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Just so people know, I tried this procedure about a month ago to report the fact that forum links to JPGs with spaces or unusual characters in their titles weren't working, while in the past they had. This had made all kinds of link-based respect threads filled with dead links. The engineering team responded to me by email, we emailed back and forth a few times as I gave them examples of pages with that problem and gave more details, and they said they would work on it, although they could not give me a deadline.

Today they wrote back saying it had been fixed, and lo and behold as I check around, it does appear to be fixed. So: this new process does appear to work and even gets real results.

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Battle Threads of the Week

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Mid-Tier Trio Runs a One Punch Man Hero Gauntlet

All Might from My Hero Academia, Meruem from Hunter X Hunter and Kaneki from Tokyo Ghoul all team up face the various heroes in One Punch Man universe. Individually neither would get too far in the verse but together they form quite the team with different strengths and weakness that compensate for one another. The gauntlet starts off with A Class warriors and ends at 3 of the strongest heros in the OPM verse. This thread discusses how this trio compares in the OPM universe and potentially what rank they would get in the OPM universe.

Hit and goku black vs naruto and sasuke

Now normally this would be a huge mismatch but the stats are equalized in this particular adaptation of the fight which makes it a lot more interesting. While most DB characters are very limited in what they can do and often lose such battles, Hit and Goku Black are amongst the most unique and versatile characters in the DB universe. Both have an interesting array of abilities that no one else the verse is able to perform. However they are up against Naruto and Sasuke, both whom have a vast set of abilities at their disposal. It is interesting to see how they various techniques and moves will work against each other.

Cosmic Armor Superman vs Hadou Gods Featherine and EoS Battler

Battles between Nigh Omnipotents have seen a big rise on CV recently and this fight here is one example of such a fight. Cosmic Armor Superman, one of DC's most powerful characters in ever resulting in very people few fiction being able to give him a debatable match. The two he is up against do fit that bill, some even argue that they could individually solo.

Cal Kestis and The Second Sister vs Coleman Trebor and Halsey

Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order came out not to long ago and has been incredibly successful. This battle sees the main protagonist and the main antagonist of the game team up against two other Jedi in star wars. This battle gives us an idea on how the Fallen Order characters compare to the rest of the star wars universe.

CaVs and Tourneys

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MCU Black Panther vs 2008 Hellboy

This live action CaV between @kingantagonist, repping Hellboy, and @death4bunnies, backing Black Panther, is an enjoyable read. It's up for votes, and the voters so far seem to think the battle might be uneven, but there's agreement that it's a fun read. There's a nice mix of writing and GIF/video usage, with the GIFs really supporting the arguments. I'm impressed with the way kingantagonist has made an argument for Hellboy being relatively fast and agile, and props to death4bunnies for the best quote from the meteor movie Armageddon! Read and vote before it's closed!

Gon Freecss vs Jirou Azuma

@defiant_will argues for Gon Freecss from Hunter X Hunter and @maestromage takes Black Torch's Jirou Azuma's corner in this CaV. It's just getting started, but there are good, in-depth arguments for both sides, with strong writing and scan usage. I always like a debate where I start off not knowing anything about the characters and by the end I feel like I'm very comfortable in my understanding of them. This feels like it will be one of those CaVs. Check it out while there are only a couple posts and it's easier to keep up.

2020 High Tier SBT 1st Edition RD1: Geekryan vs Thevoidofdeath

@geekryan has a huge team of Martian Manhunter, Sue Storm, Kuurth Juggernaut, Zatanna, Jean Grey in this tournament. His opponent, @thevoidofdeath, luckily only has to argue in favor of Raven and Wonder Woman. They both put a lot of detail into their arguments. Geekryan is particularly impressive for staying relatively succinct with that big team. This kind of battle can be hard to figure out--do numbers matter, making it hard for the opposing team to concentrate their fire? Or is it easier to take them down one by one, if they're weaker? And this one gets plenty complicated, because there's magic or psionics on both teams, plus some impressive physicals to contend with. Read the arguments and see what you think.

Respect Threads

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Respect Tyrannus!

