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Again, why are you even bringing mid-tiers into this? 1000x isn't literal

It's not literal? Proof? Idk why beating heralds or being able to easily bat away high tiers is "mid tier" calibre.

4 continental waves

Combined? Plus you're basing this on WWH, who was still holding back.

He only held it for a short time before kal kent came with his force vision or something

Kal Kent with his Force Vision capable of holding a galaxy wide blast, yes. Kyle barely held it together.

His life wasn't threatened

Actually it was, Solaris was going to figure out a perfect plan to kill them all if he didn't succeed and Batman told Kyle as such.

Nuh-uh. It does in serious situations

Kyle being threatened with death and easily defeated by the likes of Psimon in a fight isn't "serious"? Is it supposed to be funny?

CA alone is too much for them

Proof?

Wally will just time travel

No he won't. Wally hasn't time travelled even when his own wife has been in extreme danger.

Oh and I know you're going to bring out the jobbing factor since that is your entire argument

It isn't but another weak strawman helps me a lot.

We have already seen hal's power go way up his usual level like killing krona

Weakened Krona. Earlier in the same run he did nothing to Krona with a full power blast and even he mocked him for it.

killing parallax-amped sinestro

Is a outlier by your own admission.

Provided they are outliers but they do show something and that is an increase in power in lanterns when on adrenaline

So by that logic, Hulk's gonna be shaking infinite dimensions because of adrenaline and danger?

So, you'll agree with whatever's written in the comic?

....yes? The 1000x amped thing was granted by a direct stated wish, it wasn't a metaphorical amp, or hidden boost, or fan-calc. The wish was for them to get that much stronger, and they did. There is no other way to see it as anything but literal.

Exactly. You're putting it like kyle had to do all the work and then label it as an outlier

I didn't label it as a outlier: I simply stated the fact that he couldn't deal with lesser in the same story when not prepared. Kyle needed to be briefed on what he needed to do exactly, have Batman explain it on the field, and then he did it for a bit.

Not immediate. I have already shown you instances of lanterns getting amped when on adrenaline

Outliers, as you have already stated. Does adrenaline (which this Hulk has the most of obviously) mean Hulk can do outliers now? Can he shake infinite dimensions? Can he bust a meteor 2x the size of Earth in a weaker form because of that adrenaline?

Hal blew a hole right through a teambuster when the lanterns life was threatened

Who is this "teambuster"?

His fight with manhattan

Manhattan wasn't even taking him seriously.

But he has time travelled recently to save himself. Speedsters don't travel back in time because of the consequences in the timestream

Actually it was stated in Flash: Rebirth that Eobard was the first speedster to time travel without the treadmill being used or any assistance. Obviously that gets ignored but that kinda proves that they really aren't supposed to be able to do that.

I showed you recent two instances of speedsters travelling in time under their own power

You're saying it like they do it to any major threat: they don't. Consistency is the backbone of debating and no "adrenaline" suddenly makes the issue of such irrelevant.

Ulik was amped and yet got stomped by thor. And even if he was really amped then he wouldn't have been literally disintegrated by a planet busting blast. We have already established that WBH's gamma waves are not planet busting so no point in arguing that feat.

Not really. Batman didn't do much explaining He just told kyle to create a nova and contain it. Kyle basically started a nuclear chain reaction causing the sun to explode and then contained the exploding star. It's not rocket science. Besides WBH's waves are continental and four hulks will have planetary waves and that's highballing it.

Fine outlier but they have shown feats that they normally aren't capable of. Like stomping an amped zod when serious when hal usually couldn't so. And it common logic, lanterns powers are based upon willpower, focus and determination. They're going to have plenty of that here.

Amped Krona?

Proof?

Eobard was the first but that doesn't mean he was the last. We have seen flashes do time travel without the cosmic treadmill in rebirth, so why bother arguing it?

A lot of the times they don't because of writer's limitations and plot. We don't have that. We are supposed to take them as using at the best of their abilities. You ignore that and only focus on the times where they suffered from PIS/WIS/CIS. How many times do I have to tell you that they don't do that because of the potential dangers in the time stream? Barry did a simple thing like save his mother and it turned the world, literally, upside down. When barry learned that in rebirth, he thought he was responsible of New 52(but he wasn't). That's why barry was repeatedly deterring wally from travelling back in time which caused the flash war. Because sometimes the changes in the timeline are more important than their current situations. If they simply travelled back in time to prevent any danger, then it could possibly end up doing more harm than good. That's why speedsters don't travel and they know it. Here there is no plot.

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May give it to the marvel team.

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@marvelfan1992: With morals on I'd definitely give it to the greys. Without the morals it becomes difficult to assume.

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Again, why are you even bringing mid-tiers into this? 1000x isn't literal

It's not literal? Proof? Idk why beating heralds or being able to easily bat away high tiers is "mid tier" calibre.

4 continental waves

Combined? Plus you're basing this on WWH, who was still holding back.

