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Dont have proper ways to show scans so i cant CaV. More than enough of a proper reason but if you cant beat me regularly than you cant beat me in a CaV either i would assume 😪

When did i mention stars in my recent posts? Lol

Your proof:

> "Oh I see Naruto is only MFTL++++++. That's still way too slow,😎 Langris is at least MFTL++++++++++++ 😎 scaling Above Ladros who is already MFTL+++++++ 😎 for being able to blitz Asta who can react and deflect dozens of LS in his sleep. Langris still blitzes sorry."

Vs my proof:

> "Scaling is over feats cause via feats alone, many characters wouldnt be close to how strong they should actually be but again. You havent posted any feats. Once again. You havent contributed to this debate AT ALL. You havent posted feats or scaling to show langris being even LS.

I have never said i dont beleive in feats. Quote me where i said it. I actually literally said "i go by feats and scaling". But nice to see you still have a thing for lying.

Finally. Bout time you actually said something useful....but then again....its not entirely. Also you need more evidence than just adding a + just because of extremely small additions but ill just do the same.

Teen Naruto is FTL+ due to speed blitzing kaguya when enraged. Who proved she was FTL when she was tagging Naruto. She also tagged many of his clones which we know arent far from stats when one in just sage mode was fighting kages, overpowering one of madaras strongest jutsu, and even threatening him for a short time with his rasen shuriken. Ontop of that she also tagged sasuke. And we know sasuke scales to Naruto due to there final fight that they had. They were keeping with each other, reacting to each other, etc, etc. Placing Naruto at FTL+ in reactions and travel.

Naruto from the last gets the other half of kurama and chakra correlates to stats as i already explained earlier in this thread. (Of you want a reference let me know) Meaning his FTL+ now gets doubled. Naruto from the last also continued training consistently so if i scaled the way you did, that would be another +

Hokage Naruto is far and beyond greater than both of these Narutos due to fighting fused momoshiki who only in base form was able to destroy a star and also destroyed a planet earlier on in the light novel and heres Naruto tangoing with a severely stronger transformed one and able to even fight him in base, severly weakened and low on chakra. Then Bodies him along with sasuke while still severely weakened and low on chakra.

Sage mode gives an over 10x boost as i proved early in this thread (if you want a reference let me know) due to jirobos statement back in part 1. Already placing just sage mode Hokage Naruto alone at MFTL++

KCM far exceeds sage mode. People still argue if it does in terms of power. I think it does but just for kicks ill say fine, its not but KCM has proven itself to be faster many times. Especially when he outsped raikage at his top speed. So i guess thats another + right? So KCM Hokage Naruto would be MFTL+++. Bijuu mode Naruto exceeds KCM via showings of fighting most of the tailed beasts at once. I dont even need scaling for that. And also blitzing so fast to kakashi and guy that he sent 5 mountain busters away. So i guess thats another +. So MFTL++++

Then we have BSM which adds the over 10x boost TO bijuu mode so....wow. i dont think thats worthy of only 1 + since its over 10x but for arguments sake, ill just give it one. I mean hes already faster so it really doesn't matter. So BSM Hokage Naruto would be MFTL+++++

Then we have six paths mode....lol MFTL++++++

And again. Im scaling the way you did it.

And this is without taking into account im lowballing AGAIN. Once because i gave the over 10x boost from sage mode only 1 + and again since Base, severly weakened and low on chakra Naruto dealt with fused momoshiki who absorbed the chakra of stars and his dimension but ay. This punishment is bad enough already.

So no. I fail to see how Naruto isnt casually blitzing him. But through lowballing, at least i cant say he would be able to do it in base like ive been saying. According to the scale, He would start blizting when he enters BM.

Hell. Theres even evidence for Teen KCM Naruto with only 50% kurama being FTL or at least LS. Author says raikage reaches light speeds and when raikage fought KCM Naruto, he used his top speed as he literally said on panel. Placing just KCM 50% teen Naruto at FTL or LS. And when i say author i mean databook. But then again, i forgot people on CV who have 0 involvement with the story think there words are above the literal creator."

Yup. Someone should make a vs on just thise two things alone and i can as i low dif lol and the fact you need a poll from another thread shows the desperation.

Also there talking about in general. In general, the BCverse is faster but the godtiers of Naruto/Boruto blitz them hundreds of times with there eyes closed. One of those god tiers being Hokage Naruto.