Created by @noobmaster2001, this respect thread traces the feats of Tyrannus, "the handsome, immortal, Roman emperor," as he puts it. Tyrannus has been around since Incredible Hulk 5, and while he has never risen to be a top-level villain, he is always lurking around in Subterrania plotting against the surface world or the Mole Man. He's got more abilities than you might think. Check him out!

Respect The Shade and Iron Fist!

Two RTs created by @thetruebarryallen. One covers Richard Swift, the Duke of Darkness, another long-lived character who has been published for decades, this time from DC. He has a plethora of powers, and this well-organized thread goes into them in detail. His other thread on Iron Fist is something we've needed around here for a long time. A character this high in the streetlevel rankings, and used so often, needs an RT that's well-organized. As TTBA states, he's particularly proud of this thread but doing one on such a prominent character takes a lot of work!

Respect Whirlwind, The Doombot, and The Awesome Android!

Direct from the keyboard of @professorrespect, here we have RTs on three characters that I know a lot of people might think are not deserving of respect. And yet! Here we see how even a goofy character like Whirlwind, a literal stand-in for an actual character like Doombots, or a character with the knowingly dumb nickname of Awesome Andy, have had some good feats over the last several decades. I have actually been trying to track down feats for a couple of these lately so it is great to see them given the encyclopedic treatment they deserve. They may not get used a lot in the forums, but now that you know a little more about them, maybe they will be.

Battle from the Archives

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Thing vs Sasquatch (Marvel Two-in-One 83, 1982)

A classic match-up between two heavyweights: one a classic name in the world of class-100 fisticuffs, the other respected but not as well-known. Sasquatch goes into this battle with less experience, both in-universe and on-panel, but with a slightly better results in fighting the Hulk than the Thing had at this time. More details of their comparative abilities will come out during the fight.

The fight starts by accident. They run into each other in the wilderness and Sasquatch (Walter Langkowski) trips towards Ben Grimm (due to nefarious things going on underground that are causing the earth to move). Ben sees this as an aggression and the battle begins. He sucker-punches Walter.

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Sasquatch may be a refined scientist at heart, but he's not going to take that. He smacks the Thing with a tree.

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Walter explains that he's just taking this as a chance to test himself--but he clearly doesn't think Thing has a chance, and continues to batter him with his tree.

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Ben's got some solid durability, however, and comes right back at him. In fact, his punch is nothing to be laughed at--Walter may have underestimated his opponent when he is "actually staggered" by his blow.

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Sasquatch has the strength advantage here, but part of why Ben's doing just fine is his speed and technical fighting skills, which allow him to dodge the stronger and much taller Langkowski.

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In terms of strength, Sasquatch says he's stronger, below and that does bear out in his past feats--for instance tossing a huge plane or lifting a huge ship, which are both way over 100 tons. Those are some pretty high-level strength feats for Marvel in this era. However, the OHOTMU of the time actually lists Langkowski as a 70 tonner and Grimm as an 85 tonner! Ultimately I tend to side with the way the story presents it, with Walter as stronger.

However, Ben's advantage is his fighting spirit and his boxing and wrestling skill.

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Langkowski is outmatched when it comes to pugilistic ability, and he realizes his head is not in the game. He needs to readjust his attitude. He goes after Ben more seriously, and takes him down. Note that even Ben states that Sasquatch is stronger--and that he sees himself as fighting an uphill battle. Sasquatch reiterates his sense that the Thing was outmatched due to the hairy physicist's massive muscle power.

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But, that's not the end of it. Because the Thing is never out. Recall when Ben stopped the Juggernaut's forward motion during Secret Wars II (despite the amp Ben had had from Mephisto being taken away). Or, Ben's recent battle against the Immortal Hulk. He's a never-say-die kinda guy.

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Now Sasquatch goes nuts. His reserved scientist manner is gone, and he goes berserk, whaling on Ben again and again.

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Doesn't matter though...Ben comes right back:

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Sasquatch is tired of this and asks for them to call it a draw, he just doesn't care that much. But Ben is always up for a brawl and is willing to take it to the end. However, the fight is interrupted by more earth-shaking, and (no surprise), the two titans team up to take out a magical malefactor.

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You can read the entire battle here.

