The country of Lulusia. It has multiple towns, a river, a mountain range, and is called a country many times so it's size is certainly not small.

The hole left. The attack done to Lulusia encompassed the country and then some completely erasing it and causing seaquakes and tsunamis as an immediate side effect.

This hole despite pouring in like a waterfall didn't fill it up despite 6 days passing.

The side effect earthquakes. They affected the entire world with the greatest earthquake ever recorded and since they couldn't determine the epicenter means it's earthquake affected the entire planet a once with the same intensity throughout. Not to mention it affect the people of Wano (elevated land), people on top the Redline (elevated land), people in impel down (sea floor), and every Blue (North, South, West, East) and plenty other area of the planet not matter where.

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The water rised. The worldwide sea level raised by 1 meter.

From a scaling perspective from Vegapunk’s view the Seraphim are the strongest despite the fact he made the aforementioned Mother Flame as such it can be surmised a Seraphim > The Mother Flame.

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Anyways that'll be all for now.

Aokiji would win.

Aokiji was conflicted the entire fight we see this many times to him worrying about Garp, to Garp saying he's not himself since he lost his way, him reminiscing about Garp, etc. Even in the end we see him his faced shadowed as he stands over him obviously not feeling well over what is happening but doing it nonetheless.

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In contrast Garp held no inhibitions like Aokiji and just went at it taking advantage of Aokiji's mindset.

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Aokiji the entire time was only talking about just keeping Garp there and not letting him leave and such.

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Also Aokiji barely used his devil fruit as well only using very small techniques like Ice Glove...

On top of it Aokiji could match Garp a prime/young Garp against the Battleship Bag, and despite his conflicted state could match a punch from Garp.

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And before yall say he's weakened by Shiryu I'll let you know many times Garp himself said it wasn't that effective to him...

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Meanwhile Aokiji's punch left him out on the ground for a while...

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Aokiji would win high diff I think if he went at it without any if his inhibitions not to mention Garp would just gas out early compared to Aokiji who could fight for ten days straight.

Aokiji would win.

Aokiji was conflicted the entire fight we see this many times to him worrying about Garp, to Garp saying he's not himself since he lost his way, him reminiscing about Garp, etc. Even in the end we see him his faced shadowed as he stands over him obviously not feeling well over what is happening but doing it nonetheless.

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In contrast Garp held no inhibitions like Aokiji and just went at it taking advantage of Aokiji's mindset.

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Aokiji the entire time was only talking about just keeping Garp there and not letting him leave and such.

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Also Aokiji barely used his devil fruit as well only using very small techniques like Ice Glove...

On top of it Aokiji could match Garp a prime/young Garp against the Battleship Bag, and despite his conflicted state could match a punch from Garp.

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And before yall say he's weakened by Shiryu I'll let you know many times Garp himself said it wasn't that effective to him...

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Meanwhile Aokiji's punch left him out on the ground for a while...

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Aokiji would win high diff I think if he went at it without any if his inhibitions notbto mention Garp would just gas out early compared to Aokiji who could fight for ten days straight.

Kozuki Momonosuke - The Shogun of Wano - Sakura Dragon - Son of Oden

Momo has grown alot in a short time even quite literally but also in power despite what some might think he is very VERY strong.

PORTRAYAL/PHYSICALS:

Many times called tough, strong, and alike to Oden who has Oden's blood, etc. Has an Artifical Devil Fruit copy of Kaido's Azure Dragon which makes him a copy of Kaido to some degree (as such should be comparable in stats somewhat due to the Devil Fruit and his Innate power from his genes so Momo should who has the dragon scales also be insanely hard to hurt, etc).

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Can pull Onigashima an island and also with his Flame Clouds set it down.

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Beyond being called tough, strong and such by people like Zoro, Yamato. Luffy (all very strong people themselves) along with having the scales of a Sakura Dragon (insanely durable)...

Momo has even taken a few smacks from Greenbull now admittedly Greenbull was trying to get information from them but still Momo could take some hits.

SPEED:

Can dodge a Bolo Breathe from Kaido.

Momo can also somewhat keep up and be comparable to Yamato in speed.

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Also Momo could fly fast enough to catch up with the flying Onigashima which Luffy even notes Momo for being "so fast!!"

POWER:

With a bite and harm Kaido.

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And can shoot a Bolo Breath which is just as strong as Kaido's but it's aim has some to be desired.

Being a copy of Kaido's Boro Breathe (of which can damage top tiers like Kaido and Luffy, blast through islands, encompass an islands worth via Aoe) if Momo gets better control over his raw power he should be able to do things like and control how he shoots it.