OT: langris is too slow and he gets negged by base Naruto. His hax are easy to dodge with danger senseing and emotion senseing and his orbs get outnumber by clones. Literally eveeything langris has, Naruto counters. Also langris doesn't have passive erasure. Thats just a lie and a made up ability the fans made.

@god_spawn: Alright. Thanks for tagging us both.

Now he as well as me. Are aware not to tag each other. You literally said it in the thread so theres no excuses now.

So Thanks again for diffusing the situation.

@saxz: And you tagged me again when god_spawn literally told you NOT to. Also i just explained why i tagged you. Even after i ignored you like the mod said, he tagged me again afterward and i was going to report you again as i literally said in the beginning of my last posts but i gave you another chance since you seemed like you were done trolling. Cauae as i explained already, the only reason i taghed the mods was cause you were trolling. So if you stop, theres no need to bother them any longer.

Again they said i could just not respond to you anymore and thats exactly what i did...UNTIL you messaged me. So you went against the mod first.

Name the posts where your proof shows langris being MFTL+++++++++++. I showed my posts so show yours lol.

Again. The only post with evidence for what youve said is post #333 proving langris should be MFTL+++

I only think your trolling in posts #336 and 338 where you literally spammed a bunch of emojis and said langris is MFTL++++++++++ despite saying in an earlier message that langris was MFTL+++. You conveniently did this after i hit you with my rebuttal and ontop of that you didnt show why and when i asked you to, you spammed emojis again....no. your the only one trolling.

> "Except i did explain why scaling to fused momoshiki proves my point. In post #269. Hence the reasin why i said "again" so false.

I literally told you if you want a reference ask for it....lol so thats your fault. I offered you proof and you purposefully didnt take it. And no. I did show why Naruto was MFTL in post #304 so false again. And your lying once again. I never just up and gave him a 10x boost, i explained why sage mode gives a 10x boost in post #304 again and i actually proved it was above 10x since 10x was with CM2 and CM2 is below imperfect sage mode which is below Narutos perfected sage mode.

Prove to me how being more than 10x above something isnt massive? Being more than 10x stronger than someone puts you at an entirely different pedestol. Same with speed. But anyways again. False. I didnt bring it outta nowhere. Post #304 disproves that.

Explain how any of it was gibberish. Thatd be nice.

There better than yours cause literally. How is

> "Oh I see Naruto is only MFTL++++++. That's still way too slow,😎 Langris is at least MFTL++++++++++++ 😎 scaling Above Ladros who is already MFTL+++++++ 😎 for being able to blitz Asta who can react and deflect dozens of LS in his sleep. Langris still blitzes sorry."

Better and more informative than

> "Scaling is over feats cause via feats alone, many characters wouldnt be close to how strong they should actually be but again. You havent posted any feats. Once again. You havent contributed to this debate AT ALL. You havent posted feats or scaling to show langris being even LS.

I have never said i dont beleive in feats. Quote me where i said it. I actually literally said "i go by feats and scaling". But nice to see you still have a thing for lying.

Finally. Bout time you actually said something useful....but then again....its not entirely. Also you need more evidence than just adding a + just because of extremely small additions but ill just do the same.

Teen Naruto is FTL+ due to speed blitzing kaguya when enraged. Who proved she was FTL when she was tagging Naruto. She also tagged many of his clones which we know arent far from stats when one in just sage mode was fighting kages, overpowering one of madaras strongest jutsu, and even threatening him for a short time with his rasen shuriken. Ontop of that she also tagged sasuke. And we know sasuke scales to Naruto due to there final fight that they had. They were keeping with each other, reacting to each other, etc, etc. Placing Naruto at FTL+ in reactions and travel.

Naruto from the last gets the other half of kurama and chakra correlates to stats as i already explained earlier in this thread. (Of you want a reference let me know) Meaning his FTL+ now gets doubled. Naruto from the last also continued training consistently so if i scaled the way you did, that would be another +

Hokage Naruto is far and beyond greater than both of these Narutos due to fighting fused momoshiki who only in base form was able to destroy a star and also destroyed a planet earlier on in the light novel and heres Naruto tangoing with a severely stronger transformed one and able to even fight him in base, severly weakened and low on chakra. Then Bodies him along with sasuke while still severely weakened and low on chakra.