I like this battle because it shows that stats on paper don't necessarily show who's going to win a fight. According to the handbooks Ben is stronger; according to feats and both fighters in the story, Sasquatch is. But then you have to take into account their fight training and experience, and their determination to win, both of which Ben has in spades, and which kept the ever-lovin' Thing in the fight long after Langkowski thought he would have won.

If the fight hadn't been interrupted, who do you think would have won?

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@owie: Eh. EoS she needed a bunch of shield goons on a Wolverine that just healed back from having to be medically attended to, to jump him. And I’ll say while she stabbed him with in the sais, again it’s arguable Wolverine was just biding time to wait for the explosives to go off. And he was fighting against programming from the Hand. He also locked blades with her just fine later when she was under their influence before breaking out when she was talking to him without words or telepathy, but take that for what you will. Redeemer I believe is questionably non-canon, and she just jumped him, brief fight and disappeared taking the kid or whatever. When he went feral, he also showed her up by taking the sword back. Honestly, her feats again him are questionable. She couldn’t beat Shikaru when Logan managed to when he went berserk after losing the first time. He did a lot better against Tomi, she couldn’t even hit him while he was toying with her. Both of those stories are ones where he touted her skill. She stalemated Hercules with a sword, which more of a feat for him. She’s stalemated Black Widow. Her feats against Daredevil are up and down to being shown up to being said to kill Matt in a single hit.

All things considered, at her higher ends, she can contend, but Elektra herself has no real business beating him. He is more skilled and has better feats against better opponents than her. Has better speed feats by a slight margin, not enough to make him like a blur but whatever, Is a lot stronger, has the healing factor and a better weapon. Her advantages are a context fight EOS, a dicey read in Redeemer, which again, I’ve seen it said it wasn’t canon, and some statements, even in books where he did better.

I’ll give the possibility of the team winning because I do believe both can at least stall him for an incap victory or her sais will be needed. Both are capable of being in his ballpark range and without disregarding their showings completely, they’ve shown to fight him. He doesn’t have the adamantium here and that helps them, but he’s not going down easily.

I don't mean to imply she's somehow going to trash him or anything. But she'd fight evenly with him, and then with Matt--who for instance beat Wolverine in EOS if slightly by accident, plus fighting evenly with Cap who fights evenly with Wolverine, who has a decent record of fighting against Spider-man (one example) just like Logan does (one of the more obscure examples) etc.--it's basically two characters as good as Logan against Logan.

I'd guess you know most of the incidents I'm referencing below, but just in case not, and for the sake of anyone else reading, I'll link it all. And sorry, this as usual got longer than I wanted. But Elektra vs Wolverine has been a thing I've run through my mind a lot.

ELEKTRA'S DIRECT FIGHTS/DIRECT COMPARISONS WITH WOLVERINE

Enemy of the State: I don't think Wolverine's state of healing was a big deal. Yes, she started by taking advantage of him while he was piled on (which is his fault, really, since they start off with him having the high ground, facing her, and he says he can't resist them pulling their guns on him), but the fight afterward showed them fighting equally, with her ending up in essentially the same advantage as from when she made the first strike. Really, she was winning, because when he's on the ground again, he thinks "another two seconds and I'm...", clearly implying "and I'm dead." Then, it's clear that he was running away from her after he set off the bomb. He made statements that imply he doesn't want to face her: "Have to drown her. It's the only way. Hope it slows her down and gives me a head start at least." I.e., getting a head start on her is the best he can hope for. She clearly thinks she can win too: "you think a locked door is going to save you?"

In terms of Gorgon, yes, the one time he beat her pretty badly. In the later fight between the three of them, he took her out first, but again arguably that's because he saw her as the more dangerous opponent; as Logan himself implied immediately after that with his "world's most dangerous ninja" comment. And regardless, Logan and SHIELD chose Elektra to be his partner in this fight over any other character in the world, which says a lot about what they think of her skills.

