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@kotetsu454 You gonna post your reply soon man?

Ah shoot I've kept ya waiting haven't I? Been plugging away at it a little bit at a time after work every night. Not finished yet though. I'll try an have it by Sunday or Monday night.

I shoulda warned you I was one of the slower debaters before starting this.

Alright. :D

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Heihachi takes this one in my opinion.

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#4  Edited By POCULARTUNOS

So here is my round 2 post, read up. :)

Countering your counters

Jin's healing versus Nero's healing

I have to admit, Jin's healing is in fact worse than Nero's, there are not any feats to show it is better therefore I have to give you that one.

Jin's speed versus Nero's speed

This calculation will show you how truly fast Jin is and also why Nero would not be able to dodge his Hell-fire beams.

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Now this calculation shows that Kazuya can fire his laser at 67x the speed of light, this is how fast most characters possessing the devil gene can fire there lasers if not faster. Jin's devil form is more powerful as stated by Claudio Serafino who is by the way, an exorcist.

Now here I will post some more speed feats.

Here it is shown that Lars is a bullet timer easily and consistently, also he is fast enough to deflect a missile, pretty impressive. Lars and Jin have duked it out and Jin easily kept pace with him.

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Here it is shown that Heihachi is also as fast as a speeding missile as he launches it back at his opponents with a powerful kick.

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Jin's strength versus Nero's strength

Now the feats I have shown in the speed section could also be used as strength feats seeing as you would have to be pretty strong to do any of what they did, now I will list some strength feats below.

Here it is shown that Raven can lift and throw NANCYM1847J easily and also hold off its next attack as well. This is a great feat for Jin seeing as he is much stronger than Raven which has been shown throughout the game, therefore Jin is an 80+ Tonner. (Starts at around 02:42)

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Here it is shown that Kazuya can survive a satellite beam which destroys the entire G-Corp headquarters and leaves destruction around it as well easily.

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Now the above durability feat will play into a great strength feat below as I show proof that Heihachi can hit immensely hard seeing as he beats Kazuya out of devil form when this satellite beam couldn't even do it. Also this fight in general shows a lot of strength as they send eachother flying very far as well as causing a lot of environmental damage. (Skip to around 06:40 to see where it happens)

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Here it is shown that True Ogre can easily destroy Helicopters with a single attack. Ogre has defeated many powerful Tekken fighters and stolen there ability's, Jin Kazama defeated Ogre without entering devil form, thus showing he is much more skilled in combat than Nero as well as stronger.

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This next clip will show Jin's strength as well as some new power's of his not previously mentioned.

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As you can see in this video Jin surrounds himself with an aura that causes a surge of darkness to spread, this (I would believe) makes Jin physically stronger; Jin also manifests a force-field and blocks many incoming Devil-Beams from Azazel himself, the most powerful demon in the entire Tekken-verse. Jin then proceeds to one-shot Azazel and drag him off the cliff with him. (Go to 03:20 to see the fight start)

Azazel has regeneration ability's such as healing back lost limbs but Jin hit him so hard he couldn't regenerate anything. Azazel possessed the power to destroy the planet as it was stated in Tekken 6 that if two evil stars were to clash, a great evil would awaken and destroy the world, you could however say; "Well that doesn't mean Azazel is planetary, it just means he could destroy the surface of the world, or maybe the people on it!" However, in Tekken 7 Nina finally confirmed Azazel as planetary as I will show below....

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Now I think that is good enough confirmation along with the fact that the entirety of the Tekken 6 game focused around a prophecy which stated if the two evil stars clashed that the 'Evil one' would be released and bring about the destruction of the world. This puts Jin at planetary level.

Jin's Durability versus Nero's durability

Kazuya surviving that Satellite beam really is a great feat and it is also a durability feat for Jin since he devil form is the strongest in Tekken, his durability is even higher than that; This also means that his durability must be higher than Heihachi's since Kazuya defeated Heihachi. This means Devil Jin is durable enough to survive Akuma's Messatsu seeing as Heihachi did so, watch. (Skip to 08:25)

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This is an insane durability feat seeing as no one had ever canonically survived Akuma's Messatsu (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that, I don't know much about SF) until Heihachi. Tekken and Street-fighter are a shared universe and that means Tekken's Akuma is the same and therefore just as powerful as Street-fighter's Akuma who has: Split an island in half https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVkEGnfP5x4 and leveled a forest https://youtu.be/hZmj6Y0-N6E?t=1m51s These are some pretty insane feats, and to see Heihachi surviving in a fight against Akuma is insane; Especially since Jin is even more powerful than Heihachi.