Sage mode gives an over 10x boost as i proved early in this thread (if you want a reference let me know) due to jirobos statement back in part 1. Already placing just sage mode Hokage Naruto alone at MFTL++

KCM far exceeds sage mode. People still argue if it does in terms of power. I think it does but just for kicks ill say fine, its not but KCM has proven itself to be faster many times. Especially when he outsped raikage at his top speed. So i guess thats another + right? So KCM Hokage Naruto would be MFTL+++. Bijuu mode Naruto exceeds KCM via showings of fighting most of the tailed beasts at once. I dont even need scaling for that. And also blitzing so fast to kakashi and guy that he sent 5 mountain busters away. So i guess thats another +. So MFTL++++

Then we have BSM which adds the over 10x boost TO bijuu mode so....wow. i dont think thats worthy of only 1 + since its over 10x but for arguments sake, ill just give it one. I mean hes already faster so it really doesn't matter. So BSM Hokage Naruto would be MFTL+++++

Then we have six paths mode....lol MFTL++++++

And again. Im scaling the way you did it.

And this is without taking into account im lowballing AGAIN. Once because i gave the over 10x boost from sage mode only 1 + and again since Base, severly weakened and low on chakra Naruto dealt with fused momoshiki who absorbed the chakra of stars and his dimension but ay. This punishment is bad enough already.

So no. I fail to see how Naruto isnt casually blitzing him. But through lowballing, at least i cant say he would be able to do it in base like ive been saying. According to the scale, He would start blizting when he enters BM.

Hell. Theres even evidence for Teen KCM Naruto with only 50% kurama being FTL or at least LS. Author says raikage reaches light speeds and when raikage fought KCM Naruto, he used his top speed as he literally said on panel. Placing just KCM 50% teen Naruto at FTL or LS. And when i say author i mean databook. But then again, i forgot people on CV who have 0 involvement with the story think there words are above the literal creator."

And post #304?....please explain.

You already know i cant CV. Ive told over 30 times in our last thread that i dint have a laptop or computer and the last time you asked me for a CaV. I told you no cause i want to be able to post pictures and make a proper and well polished argument. Stop repeating things you know the answer to.

Now again. Are we gonna have a proper debate? Id yes then prove to me how langris is faster when all you proved was that he was MFTL+++ then in my post afterwards i proved why Naruto was MFTL++++++

You tried to say langris was MFTL++++++++++ but you sais that with no proof. And also did the same with ladros ans astas feat saying those were MFTL++++++++ feats

Or again. We can agree or disagree. Just stop trolling and we woukd be good. All the hostility that has happened has come from you.

@animefreak1: Your good lol

@animefreak1: That wasn't me. That was saxz lol i was quoting him.

@animefreak1: ?

@saxz: god_spawn quite LITERALLY told you NOT to tag me again and here you are so i guess i have to bring it to there attention again.

No i quite literally explained how Naruto was MFTL and beyond and im willing to debate you in how im wrong if you ACTUALLY debate inatead of posting emojis and trying to seem funny. I only told you to stop tagging me cause your trolling.

If your willing to ACTUALLY debate then lets go. Just stop trolling.

Oh thats nice. Now your using what i said against me lol your the only person who hasnt showed evidence whole i have. Here ill show you:

Post #323 i showed proof. Your answer to that was.

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"Let's see the highlights of your "debate"

> MFTL base Naruto

> Star level chakra speed?

(whatever that means)

Lol... I am not taking those argument seriously, when people debate they bring valid proof of thier feats or scaling, Sadly my dude;Those aren't arguments,there's not a single proof that supports those claims,so it automatically debunks itself. In other words I humbly decline debunking those, I would rather go debunk the dude who says the IchirAku Ramen guy solos DBS or some of @animefreak1(no offense dude) numerous fanfic.

Somehow you are under the impression that writing fanfiction and headcanon to wank your character above another is impressive and cool, when in truth it's just borderline lazy.

Here let me try, you think Naruto is MFTL right?, well Langris is MFTL++,so he still blitzes.End of story, Langris stomps"

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Where in this post is the debunking of what i said and the proof for langris being faster? Nowhere. Heres another one.

Post #335 i showed my evidence for why i think Naruto is faster. Your response was

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"Oh I see Naruto is only MFTL++++++. That's still way too slow,😎 Langris is at least MFTL++++++++++++ 😎 scaling Above Ladros who is already MFTL+++++++ 😎 for being able to blitz Asta who can react and deflect dozens of LS in his sleep. Langris still blitzes sorry."