Redeemer could be argued to be non-canon, certainly it is an unusual book. But I have never seen it stated to be non-canon by anyone official, and my take on it is that it was written with the intent to be canon. If it has achieved non-canon status, it is only because they've made other changes and it drifted off. To me, that means it's still reasonable evidence as to a character's capabilities. The first fight was a pretty straight fight, and very conclusive in her win, she left him bleeding out in the snow. Then they have a very brief second fight that's inconclusive. Later, they meet and she says she's going to "kill him again." (Bottom of first page.) His response (top of next text page): "He grinned, not because he didn't believe her, but because he absolutely did."

When she retains Wolverine, she runs circles around him originally (1, 2, 3, and especially 4), as would be expected, then the final fight, where he has recovered his mind and skill, ends in a stalemate, where he seems to trick her but she actually knew what he would do. (It does feature a great skill feat for him, throwing the katana into the scabbard on her back.)

In terms of Shikaru, as you point out Wolverine lost the first time, after giving what he thought was his all. Then later we see her fighting Shikaru, and don't get a lot of close-up detail, but regardless, she seems to be fighting him for a fair amount of time and is not knocked out--which I would say is actually a damn good feat, considering that Logan's fight with Shikaru was massively brutal, lots of clawing and superhuman throwing around, which is just the kind of fight a tank like Logan would seemingly do better at than someone like Elektra, who does have decent durability but obviously nowhere near Logan's. So the fact she didn't go down after an extended battle, when Shikaru was capable of putting Logan down, is impressive. Then, yes, Logan goes extra berserk and beats Shikaru. But (1) she had just fought Shikaru, presumably wounding Shikaru at least to some degree although we don't see details, and (2) that second fight was clearly a fight that was beyond Logan's normal level of achievement--he doesn't pull that level of fighting out of his back pocket so to speak, he'd have to really, really get pushed there. The whole point was that he went to a different level. So in that sense, Logan at his very best was better than Elektra at what presumably was her normal fighting level (since it doesn't say anything about her going into a super-fighting-state), which was better than Wolverine at his normal fighting level.

Regarding the statements in both EOS and Savage Wolverine about her being more skilled ("killing these guys must be boring for her...I ain't much good in a fight. Not at first. Then I take a few hits and somethin starts wakin up."; "he took down the world's greatest ninja, what chance do you have"): from my perspective, that just acts as extra evidence for my read that she was in fact doing as good as or better than him, as opposed to a weird situation where they made a positive statement and a negative outcome. Plus, those statements are in his books, not her titles, so I'd take them with extra weight. One statement in EOS that's less obvious: when she and Logan are about to fight side by side to kill hundreds of Hand, he's the one who says "You're out of your mind, there's too many!," while she tells him to stop whining, indicating that she's more confident of her skills in that situation than he is of his.

He has also just in general clearly respected her over the years, coming to help her when needed, having her help him when needed, bringing her to Silver Fox's grave, etc. That doesn't say who will win a fight, of course.

OTHER FIGHTS OF HERS

Her fight with Black Widow was an unusually high point for Black Widow, in my opinion. I think Nat's quite good, but she's not at the tier we're talking about here. But even in that fight, Elektra cuts a bullet in half, which I don't believe Wolverine is capable of. Plus, honestly, Wolverine in that series and in others makes it clear that he also has a healthy respect for Natasha's skills, supporting the idea that if that series is putting Nat and Elektra on par, it was also somewhat putting Nat and Wolverine on par (if, granted, through a statement not a feat).

Elektra's fights with Daredevil have run from stalemating to her having the advantage (not in order: one, two & three (he "survived that, barely"), four (current retraining), five (current retraining), six, seven [I believe that's it; some of them certainly have context]). Even way back in the day when they weren't yet their ninja selves, she embarrassed him with her speed and agility twice: one, two. Their most recent fight (issue 14), where he beat her in a brief spar, was the first time to my knowledge that he has had the advantage over her (one previous time he seemed to have the advantage in Murdock Papers was the Skrull taking her place), and even then he leaves open the possibility that she's taking pity on him. And that time (issue 14) was only after she trained him up to that level of skill. Also, recently when Stick and Elektra were infiltrating the Priests of the Sickles, she said in front of Stick that Matt was not Stick's best pupil, i.e. she was, and Stick, who is infamously contrary about everything, doesn't disagree.