He only held it for a short time before kal kent came with his force vision or something

Kal Kent with his Force Vision capable of holding a galaxy wide blast, yes. Kyle barely held it together.

His life wasn't threatened

Actually it was, Solaris was going to figure out a perfect plan to kill them all if he didn't succeed and Batman told Kyle as such.

Nuh-uh. It does in serious situations

Kyle being threatened with death and easily defeated by the likes of Psimon in a fight isn't "serious"? Is it supposed to be funny?

CA alone is too much for them

Proof?

Wally will just time travel

No he won't. Wally hasn't time travelled even when his own wife has been in extreme danger.

Oh and I know you're going to bring out the jobbing factor since that is your entire argument

It isn't but another weak strawman helps me a lot.

We have already seen hal's power go way up his usual level like killing krona

Weakened Krona. Earlier in the same run he did nothing to Krona with a full power blast and even he mocked him for it.

killing parallax-amped sinestro

Is a outlier by your own admission.

Provided they are outliers but they do show something and that is an increase in power in lanterns when on adrenaline

So by that logic, Hulk's gonna be shaking infinite dimensions because of adrenaline and danger?

So, you'll agree with whatever's written in the comic? People have been amped 1000x times and still stomped by their usual equals. Terrax is too much of a jobber to consider his fights. Ironman is not a high tier.

Yes 4 continental waves combined. They would be planetary at best. We don't really have another quantifiable way of gauging WBH's gamma rays' offensive output.

Exactly. You're putting it like kyle had to do all the work and then label it as an outlier. But, kyle only held it for a short time and that's why it isn't an outlier or something like that.

Not immediate. I have already shown you instances of lanterns getting amped when on adrenaline.

Kyle's girlfriend was killed and he got seriously amped up. Hal blew a hole right through a teambuster when the lanterns life was threatened. He broke through the limits of his ring while chasing lightray.

His fight with manhattan.

But he has time travelled recently to save himself. Speedsters don't travel back in time because of the consequences in the timestream. They are held back by their moral compass. We have already seen villains with the speedforce do time shenanigans like when deathstroke ran back in time to save his son. Heroes don't do that even when their life is threatened. Here they won't have their morals. Not to mention a lot of the times they are limited by plot consistency and some shit. There ain't no plot here.

Not weakened. And this time he got more powerful due to his upsurge in power levels. Like when got stomped by zod the first time but then stomped him the next time because of him letting go a bit.

I said they were outliers but they show something and that is the increase in power levels when characters don't have morals or get more serious.

I showed you recent two instances of speedsters travelling in time under their own power, yet you try to contradict them by stating decade long low-ends. You're gonna do that every time? Lanterns have got more powerful in life-death situations. You can't seem to understand that and keep on bringing low-ends or PIS. Writers favor plot over feats. They don't always think about feats like we do. That's why sometimes we are willing to dismiss heroes' weak moments as PIS or WIS. You can keep presenting their low ends but if that's all you have got then you are not really worth these long ass posts I am typing.

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Greys win. Literally all of the people on team 2 are superior to team 1. Although silver surfer and shaman nate is arguable. What are the morals? Because they play a crucial role in SS power levels.

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Flash wins. He's faster and has more hax.

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Again, why are you even bringing mid-tiers into this? 1000x isn't literal.

4 continental waves aren't something lanterns can shield against? What kind of lowballing is this?

He only held it for a short time before kal kent came with his force vision or something. His life wasn't threatened and he has managed to achieve more impressive feats.

Combat? You mean when lanterns barely put into effort their power and get smacked by the likes of rebirth superman and such? Sure, if this would have been a random encounter and their life wasn't on the line. Not exactly the case here.

Nuh-uh. It does in serious situations. And tbh it isn't jobbing all the times. Heroes especially lanterns hold back a lot and also don't put much willpower in fighting random gangsters or thugs. Four giant, behemoths sending off 4x continental waves aren't something to be taken seriously.

More than five, but more than half of the team is fodder. CA alone is too much for them. As for the rest, namely wally, hal and kyle, they aren't gonna be cool after seeing their beloved companions blown apart by gamma radiation. Wally will just time travel or do a couple IMPs. Hal and kyle will conjure shields and contribute to the ass-kicking. Oh and I know you're going to bring out the jobbing factor since that is your entire argument kyle didn't job much after seeing his dead girlfriend stuffed in a refrigerator, same goes for hal when he got serious and stomped an amped zod. We have already seen hal's power go way up his usual level like killing krona, killing parallax-amped sinestro. Provided they are outliers but they do show something and that is an increase in power in lanterns when on adrenaline. Wally didn't job much after killing his teammates and then he time travelled to frame harley or booster as the murderer. This proves that speedsters don't forget about their time travel, they just don't use it due to its severely harmful consequences in the timestream. As also witnessed in flash war. Basically desperate times call for desperate measures. But sure, "jobbing" right?