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Among other things (like even Kaido's Flaming Drum Dragon perhaps in the future when he gets better).

SWORDSMENSHIP:

Kid Momonosuke has learned some swordsmenship from Zoro and trained very hard learning from him.

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This culminates when after acquiring a knife (not his weapon like a katana) he attempted to escape from Kanjuro a powerful Red Scabbard but got recaptured but in doing so he was able to give Kanjuro a cut across his hand and later survive a deadly beating from Kanjuro.

Now that he has gone through all this amd is now an Adultb he also now thinks he is ready to weild Ame no Habakiri the "twin" to Enma.

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ABILITIES:

Momonosuke has the Voice of All Things (Telepathy essentially being able to sense Poneglyphs, Animals, People, and communicate with them it can even hurt like when Zunesha called to Momo/Luffy).

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Momonosuke also has Observation Haki (sensed Luffy's condition on the rooftop and even knew when he died and such).

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Of which the Voice it talks about is the same as how Observation Haki does so yeah he definitely has it (like Aisa/Koby) also acquired it aswell:

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Anyways Momonosuke's potential is massive between, Oden's body, being best Shogun in the future, going to be the best Samurai, having Kaido's Devil Fruit, having Ame no Habakiri, having Voice of All Things, having acquired Observation Haki already, etc.

Anyways that'll be all for now.

As of this moment via feats Sanji > Zoro

First HEAT:

Sanji's heat has upgraded from the basic red hot prior (said in ennies lobby), orange hot (wano vol cover), and now with Ifrit Jambe blue hot with lightning... meanwhile King's basic fire should be comparable to Orange Hot Sanji in heat...

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Meanwhile Zoro was remarking how even King's basic no named orange hot fire kick "burns."

Zoro "It Burns" < Orange Hot < Blue Hot & Lightning...

Also just a list of terms to referance different versions of Sanji they are as follows:

Base Sanji, Orange Hot Diable Jambe Sanji, Partially Awakened Sanji, Orange Hot Diable Jambe Partially Awakened Sanji, Awakened Sanji, Blue Hot Ifrit Jambe Awakened Sanji.

Second SPEED:

Due to the HEAT section prior you should understand the levels (and therefore speed aswell associated with Sanji).

Orange Hot Diable Jambe Sanji and Zoro are equal in speed

Awakened Orange Hot Diable Jambe went FTE to Queen...

Then Awakened Sanji could go FTE to Queen...

Then Sanji unlocked Ifrit Jambe which made him even faster than all his prior Diable Jambe amps and he went far faster than his Base Awakened speed which was already FTE to Queen...

So Sanji should be FAR faster than Zoro who didn't get that much faster much at all...

Thirdly POWER:

Power isn't nessessarily needed as even just the heat of a Orange Hot Diable Jambe Sanji kick would already be doing decent damage to Zoro before Sanji even begins to start using his barrage/combos ontop of it aswell or his stronger moves or Ifrit Jambe (also just on a general note Sanji is > Jack, and the Scabbards who can harm Kaido).

Okay back to it to establish power we have to understand how durabile Snaji's opponents are... Queen will he the main person to scale off of as he scales to plenty other characters.

Queen can tank a wing wind slash of King's which can overpower and knock around Pre KoH Zoro through his guard yet Queen was only annoyed by it.

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A Base Sanji can damage Queen making him bleed even if slightly despite the fact that we know Queen can tank King's wing wind slashes... and a later Orange Hot Partially Awakened can do a kick which Queen finds impressive (of which once again Queen was annoyed by King's slash but impressed by Sanji's kick...).

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Base Sanji despite being able to do harm Queen like so still gets overpowered by Queen's cybernetics and acknowledges his strength.

Meanwhile a White Hot Diable Jambe Awakened Sanji can in a kick destroy Queen's arm (the same of which he previously thought was "so strong"). And later land a hit which deals some good damage even remarking how some of his previous kicks have been doing some damage.

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And then we get to Ifrit Jambe Awakened Sanji where he gets even more powerful with the kicks having such weight behind them that once hit with a single kick Queen was on his knees dropping his invisibility and couldn't do anything as was too slow and too hurt that he was left on the ground.

Lastly DURABILITY:

Sanji is super durable especially with his Awakened Germa Genes Exoskeleton and Regeneration.

Awakened Sanji could tank attacks he deemed strong while feeling off as his body was undergoing his transformation (it should be noted while undergoing his transformation his body felt off like when he was dodging Queen's lasers).