Connecting Wolverine in with Daredevil, when Logan needed a partner for himself when working for Gorgon, he, Gorgon, Elsbeth Von Strucker specifically chose Elektra over Matt as the better person to kill folks en masse. Matt was the distraction; Elektra was the person Logan, Gorgon, and Von Strucker thought would be his best partner for mass murderousness. When Hydra loses Logan and gains Elektra, Gorgon and Von Strucker seem fine with that trade-off, again showing that people who ought to know think Logan and Elektra are relatively equivalent.

COMPARING ELEKTRA VS WOLVERINE

I would argue that Elektra is faster than Logan (he mentions her speed in EOS ["man she's fast," almost the exact same thing he says about Gorgon] and Redeemer [fantastically quick], which he would have no reason to do unless she was faster, and I think her feats are also better, from the Punisher-gun-stealing to this less-known gatling-gun-many-many-bullets deflection). She is definitely more agile and light-footed (consider her running on top of the blade of a thrown sword; here's a 300' jump down), and I would argue more skilled (examples in next paragraph). But, he is stronger and has his healing factor and claws. To me, all those qualities all together (speed/agility/skill vs strong/healing/claws) is what makes them more or less equal.

But besides stats, her fights are also an argument for why she would very reasonably fight on Logan's level: she has fought him multiple times and done well each time as already shown; she was the person who trained both him and Matt back to their former skill when they lost it; she decisively beat Taskmaster (and only lost to him previously because he distracted her by acting like Matt); she was beating Iron Fist until he used a massive chi blast; she stalemated Shang-Chi; she beat Silver Samurai. That's a pretty solid level of fights. Logan has a broader range of experience, as someone with lots more appearances, but that track record of hers puts her on his level. I would personally love to see her against Cap and Black Panther some time to see how those would turn out.

Individual skill feats? The striking power she shows, which you've mentioned above, comes from technical skill and chi usage (which is itself a technical skill). I'll throw one more striking power example in, which is cracking Hulkbuster armor with her hands. Other objective skill feats: cutting a bullet in half; regularly throwing sai into gun barrels (1, 2, 3, 4, 5); regularly using nerve strikes and joint breaks (just a few examples: one of many that are insta-KOs; plus Iron Fist and Takegi, a super-ninja-master; and precision-stabbing Red She-Hulk to paralyze her); defeating a prison of SHIELD agents with just paintball guns; beating Punisher while holding back to such a degree he gets mad at how much she's holding back; disassembling a gun just by touching it; using a spit-out tooth as a weapon; cutting the head off a fly that Shang-chi is holding with chopsticks; cutting a guy's body apart in such a way that he continues to stand up minutes later; cutting Nina's headband without cutting her forehead skin while doing a flip; throwing a bunch of shuriken in such a way that when they land they block a powered-chi-ninja from being able to channel his chi; having knowledge of internal body control to slow poisons and control internal body chemicals, etc.; being able to run on snow without a trace at the age of 12. Not all those are combat skills, but they're all in that constellation of things that feed into combat skills, that show that she is a highly skilled individual in general; that skill is how she wins fights.

Anyway, that's what I've got. What would your best examples of Wolverine's skills be? I'm asking in a sincere, curious way. I mean, I know about Ogun and all that, Logan is obviously skilled. But it would be nice to see a concentrated list of feats that focus on his skill.

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@thetruebarryallen: Oh that is funny. I had the same thing happen the other day, someone referenced a random 80s Spectacular Spiderman I had read the night before. Well, clearly Iron Fist must be respected due to his defeat of the Commodore!

@andromeda101:Glad to!

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Battle Threads of the Week

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Hulk & Captain Marvel VS Iron man & Thor

While not a particularly close fight before, the newly established power levels of Captain Marvel (beating up Thor pretty badly and killing him, etc) have meant that she’s became a contender to the heavyhitters of Marvel. In this thread, there’s an attempt to try and establish her new status by placing the character with Hulk (already known as being perhaps the quintessential brick of Marvel) and having them square off against two high tier characters. Definitely quite interesting to read for the arguments for both teams, and there’s no clear consensus on which team wins.

