constantly arguing with all other posters.

I applaud and accept the viewpoints from the opposing side, and with others who state that Carol is Marvel's Diana and the idea that if DC characters were brought into the MU, they would coincide to the Marvel strength scale. That is just not my take on it.

Well, sort of in the sense you mention. But in pure strength? I don't believe that to be true. Case in point. Marvel has had Thor listed as 95 tons and then later at 100 tons. Thor is over 100 tons, maybe about 125 to no more than 150. However, the truest measure would most likely be no more than 125. Indeed, the Marvel RPG has had Thor listed as "Monstrous" Strength (up to 90 tons) and "Unearthly" strength which is 100 tons and no more than 125 tons. If he, or anyone else was really 400, 800 or even 1000 tons strong, they would have listed them as "Class 1000", which they did not.

Thor's mystic hammer, Mjolnir, is indeed powerful, nigh indestructible, ultra-dense and strong, casting lightning, dimension warps, energy from these warps and allows Thor to control the weather and to fly. But his hammer has been damaged in the past and even broken/destroyed (but then remade). Likewise WW also has mystical weapons and more than one. She can fly without aid.

Also, Thor cannot be that high, because he also has his Belt of Strength which doubles his strength when worn. Kurse is twice as strong as Thor with his Belt of Strength (4X stronger than Thor alone), and Kurse is not at 4000 or even 3000 or even 1000. Kurse is about 600 tons strong. There have been higher strength showings. And Marvel does have a few this strong or stronger still but not many in toto, and not at WW level nor Superman equal.

I am working on a Conversion Chart so that Marvel characters become closer to the DC ones. They will never be equal, because they are not and the disparities go from top to bottom. For instance, if I raise Thor to = WW or Superman in strength, then someone at 50 tons like Sabra or Rogue (before losing her super-strength) would then be at Supergirl or Donna Troy's level, despite truly not being anywhere near that strength.

I think I can shed some light on this.

Baroness Von Gunther was used in the first episode of season 1, which began in 1976.

The initial premier of Wonder Woman was a two-hour long 1975 made-for TV movie starring Stella Stevens as a Nazi spy named Marsha working for Steve Trevor in the War Department as his personal secretary. She was 1940's slinky-sexy and was allowed to wear street clothes. Diana and Marsha have a long fight, the longest and most "violent" of the entire 59 episodes! Marsha could withstand the brief onslaught because she was Nuremberg's judo champ. The WW music them blared from beginning to end of the fight. It was great!

The series picked up in 1976 with the first episode with the Baroness Paula von Gunther, played by actress Christine Belford. Diana and Paula tussled alittle near the end of the show, with the musical song going on in the background!

Maybe the 3rd or 4th episode had a blonde "sort-of" Paula von Gunther character, a blonde Nazi woman played by actress Linda Day George. She dressed like WW to fool the Americans and with her scientific knowledge, captured and restrained WW. She said that "WW demonstrates nothing that I myself cannot accomplish" in terms of lifting a heavy barbell. The two have a minor throw-around, before she comes around to help Steve, Diana and company depart Germany.

Actress, News anchor and star Jayne Kennedy appears in Season 2 (Modern era WW) as a terrorist who had once loved Steve. Supposedly, if the series had not been cancelled after the 3rd season in 1979 at the last minute, they were going to use Jayne as Nubia in Season 4. Darn!! That is what I wanted to see!

(Whew!) That's all from memory folks!

And other than Actors/comedians/mimes Shields and Yarnell, who appeared in Season 2, I don't believe any other major characters from the comics were seen, and less major stars seemed to appear (at least to the ole mem'ry) in WW than other TV shows at that time. Yarnell played Formicida, a woman scientist with the human equivalent of an ant, granting her superhuman strength with which she battles WW twice.

Yeah, much as I like Carol, she is NOWHERE near Diana's power/strength level, not even in Binary form!

The reason I think so many people are deluded into thinking Carol is Marvel's answer to WW, is because they WANT a Marvel answer to WW and because both are strong, durable and can fly, they always have threads online about it. I never see someone compare Thundra to WW, which also isn't a comparison, but a better one in the fact of a Femizon Vs Amazon.

In terms of strength, the DC characters are far far above the "Class 100" that Marvel uses. And while the ultra-strong top-tier of Marvel may even be at 400-800 tons, DC top-tiers are much, much higher than that level.

@willienotwilliam: I wasn't fully aware of that. Thanks for the info. I think I do remember the initial Nubia being affectionately called the "Black Wonder Woman" when she first appeared, but I didn't know that she really WAS Wonder Woman in one dimension.

Another interesting fact is that Superwoman is the evil version of Wonder Woman!

Nubia, SW and WW are all very equal in powers and skills and abilities, and yet, all three are also quite different and possess different skills and abilities. That is why I think it would be a great idea for those 2 women to be added to Diana's Rogues. I really can't believe writers never came up with that idea themselves long ago.

There are many web sites out there stating how Diana doesn't really have a "rogues gallery" if you will, at least not one since the Pre-Crisis stories as large as her contemporary male counterparts Superman and Batman. Indeed many of those Pre-Crisis villains aren't around now.

Wonder Woman does have Ares, other gods and goddesses and basically Cheetah. Diana does need more "main" foes. Some should even be super-strong and at times, get the upper hand. I like Giganta for this reason, plus in the DCU, she is unique.

Two more villains who are both super-strong and very-close-to Wonder Woman in terms of abilities and powers are .................................................................................................................................................................................

Nubia and

Superwoman (of the Crime Syndicate).

Not sure if they are around in the NU-52 though, but both can give WW a hard time and with good writing, at least help to fill in the Rogues Gallery until more new enemies can be created.

I really think that if DC does not get everything "right" for Wonder Woman, everyone will say, "See, nothing here worthwhile" and no more WW movies will be made. Look at how long it took even for this cameo to happen!

Getting everything right means her height, build, voice, poise, acting and costume as well as fight sequences. From what I have seen of the current "brown" costume, ardent fans won't like it (I don't) and it tends to "bland down" expectations of WW. Is she going to appear as just another fighter, albeit a female? Another Xena?

I think they need to do a comic-costume, perhaps the current one, with muted blue/red and silver. It will at least hype up the fans, making them want to see the movie. The other points I mentioned above will then need to carry WW in the film, once fans are in the audience.

I haven't read these titles. Were they any good? Any reason why WW was cancelled?