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Can tank and shatter Queen's sword, and in Egghead no sell a S-Shark attack (S-Shark knows Fishman Karate) without even defending with haki.

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Regenerate his broken bones and destroyed innards.

So yeah Sanji especially if defending with haki will be able to block Zoro's attacks (assuming Zoro will even hit Sanji).

Anyways that'll be all for now.

EXPLAINED:

Here's a video with a simple explanation of the "Achilles and the tortoise:"

Here's the in manga explanation of it and a demonstration of it in practice as well.

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And this is gonna be me trying to explain this concept to yall:

Gojo is surrounded by a finite space but by utilizing limitless in very weird ways he can achieve many things...

The most basic (still hard to explain in my own words though) is his "infinity" as despite what it seems it's less that there's infinite space between you and him and more there is an "infinite" "catching up" "distance" in that the closer you get the smaller and smaller distance you cover (ie 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, etc) making it seem that you "slow down" the farther you try to go towards Gojo. And since you can foreverly keep going 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, etc it means you foreverly slow down and will never "catch up" to Gojo (who's the tortoise in this example).

So there isn't infinite space but just a manipulation of this paradox and what it means to make this "distance" even though in reality that distance is finite and all it is, is Gojo bringing this fantasy phenomenon/paradox/concept into reality and abusing how it works to make things which are essentially impossible possible (like never "catching up" to Gojo).

Either way the distance of it's not an actual infinite space it's entirely fiinite but due to Gojo's powers he can make it seem so making it so you never catch up to Gojo (the tortoise in this example).

THE FILTER:

Now as for the "automatic" part of his infinity... it is essentially verbatim said he relies in his brain to process and "filter" things (whatever they may be via certain criteria) and to make them instead "hit" his infinity.

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COUNTERS:

As such it relying on his brain to "filter" it should then stand to reason if one is fast enough one could bypass this "filter" and land hits on Gojo through his infinity.

It should also be noted that from what I can see Gojo had to dodge a sonic/explosion technique made by Jogo. Meaning there is more to add to the list of things that should bypass his infinity.

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PS: These are most of the other counters for Gojo: Domain Expansion, Simple Domain, Domain Amplification, technique countering weapons... certain poisoned things... and sonic/explosion type attacks (as said above)...

Here's a buncha scans

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That's it.

Some other stuff which should work and affect is suffocation, spatial attacks, reality warping, erasure, telekinesis, etc...

Anyways that'll be all for now.

In One Piece Shockwaves are as described below: The most prime example being Sai's Hassoken is called Eight Impact Fist which deals internal damage and is a shockwave which bypasses conventional defense.

Rob Lucci's Rokuogan is exactly like an Impact Dial but stronger of which deals internal damage and is a shockwave which bypasses conventional defense.

The aforementioned Impact Dial...

Jimbei sends shockwaves through the air's water which deals internal damage and bypasses conventional defense.

Killer uses sonic vibrations to make Shockwaves which deal internal damage and bypass conventional defense.

Marco uses a Shockwave to deal internal damage and bypass conventional defense.

And even Whitebeard's Quake Quake Fruit makes the user able to generate large vibrations/shockwaves with his punches and attacks.

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And also:

These are all shockwaves whether they are achieved through different ways from martial arts, tech, a devil fruit, the air, sound, the water, a technique, or otherwise they all are shockwaves nonetheless and as I have said they deal internal damage and bypass conventional defense (they can even harm Luffy through his Rubber Body's like immunity to bluntforce).

A Napoleon using Big Mom matched Base Kaido for three days...

Napoleon/Prometheus (& Zues/Hera) using Big mom matched Hybrid Kaido...

Big Mom has her homie fusion attacks, and then she has her Bigger Mom form where she ate 1 year of her soul, then she has her ability to heal herself making her bones into homies empowering her further, and she then also has her fusion homie attacks becoming a homie on top of her Bigger Mom form with empowered bones and such.

Anyways that'll be all.

Overview:

First off Sanji and Zoro are comparable in speed and power:

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Later on Queen tanks a slash of King's which can overpower and knock around Post Rooftop Healed Zoro through his guard:

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Sanji can damage Queen making him bleed even if slightly despite the fact that we know Queen can tank King's wing slashes yet Sanji still recognizes Queen's superior strength:

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And as you should very well know Zoro was on the rooftop and can cut Kaido... enough is said.

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Just some posts I need to translate to Queen scaling.

1) Bruh. Stop spamming the page with USELESS scans that don't help your argument. It's irritating to go through.

You're being willfully ignorant I hope you know that.

2) You understand I already read the manga right and remember the entire fight right?