General Grievous vs Venom

A very unique matchup placing two feared monsters of their stories against each other: Grievous, an alien cyborg responsible for killing dozens of Jedi with his furious style, and Venom, a fearsome creature that physically dominates his foes with his size and strength. In this fight, the question is about who is able to overcome the other with their raw power. Grievous has weak points in his suit but has a weapon that could slice through Venom like butter.

Personally, it’s a very strongly made thread with passionate arguments on both sides. Give it a read and see what you think.

Martian Manhunter vs World War Hulk

Manhunter has always been known as being an individual with not only remarkable potential, but also a tendency to hold back against many of his foes due to his strong pacifism and morals. In this battle, such factors are removed, as J’onn goes all out against a nearly unstoppable foe in a battle between a strong brick vs a character with boundless versality. Regardless of the matchup, the structure of it makes it particularly unique (J’onn lacks his fire weakness, something which has stumped him in the past rather easily) and is facing someone who has dealt with telepathy, phasing, telekinesis, and many other offensive attacks.

It’s more of a matter if J’onn can actually do better than the teams who faced Hulk before, rather than simply if he can deal with those attacks in the first place. Worthy of being here based on the premise alone, but the arguments help as well.

Thanos vs thor,beta ray bill,hulk and hercules

Thanos is regarded as perhaps the most well rounded teambuster in all of fiction: almost perfect physical stats in strength and durability, strong energy manipulation, and a high intelligence to boot. While he has quite easily slapped individual members of this team, he hasn’t ever faced all of them at once, and this thread seems to try and establish if he could be capable of getting through all of these heavyweights without being overcome in the process. Not perhaps the most unique of threads, but the matchup is interesting enough to garner a great amount of attention from users.

CaVs and Tourneys

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CAV: Luo Zheng (mass) vs Dark Samus (AmethystGravity)

This CAV, between Dark Samus from Metroid and Luo Zheng from Apotheosis, immediately comes across as extremely thoughtfully written and incredibly civil and respectful from both @mass and @amethystgravity. It’s well-written and insightful. Really it couldn’t be more pleasurable to read. They both do an excellent job explaining their characters and their worlds to readers who don’t know anything about them. Extra points to Mass for including a glossary!

Street Level Live Action Tournament 2019 - Round 2 - KoLKent vs. ComicGirl21

They’ve only written one post each so far, but I’m intrigued by this tourney entry between Eggy from Kingsman and Deckard Shaw from Fast and Furious, vs DCEU Batman and MCU Hawkeye. @comicgirl21 puts in her usual detailed, intense arguments for the latter team, and @kolkent fights right back with a cutting array of counters. It gets a little spicy right off the bat, but we’ll see what happens. The combatants look pretty evenly matched from where I sit and I’m interested to see how these peak humans battle it out.

Beyond Omnipotence Tourney: MCU Grant Ward (ANTHP2000) vs. Chuck Norris (Ashrym)

Yes, this whole tourney is a joke, but I found myself pretty entertained as I read it. Nice work by both @anthp2000 and @ashrym as they try to prove why their character is the most godlike in the most absurd ways possible. I highly enjoyed the scaling and rhetoric. C’mon, I had to include this one.

2020 All-Star CaV | Drake Sinclair (TheTrueBarryAllen) vs Waxillium Ladrian (Lunacyde) - Open for Votes!

There’s an all-star tourney going on right now, and perhaps not shockingly, two of the match-ups made the best list here today. @thetruebarryallen and @lunacyde do an amazing job in a tourney format, where you have to be a little faster on your feet than in a CAV. They manage to be incredibly thoughtful, civil, and even concise. It’s evidence of how good they are that they manage to take two very rare characters/worlds and explain them very clearly and succinctly in this debate. Open for votes, readers!

2020 All-Star CaV | Beerus (EmperorThanos) vs King Thor and Gorr the God Butcher (HigherPower)

Another All-Star entry, this is what @higherpower says may be his last debate. I’ll admit that while @emperorthanos- did his usual stellar job so far, I was particularly taken by HigherPower’s very poetic, speculative, and detailed take on Gorr in particular. His writing really whisked me away to the end times of the Necroverse! Is it short? Oh no. No it is not. But it’s excellent. Check out his prologue to the whole thing for a very nice piece of writing. However, debates aren’t won by the best poesy, and ET may win by eschewing “fluff” and going for the jugular! Definitely keep an eye on this one.

