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@DarthShap said:

@Deadcool said:

...huh? actually I was looking for a "Nostalgia Glasses" picture, the caption has nothing to do with my feelings, I just found that picture in google search.

What can I say? You chose the wrong picture then.

@DarthShap Your comments are hilarious sometimes.

@DarthShap said:

The New DC website:

LOL. Even DC does not believe he fits in. ^^

LMAO, you've made an EXCELLENT point here. Touche!

@cbishop said:

My apologies if I repeat anyone, but Cyborg on the JLA doesn't feel right. He has a better look than the John Henry Irons Steel, but Cyborg was created for the Teen Titans. To this fan, he will always be a Titan. Now, if DC allowed generational characters, and the original Titans took over their mentors' slots in the JLA, then Cyborg transitioning to that team would make sense. This just doesn't, other than as an homage to the Super Powers TV show.

Why do ALL the Titans have to ascend to the JLA ranks at the same time. When a person goes for a promotion/change, or makes a a major leap in their career/life, they don't always do it as a group with a bunch of others. Most people develop at a different pace from others, so how is this any different. I think the main problem with many people who read comics is that they are too stuck on nostalgic feels to allow themselves to accept major change in a character or group of characters and how they are chosen to relate to others. It may not feel right at the moment, but who knows...if written well, you may grow to love this new 52 chapter in the JLA saga.

@DarthShap said:

It is not about change being bad in itself, it is about bad change.

After years of glorifying the team's past and its "big seven", as I mentioned in Johns' own books especially (Green Lantern and Flash Rebirth and Brightest Day) and tons of others such as Justice by Alex Ross, The New Frontier by Darwyn Cooke and recently Legacies, you really cannot blame the fans for expecting the team line-up to be composed of those seven characters when for the first time since 1986, they are all available.

Also, as explained before Martian Manhunter was always a central member of the JL while Cyborg will always be perceived as a Teen Titan. Making him a founder is just a bad move, especially if you are going to keep the other six not include the Martian Manhunter.

The "relatable" issue is nonsense. Batman is by far the most popular superhero but not because people can relate to him. The guy is a millionaire who lost his parents when he was ten and he is completely crazy.

And was the "youth element" not already settle by making all the characters fifteen years younger than they were in the reboot?

Finally, I recommend you read this awesome CA article by the great Chris Sims:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/03/08/justice-league-review-counterpoint/

Well, the main point I was trying to make is I feel that it's just way to early to really consider this a BAD change...again, we're only 6 issues into the series so far. DC is allowing their creators to be creative. I think doing this can be a great thing in the long run. Nobody has said that Manhunter will never be a JLA member again. For all we know, it could be written later down the line that he has been a member all this time, and maybe he was sent to be apart of StormWatch for some covert reason yet to be revealed. We just don't know...let the creators have a little fun and let the story play itself out. That's all I'm trying to say. I don't think Cyborg was a bad choice when picking a character to mix things up. When it comes to concept and design, Cyborg in my opinion is on of their more interesting creations that has never been written in a way to show his full potential. Maybe this change will give us that now. However, I will also add that they should be doing a lot more with Manhunter as well. This is a character that can shape shift and has telepathic abilities. I think that gives him much potential in the covert Illuminati kind of way. I think his past from his days as a Martian should be explored WAY MORE, and maybe even write in something that ties his connections here on Earth deeper into our own history in a behind the scene capacity showing over time that he's more involved in the large events that have happened and will happen than people could ever realize. That would be so cool!

Personally, I LOVE eComics, so I think this is a great step in the right direction. My life is so fast paced and my home is already so cluttered with material goods that any time I have a chance to switch something from physical to digital, I'm on it! I've taken the steps to go as digital as possible when it comes to all my entertainment goods. I'm a collector (not a serious about it as I used to be thanks to more am more new responsibilities popping up) so I still have my large 5,000 paper comics in a temperature controlled storage unit. However, I mostly on still have these for nostalgic purposes because I agree...there still is much value received from opening a paper comic in near excellent condition and admiring the work put into making such a great piece of artwork and then smelling the paper (as long as you've kept the condition great). I love that! Even with that though, I also like the thought that I could literally carry over 100,000 comics in high definition perfect quality (when scanned properly) in the palm of my hand on a small 1TB hard drive. That is just freaking AMAZING! That saves a lot of space and the cost of that hard drive, plus another as a backup is a lot easier and cheaper to maintain than my 5,000 book collection by far. So to each his/her own, because as long as we have the option to chose either format, the rest really doesn't matter. :)

@SkottJimenez said:

They never need to be recharged, I never worry about dropping and breaking them, someone stealing them and if I lose it on the way I'm out no more than $20.

I can totally see where you're coming from when you say that this added value doesn't apply to you since you've decided not to jump on the eComic train, however, I for one would be pretty damn pissed if I lost or if someone took $20 out of my pocket! $20 can still buy quite a lot in this inflation crazed society. lol, I'm just saying.