Akuma has a moral code as well, he will not show his true power to who he is fighting if they are much weaker than him and he only fights opponents he deems worthy, this means Heihachi is immensely powerful seeing as Akuma fought and showed his true power (Messatsu) against him, this feat scales to Jin very well.

Well I have now shown that Heihachi and Kazuya can survive island busting attacks and have, this therefore shows that Jin is even higher than island level when it comes to durability.

Jin's ability to fly versus Nero's ability to adapt

Honestly all your video's of Nero "Adapting" to flying enemy's aren't that impressive, he defeats them because they fly at and attack him with melee strikes, also it is shown that he cannot stop them if they stay out of his reach seeing as his girlfriend (?) keeps getting held out of his reach and stolen from him. His devil arms grip doesn't seem to be able to hold enemy's back for long either seeing as Echidna just escaped by wriggling.

These feats of "Adaption" don't show any way that Nero could successfully deal with Jin staying far out of reach of Nero and just blasting him to death with his incredibly fast Hell-fire beams, which by the way I believe are too fast for Nero to dodge at all and seeing as Dante easily dodges Nero's attack, Devil Jin could dodge the attacks from Nero easily or use his force-field to block them while Nero on the other hand could not.

Jin's range versus Nero's range

I think I have shown with the feat of Kazuya blasting that satellite out of space that Jin has far better range than Nero.

Retorts to your challenges

1: Ahh, I see that the gif of Jin surviving in space is from TTT2, therefore it is not canon; I didn't realise it was from that game when I posted it, please discard that feat.

2: Now yes, you had debunked Jack surviving an island busting attack but I think I have provided sufficient evidence that they are still incredibly strong, seeing as most of them are 80+ tonners and can also hit even harder than that as I have supplied new evidence to show that they are island busters.

3: The Telekinesis is however still viable; Yes he did not kill Hwoarang with it after destroying his motorcycle but that is because he is best friends with Hwoarang; They are best friends and rivals. Jin can control himself to an extent when he is possessed by the devil gene seeing as he spared Heihachi's life at one time and that is someone he actually wanted to kill. Jin would not kill hwoarang, plain and simple, that is why he lived through there encounter.

Jin could use this freely and easily in fights If he so wished seeing as Kazuya did so and Jin is more powerful than Kazuya, this means his telekinetic ability's also surpass those of Kazuya's. I feel like Harada-Sempai (Tekken creator and producer) doesn't want Jin to use his Telekinetic ability's all the time because it would make his fights less interesting and the outcome would always be obvious. Also it may be due to the fact that Jin is a very honorable man, he may feel as if it is a cheap tactic and not like to use it as much; Although if he is blood-lusted then he would go all in.

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My second post is up @kotetsu454

(Sorry for the sloppiness in the 'Jin's speed versus Nero's speed' section, I don't know how to fix that)

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@poculartunos: We still doin this bud?

Yeah, sorry for the long wait; I have been kind of busy lately, gonna try to post it up today or tomorrow at the latest.

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@poculartunos: I'm about half way done as of now (it's late and I just don't have the energy to continue at the moment). I have This Saturday off from work so that is more than likely when my reply will be up and ready to go.

Alright cool. :)

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For sure! A year is just giving BM an obvious win imo.

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Introducing: Devil Jin Kazama, the King of the Iron fist tournament

Jin Kazama is the son of Kazuya (Father) and Jun (Mother) Mishima. He took his mother's surname and battles Heihachi and Kazuya frequently, hoping to purge the world of there evil and forever wrest the world of the curse that is the Mishima blood-line.

Strength

Shatters the floor beneath him in a single leaping punch and then goes on to shatter the glass across the side of a building with the mere shockwave from his whiffed punch. Also shown in this video is Kazuya Mishima shattering Jin's motorcycle with a single axe kick; Jin has defeated Kazuya on multiple occasions showing that he too can hit just as hard as that.

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Revives after being shot with dual machine-gun fire and shot point black in the head with what should have been a fatal shot and proceeds to fling a man across an entire room and then easily slam Heihachi through a tough brick wall. This is an insane regenerative feat for Jin as well as a great strength feat seeing as he does all this as an incomplete version of Devil Jin.