Recent Respect Threads!

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@andromeda101 has been on a tear making Marvel cosmic supernatural respect threads. Check out his RTs for Mephisto, Nightmare, and especially his very in-depth post for Dormammu!

You know that @professorrespect is always making one respect thread after another. Digging through the many he made in just the past couple weeks, I was particularly drawn to this one of Gizmo, from DC's Fatal Five. He had me at "Gizmo, the Evil MacGyver."

Of course, @thetruebarryallen, who has just joined us at TDD, is no slouch in the respect thread department either, with recent threads for Hank Henshaw, the Cyborg Superman; Drake Sinclair from The Six (who we also saw in a tourney, above); Hydro-Man; and yes, The Spot. Respect The Spot!

Finally, I don't know who this @owie guy is, but I was thoroughly amazed by his stupendous Devil-slayer RT, fleshing out yet another obscure but awesome character for this week's round-up of respect threads.

Comic News

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Event Leviathan: DC's Checkmate Returns with Green Arrow, Question & More

Michael Bendis and artist Alex Maleev are teaming up to working a 6 part miniseries Event Leviathan: Checkmate where they will be forming new Checkmate. This new team is set to be compromised of a Green Arrow, Question, Lois Lane and Talia Al Ghul who will be working as a team against Leviathan. The first issue will come out in April

Marvel Empyre Teaser Promises the Kree-Skrull War Was Just the Beginning

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Battle from the Archives

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Actually, battles this week, as we present the fearsome Commodore (Donny) Planet! He only had a couple appearances, but did a surprisingly good job taking on Moon Knight, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage in 1982.

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Iron Fist runs into him first, in Power Man and Iron Fist 87, and has trouble with the not-so-gentle giant. Planet explains that he can change the density of his body much like Danny can do with his fist! He says he learned this somewhere akin to K'un-Lun, so it's a skill, not a power (in contrast to what he uses later against Moon Knight).

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He almost squishes Iron Fist to death against a wall, surely one of the Immortal Weapon's more ignominious near-death experiences.

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Luckily he gets out and takes down the Commodore with a double kick.

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As he walks off, Danny thinks to himself that Commodore Planet is "almost as tough as anyone I've ever encountered." Look out Sabretooth and Shang-Chi, there's a new tough guy in town and his name is easily confused with Captain Planet!

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Later that issue, Luke Cage runs into Donny again. The Commodore smashes Luke back into a wall, breaking the bricks apart. However, Luke doesn't take kindly to Planet's racist "barbarian" remarks, and flattens him with one punch.

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Incidentally, Moon Knight is in this issue of Power Man and Iron Fist, but never runs into Planet. Which is weird, because in a seemingly totally unrelated incident, Moon Knight runs into Planet in Marc's own comic, Moon Knight 26, which came out just one month later.

There, Marc confronts Planet, who is sort of like a knock-off Kingpin in that he uses his bulk to keep from getting pushed around, and also to create so soft a target that blows just get dampened in his rotundity, as we have already seen him do so expertly against Danny.

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He also claims to be superstrong and durable due to the good ol' comic background story of "an experiment," so he has powers in addition to his special "semi-Iron-Fist-y-belly" skillz.

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He's stronger than Moon Knight, but Spector dodges and hits him solidly in the back--to no avail, as Commodore Planet is made of sterner stuff than that.

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Moon Knight realizes what a dangerous foe the Commodore is, and thinks that he could get killed in the next shot, underlining Planet's dangerous striking power. Luckily Marc realizes that he can use his weight and lack of balance against him and knocks him overboard FTW. Alas, the poor Commodore has never been seen again.

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This ends the saga of Commodore Planet, another (set of) battle(s) from the archives.

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While I am not a Crystal expert, my general sense is that she is the MVP here. However, bloodlusted, I could see Dazzler just firing off a laser and drilling the other two. Her lasers would be the fastest of anyone's blasts here. Dazz also has the most variety of light effects, she could do something like blind or disorient the others.