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Where in this post did you challenge what i said and prove why langris was faster? All you did was say him, ladros and asta are MFTL+++++++ for no reason at all.

In post #337 i even politely asked you to show me why there so high up. Your response? This.

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"I already gave proof and explained why Langris is MFTL++++++++++++😎, he is above guys like base Asta who reacted to dozens of light speed beams in his sleep a MFTL++++++ feat. And Langris is confirmed to have faster reactions than captain tiers like Yami and Nozel who are MFTL++++++++😎. So Naruto is still BC mid tier level,Langris still statues him. Lol this is fun."

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Again. Nothing. No proof for your claims. And no debunking of what i said.

So no. You are quite literally the only one out of both you and me who hasnt shown proof for what youve been saying. The only proof you showed is langris being MFTL+++ and my counter showed why Naruto was faster.

You disagree with that counter? Then challenge it instead of again spamming emojis and trying to seem funny.

If your actually willing to PROPERLY debate wether Naruto is faster than langris or not then i wont notify god_spawn as the only reason i told you not to tag me again in the first place was due to your trolling.

So ill ask. Are you willing to debate or not? Or should we just agree to disagree?

@saxz: Ill tell you again. Dont tag me if your not gonna give proof for the claims youve made like i have multiple times. The only proof youve shown us so far is that langris is MFTL+++ and i showed that he was simply higher. Even when using the exact same scaling as you did for langris. Besides, once again Naruto would still be faster cause i lowballed the sage mode to just 10x to scale Naruto that high when his sage mode is above a 10 times boost as i explained in post #304 with jirobos CM2 statement. So once AGAIN. He still wouldn't be higher. You need to wank him up one more time and add more pluses.

When you were screaming at me in all caps asking me to stop tagging you in another thread, i aplogized and did.

Please be respectful and give me that same energy back.

@aolox: i literally have 0 knowledge on comics except for what ive heard on here but ive heard thor is pretty slow in most showings. To the point theres even a meme about him so....i dont really know how to respond to that.

@saxz: The only proof you showed was how langris is MFTL+++. Otherwise in post #333, you wouldnt have said he was MFTL+++. You wouldve already ended off saying he was MFTL+++++++++

But no. Post #333 you specifically said he was MFTL+++

Where's the proof hes any higher? You havent shown it yet so im asking if you can. And wheres the proof that puts the light beams at MFTL++++++?

You havent shown proof for any of these claims. The only proof you provided was on post #333 where you showed why langris should be MFTL+++

Inb4 "you never posted why you think what you think either" posts #335, #304 and every post ive given epsilonR disagree. As well as the other posts i referenced you in the recent ones i made to you.

These posts are all filled with evidence for my stance while yours say and i quote:

"Oh I see Naruto is only MFTL++++++. That's still way too slow,😎 Langris is at least MFTL++++++++++++ 😎 scaling Above Ladros who is already MFTL+++++++ 😎 for being able to blitz Asta who can react and deflect dozens of LS in his sleep. Langris still blitzes sorry."

Where in this post is your reason for why langris and ladros are at that level? You quite literally just...put them there lol. Why is astas feat MFTL+++++++? Deflecting dozens of beams, especially when sleepy would be MFTL and most likely even MFTL+. But where are the other pluses coming from? Ontop of that, you clearly said langris was MFTL+++ then randomly put him at MFTL+++++++++ after i posted my response and you did so with no evidence to back up the claim.

Also its hilarious when you realize even with that, Naruto would still be higher. Cause i purposely didnt add over 10x due to the sage mode for BSM and only added 1 plus as i said in #335. Adding the rest or at least 10 would put Naruto at MFTL++++++++++++++++

Which would mean Naruto would be still 4x times faster than langris. Unless your gonna randomly change it up now and add more pluses without proof again.

But assuming your going to keep spouting things without evidence then im giving you another warning to be fair since you did do as i asked and actually debated. So itd be wrong for me to just flag without giving another warning. So heres another warning. If your not going to show me why langris should be at the speeds youve claimed then I dont wish for you to tag me anymore cause the debate will go nowhere. Doing so even after i asked politely not to will result in a flag and me reporting to the mods. Considering how you said you would stop earlier, i think i can trust you to be respectful enough to leave me alone if you refuse to post why you think what you think.

But if you do tag me without providing proof, thats pretty messed up. I remember you screaming to me in all caps multiple times in our last thread for me to stop tagging you. And then i later apologized and did just that. Please show me that same energy.