Certainly doesn't seem like it as you constantly act like Queen's tech is weaker than his non tech moves which makes NO SENSE.

3) You keep posting the same scan with King cutting of Marco's wing but keep cutting off the portion where we clearly see it do nothing to Marco followed by Macro rag dolling King.

Not serious King. King was was only serious with Zoro.

Look at that you've been immediately disproven in that Marco wasn't "ragdolling him."

And yes of course it didn't do much... BECUASE HE REGENERATED... oh .my gosh Wushu freaking READ...

Of course no one is gonna deal lasting damage to him as long as he can regenerate since you know that's the entire point of regenerating to not take lasting damage.

But do you know what that single slash DID DO it made Maroc regen... and when Marco regens... he what... say it with me... HE LOSES STAMINA... and now if he loses stamina which is a finite source in due time King will leave Marco like so:

4) Did nothing what so ever lmao.

Yeah cause he regens... but it does do something... it make him lose stamina...

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5) So based on your logic Apoo did something to Kizaru

Already went over this.

Not comparable. Marco is not a logia he requires stamina to regenerate meanwhile Kizaru doesn't regenerate he just isn't hurt by it and literally just gets back up there's no toll on Kizaru BUT there is one on Marco.

6) Your scan DOES NOT SAY THAT. This is exactly what I mean by useless scan. It only says "I've got a bunch of tricks up my sleeve." That literally just means more versatilel And you can't even apply that scan to begin with because Brachio Bomber was never used in Onigashima

Brachiosaur-Hiss >>> Brachio Bomber.

And Queen's Tech >>> Brachiosuar-Hiss.

Cope. Also dude you choose the like one panel and completely ignored the rest XD.

7) Nope. Because Marco would dominate King like he already was 2 v 1. He literally has showings against Admirals and kicking them across the battlefield. King does not.

King can match someone who harm some of the most durable characters on the planet...

And Marco can't even harm less durable characters than Kaido like the Admirals and can't even like damage them despite hitting them only pushing them which is useless...

King's No Named Ap > No Named KoH Zoro > Rooftop Zoro (not including Ashura) = Harming Kaido >>>>>>>> Marco being unable to harm a single admiral in the entirety of Marineford.

8) If King's flame attacks actually worked on Marco then you would maybe have an argument but they don't.

Ap doesn't matter. Stop acting like it does.

All that matters is King can do bodily damage to Marco and make him use his stamina... King's fire not being useful I could care less King can still do bodily damage to Marco and wear him down or throw Marco into the sea both are win cons for King and both are entirely viable and very possible for him to do so.

9) You are cutting King's Max AP down by like 80% without them. Meaning King can't overpower Marco unless he is out of stamina which won't happen here due to not having to worry about saving other people and fighting 2 people at once,

A basic swing from King >>> Marco.

Marco's best attack was a pheonix brand on Zoan Form Queen but that wasn't even due to raw power just shockwave hax. Marco's ap is trash. King matching and outdoing Zoro who can harm Kaido is >>> Marco.

10) You keep regurgitating the same crap with them not going all out against Marco which is clearly wrong.

Now you're just lying to yourself.

How have you continued to keep saying this. I thought you realized your mistake when you were talking about how King didn't use Flame off mode against Marco I thought just maybe you acquired enough self awareness to realize that King (and Queen) just weren't trying against Marco like you like to believe.

King wasn't furious, Queen didn't use a fraction of his moveset get over it you're wrong Wushu move on.

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Anyways that'll be all hope you see the error of you're ways.

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1) Queen does not put Haki with his laser. It is not shown you can put Haki into non tangible attacks. Only with his physicals which would obviously do nothing to Big Mom.

Queen's tech >>> Judge's tech. This is non negotiable.

Also Queen doesn't need to put haki on lasers, lasers are already OP and Queen's lasers are >> Judge's tech anyways.

2) No. Flame Bagua is his strongest attack because he is literally the size of an island going max speed and coated with all types of Haki. Queen does not have anything like that, Awful comparison.

So you agree that a character just becuase he has one attack which uses """"""Physics"""""" that doesn't mean he can't have a stronger attack...

Oh man we are getting somewhere finally...

You're entire premise was that beucas eif the hieght and weight of Queen doing Brachio Bomber it's his strongest attack but then I showed other characters where they used hieght and their weight in a technique and you say that isn't their strongest attack.

Then by your OWN admission your premise is disproven...

And no it's a pefect comparison of Kaido falling from Sky Island to Queen's Brachio Bomber.

And we both know that Queen/Kaido have other things which are their main fighting style which would of course be stronger than them literally just falling from a hieght with some weight behind it.