@DarthShap said:

@LordRequiem said:

I find martian manhunter too similar to superman, obviously he does lots of other stuff, but always seems to fly around a be strong, with a bit of telepathy. Leave that to supes,a nd now in terms of powers and abilities there's a bit more diversity.

Bad argument. Wonder-Woman is way more similar to Superman than the MM is. Superman also has the powers of Aquaman and the Flash (except for brain waves to sea life and the connection to the Speed Force). The fact of the matter is Martian Manhunter was diversity in the team in terms of powers.

Change is a way of life...I don't know why people are so bent out of shape over Cyborg being on the team now. Plus, who's to say that Manhunter won't be back. I mean, we're only 6 issues into the new run. That's pretty damn early to be complaining at this point. I think people should just chill and give the series time to reveal why Cyborg is on the team. Also, I personally think that an additional human would be way more relatable to readers than a Martian would be. I mean, personally, having an alien from a far away planet in another galaxy on the team makes way more sense then an alien from a planet that's right around the corner in our own galaxy. In today's knowleagble world, I just can't wrap my head around aliens from Mars...that just seems so 'ol school. Besides, the team gets a much needed 21st century feel by having cyborg on the team who also can add some depth with the youth element. THough I do like Manhunter, so I'd like to see him come back to the team eventually. I'd also like to see a writer do more with Manhunter's telepathy powers and focus more on his history and his personal growth. That would help me to care about his character way more than I have in the past.

@spiderbat87 said:

I herd a while back that Speilburg wanted to direct the next Transformers

This would just be TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE! THe problem with the Bay Transformers is that they were just treated as things and not alien lifeforms. I mean, Bumblebee couldn't talk...that said it all right there. Plus the Transformers were taking orders from the military? They were easily captured by the military in Part 2 or Part 3. That was just crap. The whole point of being Transformers and intelligent beings is their ability to be "unknown" and fight the battle right under the noses of the humans here on Earth. That's what Part 1 should have all been about. Setting up the origin behind the Transformers at least a little bit, and giving a better explanation for why they were fighting each other (the Autobots & Decepticons) here on Earth instead of somewhere else in the universe. Part 2 should have been about Megatron stepping his evil game up and revealing theemselves to the humans because they were now powerful enough to whip the humans out if need be. That would then force Optimus Prime's hand in allying, against his initial instincts, with the humans to coordinate taking down Magatron's plan. Part 3 would incorporate complex characters like the Constructicons, Insecticons, Areobots, Triple Changers, & Dinobots. We'd get to see Soundwave as a cellular phone (much better concept than yesterday's Walkman) with his Micro Machine like minions (such as Ravage, Lazerbeak, Rumble, Frenzy) as micro flash drives. Even have Blaster as his computer tablet counterpart. Then the ultimate two part final movie would kill off some characters and introduce the ulitmate film bad guy, Unicron! That's how the movies should be done! All of which being directed/produced by the super team of Steven Spielburg and J.J. Abrams.

@Wowlock said:

@Grim:

Have to agree with you there...

This kind of transition really mess many things up. I mean sure you can show what has changed with each issue but it still won't cover up the big Plot-holes that stand like a Black Hole...sucking every meaningful story of the past into oblivion.

It is a good thing that you wanna start fresh and get new readers but not at the expense of the past stories and current fans.

I spoke my mind before the New 52 released and said '' If they wanna go fresh, just create a new universe like Ultimate or M2 , might seem like copiying Marvel but it will be a lot smoother then messing up with the current stories. ''

These new series suppose to keep current fans happy with the characters they KNOW and LOVE while helping new readers to understand characters easier...but with soo many changes and event going on , I think it fell short on the both parts...

I have to agree with you here. It would have made WAY MORE sense to leave the DC Universe as it was and create a completely new DC parallel universe similar to Marvel Ultimate Universe. It doesn't have to be the same in concept, but it could have easily been the same in execution. Now they've combined the Vertigo and Wildstorm universes? What was the point of that? Whomever is running DC right now obviously has no respect for history, and seemingly little understanding of how to simplify a fictional world. This may all work out and make sense in the end after a year or two of this new group of universes. However, I must say that it would have made WAY MORE SENSE to fully establish each new parallel universe one by one, with each new universe being introduced one or two years apart. This would have much easier for new readers to follow along. Plus this would have allowed both new and pre-existing readers to get familiarized with the new and how it affects the old and relates to the old. The way they make it seem they are doing things currently is just throwing everything into a grab bag, shaking it up, and then blindly grabbing things out of it and giving that to the readers. It just doesn't feel like THEY EVEN KNOW where this is all going! The fact that they cancelled so many "New 52" titles already just lets me know that those books didn't fit into the overall picture of what they were trying to establish here with this "All New 52" concept, and makes me now wonder if there even is an OVERALL PICTURE. I'll just end with the hope that all will make perfect sense a couple years down the road.

@Vortex13 said:

@onyxwave: .... what the hell do you call the little nub you blow into to get it to fill with air?

I don't know what they intended to call it but I call it "The Point of No Return!!!!!!!"