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This clearly shows both Heihachi and Kazuya shattering Jack-bots with single attacks; Heihachi headbutts a jack bot making it bounce off the ground, Kazuya then swings it around and throws it through a statue and a wall. The worst version of jack tanked an island busting attack. This shows that at the very least, Kazuya and Heihachi are island busting level when it comes to strength.

Here is the video showin gun-jack (the weakest jack) surviving an island busting attack that completely destroyed everything in sight, the Jacks Kazuya and Heihachi fight are jack 4's, a much better and updated version meaning they would be even more durable.

Canonically Jin is the strongest Mishima, he barely ever loses to Heihachi or Kazuya and it seems like they have no way of handling his devil form effectively. He has shown he is stronger than them and that puts him high above island level strength/striking power.

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I could include more feats but I think I will save them for later, seeing as I believe I have already shown that even normal Jin outclasses Nero in strength.

Telekinesis

Devil Jin possesses telekinetic power's as you can see here, he destroys Hwaorangs motorcycle with a mere wave of his hand.

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Here is yet another feat showing the power of devil Jin's Telekinesis, he can force-choke his enemy and levitate them at will.

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And here it is shown that Kazuya also has great telekinetic power as he forces Heihachi to fly across the room by just looking at him.

Claudio remarks in tekken 7 that "The devil inside Jin surpasses even that of Kazuya". This will truly show how powerful Jin is as I move into the Hellfire-beam feat section. This feat shown here is far before Tekken 7 meaning Devil Kazuya is even stronger now and Jin is even stronger than that.

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Hellfire-Beam/Energy projection

Here It is shown that Devil's Devil-beam can cause massive environmental damage, it Is shown destroying the very floor Kazuya and Akuma stand upon as well as making the volcano erupt (?).

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Here it is shown that Devil Jin can easily destroy Helicopters with his Hellfire-beam as well as tear through the ground in front of him.

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Here it is shown that Kazuya's Devil-beam can easily destroy this satellite, it also shows that his eye-sight is perfect seeing as he can see where the satellite is from earth.

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Durability

Devil Jin is very durable as shown here, he can survive in the outer atmosphere with no problems whatsoever, he also took no burning damage upon entry.

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Also Jin has island level durability which I have already shown seeing as Kazuya and Heihachi are that strong when it comes to striking and Jin has taken many a hit from them.

Also as shown above, Jin has a healing factor seeing as he healed immediately after being shot in the brain.

I have many more durability feats but I would rather save them for later than show them now.

Speed

Heihachi is easily a bullet timer as shown here seeing as he can react and bite down on this bullet with ease. Skip to 3:25.

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A bullet according to this: http://wonderopolis.org/wonder/how-fast-can-a-bullet-travel Travels around 2600 FPS and goes 1800 MPH; The bullet can travel at twice the speed of sound! heihachi is standing about 6(ish) feet from Lars, he would have mere milliseconds to react to the bullet.

Also as shown in the Tekken 7 special chapter video I have posted, Kazuya easily dodges Akuma's Hadoken.

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Seeing as Devil Jin has fought both Heihachi and Kazuya multiple times and can easily dodge there attacks, that puts him at bullet-level speed or higher depending on how fast the Hadoken really was.

Conclusion/Attack options

1: Jin/Devil Jin seems to easily outclass Nero when it comes to strength, he is above island level; He could easily overpower Nero in a hand-to-hand battle if he felt like doing so.

2: According to the speed feats shown, Devil Jin may just match or even be faster than Nero. This means Nero would have even less of a chance of defeating Devil Jin seeing as Devil Jin is very skilled when it comes to many forms of combat.

3: Devil Jin could take a lot of damage before he went down seeing as his healing factor is very advanced, he could heal from many a fatal wound if he were to receive one.

4: Devil Jin has an advantage seeing as he can fly, he could just stay out of Nero's reach and devastate him with his power Hell-fire beams.

5: Devil Jin could easily grab and destroy the body of Nero using Telekinesis if he wanted to, I do not see how Nero would deal with this in any way.

@kotetsu454 I have posted my Introduction.

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@poculartunos: I got to work on my intro quicker than I thought I'd be able to. You mind if i just post it up now?

I don't mind at all, this is my first CAV so I am having a pretty hard time formatting and all that. Feel free to post yours, I shall try to get mine done as quick as I can.

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@asgardianbrony: Thanks for getting this up for us.

@poculartunos You want to go first? I might not have time to start my intro today and I work all day tomorrow.

I will start working on my intro right now, so it should be up soon (hopefully).

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