3) Wtf? If he jumped from same height as Queen it would easily be stronger then a standard strike. Queen does not have Haki on level Kaido and Kaido does not have a named move where he leaps on with a body slam.

It doesn't matter that he doesn't have haki on the level of Kaido it's the mere fact that he HAS haki...

And the it's the fact that Kaido dropped from such a hieght and Queen did the same is why they are compared since by your reasoning due to the "PhYsicS" (you do know this is One Piece right XD) of the situation then they should be their strongest move... except they are verifiably NOT their strongest move at all.

4) "Queen's tech is specifically called out to be superior in fact the entire reason why Queen replicated the tech was so he could prove superiority to Judge's tech... meaning Queen's tech is > Judge's tech..." Your Response: NO THE HECK IT DOES NOT. LOL

Say that again...

You are directly proven wrong by the manga. Queen's tech/cybernetics > Judge (and also Vegapunk).

5) NO WHERE IN THAT SCAN DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BRACHIO BOMBER WHATSOEVER. HE NEVER USED BRACHIO BOMBER ON SANJI SO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT AT ALL.

Can you read please if yiu just did that none of this would need to be said.

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Anyways Brachiosaur-Hiss >>> Brachio Bomber nothing you will say will ever change this it's said right in the manga. Brachiosaur-Hiss is the true raw power of his dinosaur form therefore it scales above >>> Brachio Bomber.

And Brachiosaur-Hiss should them also be weaker than his Brachio Launchers. As Queen wanted to uses them to blow Sanji to smithereens but after his mess up calling their name out he just gave up on it as Sanji was already gonna die.

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So as I said Brachio Launchers > Brachiosuar-Hiss > Brachio Bomber.

This also fits portrayal/narrative wise as that is the order of introduction and in shonen you save the best for last so the later attacks for the most part should always be stronger than the prior ones.

AND it makes even more sense for Brachio Luanchers to be > Brachiosuar-Hiss as if it was weaker than why try to use it to kill Sanji if it wasn't stronger as such it should be stronger than Brachiosuar-Hiss (and once again by extention stronger than Brqchio Bomber).

6) What part of this do you not understand???? It's an upgrade in a sense that it gives him more attacks and versatility which I already said.

Literally makes him stronger... the heck are you on about... his tech is what makes him strong it's literally his entire gimmick and to why he exists he's a scientist, he's a cyborg, heck it'd be like saying Franky's strongest attack didn't deal with his technology despite that being all Franky focuses on.

To say such a thing like Franky (or Queen's) strongest moves aren't tech related wpuld be in direct opposition to what the manga has established.

7) This a GARBAGE argument. Never tag me on this again.

You literally know that's how shonen works in that authors sometimes have to hold characters back for the sacrifice to hype or plot. And like I said there are plenty other reasons as to why Queen would do such a thing (reasons you conveniently didn't address like how as you even admit Queen wasn't in the right mindstate so him not thinking out a perfect plan or using this or that makes pefect sense in such a situation).

Shonen often always hold their characters back and don't show what they all have got in first introduction.

8) Nope. You are wrong and I am right.

I totally felt that.

9) You are literally using headcanon bullcrap trash scans that don't prove your point at all and come of with excusses which make no logical sense whatsoever.

I literally backup everything I say dude you living in a world... no a galaxy of denial just becuase you can't seem to think that Queen is strong...

Also via portrayal Queen is >>> Jack and Jack > The Scabbards who can harm Kaido.. So it would make even LESS sense if Queen could barely harm a yonko.

Also:

10) Queen went ALL OUT on Big Mom and nothing else makes sense. We already seen Big Mom no sell Germa attacks.

Like I said Queen's tech >>> Judge/Vegapunk

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STOP trying to equate the two (Queen's tech and Judge's) in power they aren't Queen's is better that's like the entire freaking point in that Queen is better than them.

Also no Queen didn't go all out the mere fact he didn't use the Brachiosaur-Hiss, Germa Tech, Invisiblity, etc immediately destroys your argument that Queen wasn't holding back. He was he know he was.

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Marco to me is one of the worst offenders out there for people actually thinking he's strong he's not. He is the "Ultimate Staller."

Marineford:

Marco does essentially nothing as he deals no damage to any of the Admirals even against a post Whitebeard Akainu, an off guard Aokiji, and a laid back Kizaru he only ever pushes them.

Wano:

"Scuffle" with Big Mom gets grabbed like nothing and tossed aside

King and Queen stalling.

And just the main thing is Marco's devil's hax is the reason why he's so overrated.