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@nervedamage:

Strongly disagree with that notion, or else Ace wouldn't have been killed by Akainu magma fist, nothing indicates Akainu magma have any "Special"

It was stated that it can "burn fire itself", so it has something special.

It is not the first time in fiction, that something can "burn fire itself"

properties other than being naturally hotter than fire and can put it out.

this was never stated in the manga, basically you assume this

It's more on mera mera no mi fruit being weaker than magma than Akainu magma being unique.

It is that the fruit can burn the fire itself and for that reason superior to the fruit of ace, Oda always gives the reasons why the fruits are superior to others.

see luffy vs enel, oda stated the reason why luffy had immunity to enel fruit, just like he did with crocodile.

Oda always explains why one fruit is superior to another, and in this case, for him it is because he can "burn fire itself"

Lava/magma can smother fire naturally due to its physical nature to suffocate it due to it's solid/liquid state, the heat really doesn't play a huge role. Magma can cut off the fire's oxygen supply. This makes sense as to why Ace was hurt by Akainu without the use of Haki

I don't know where you got that explanation.

but I prefer to keep the explanation of the manga

For Aizen's case, the fire that lingered is obvious from the aftermath of that large crater that blast created. He did another version that completely disperses all flames in the crater the fragor that formed the multiple rings. And a direct blast isn't needed to take him out.

Disperse flames is not enough, fujitora tried and did not work.

So you're saying the gust force which destroyed massive rocks formation from the blast won't put out the fire, or how about the energy itself blasting it off of him? Are you seriously going to disregard the science of concussive force putting out fires? The properties of fires are very weak.

Fujitora tried to disperse the fire and it didn't work, just like burgess and it didn't work either.

I repeat, physical and conventional energy attacks do not work against a fire logia.

He's not phasing through this, he's gonna get knocked out by the force of the blast and then be harm from the energy attack.

You have no proof of that.

And to say this is basically to ignore the entire context of a logia.

Again nothing is saying He's not getting hurt by this

You have not brought any legitimate evidence of the bleach manga that Aizen can use something that "can burn the fire itself" or something like water.

The rest are basically things that you invent out of context.

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#2  Edited By Omnihater

difference between me and the bleachtroll, faraday.

>a complete comment with evidence of the manga that supports what I say, where I don't even impose my opinion if the KS works or not. (#132)

>Cry nonsense and call "troll" to anyone who doesn't suck the "you know what" of the bleach characters.(#134)

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That and his physicals. Theres no way Luffy is tanking even a single hit from CO Galan. And honestly with how far Galan scales above BOS Mel, im not sure if he can even survive a hit from base Galan without haki when base Galan>>full demon mark lostvayne Mel>>>>liz sword base Mel>>Mel with a twig=small mountain level.

Luffy can tank any Galand CO attack, from the Pre-TS to be precise in marineford arc

He tanked a casual air slash from mihawk, which can do this.

he also tanks a spam of doflamingo attacks with haki and awakening, when base threads already did this, this, and they were going to cut the flower hill as cheese if luffy had not defeated doflamingo.

The feat of Meliodas with the branch is barely CB or MCB, not near close to small mountain.

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Why?

base meliodas statued a natural lightning, while he launched himself to the demon king, the demon king has powerscaling from this feat.

I don't know why Ichigo or Naruto are faster, Naruto never statued a lightning as Meliodas did, less dangai ichigo, EoS could be faster, but not dangai

Besides that, Dangai ichigo needs a lot of AP to hurt the DK, and that without taking into account the ruler.

in-verse mechanics are really irrelevant, for matters of versus and to be fair, the ruler should work in any attack of energetic type and in that category enters the nijutsu, reiatsu, magic, etc ...

because if we go with those kind of arguments, the genjutsu would only be useful in the naruto-verse, because there only exists the chakra and not in other verses.

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because it is the only saga where naruto only fights using the sage mode, anyway, if it is the end of the manga, with only sage mode and without KCM, the result does not really change that much.

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Stampede Sabo is not only disgustingly faster (he react to a YnM of Kizaru in half of the trajectory), but also better AP, since his fire made the Kizaru's lasers disappear, and leaving some pillars of fire that had country AoE.

What's his durability and resistance to TP?

He is a logia, so he does not need durability feats, because Aizen cant harm him with any physical or energy attack.

Whatever without his logia, he should be around the large island-country level, luffy G4 tanked a lot of bullet's attack, sabo should had powerscaling

And I dont know what ir is "resistance to TP"

You sure he's invincible as a logia? Don't logias have element-based weakness? Since I know he's fire, but there's a lot of stuff that can neg fire. Also being a logia doesn't mean much, Luffy vs Enel case?

I have not said that he is invincible at any time.

The natural weakness (apart from the water) of Sabo fruit is the magma that consumes fire or something that can burn the fire itself (like akainu magma).

Aizen has nothing like that.

Aizen produces energy that vaporizes large rocks completely and leaving craters skipping liquefaction, I'm sure he can obliterate the flames that makes up Sabo leaving him vulnerable. He was even able to burn Ichigo after his dangai state. Aizen Fragor isn't light neither.

In order to reach this heat, you must reach 4000 K, that's much hotter than Akainu's magma fruit.

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I am almost certain that fire cannot be "burned", regardless of the temperature

It is a property of akainu magma, which is indifferent to the temperature.

The blasts of energy of Aizen for more temperature than they have, are incapable of burning fire, and in theory unable to hurt the logia of Sabo.

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@omnihater said:
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Stampede Sabo is not only disgustingly faster (he react to a YnM of Kizaru in half of the trajectory), but also better AP, since his fire made the Kizaru's lasers disappear, and leaving some pillars of fire that had country AoE.

What's his durability and resistance to TP?

He is a logia, so he does not need durability feats, because Aizen cant harm him with any physical or energy attack.

Whatever without his logia, he should be around the large island-country level, luffy G4 tanked a lot of bullet's attack, sabo should had powerscaling

And I dont know what ir is "resistance to TP"

You sure he's invincible as a logia? Don't logias have element-based weakness? Since I know he's fire, but there's a lot of stuff that can neg fire. Also being a logia doesn't mean much, Luffy vs Enel case?

I have not said that he is invincible at any time.

The natural weakness (apart from the water) of Sabo fruit is the magma that consumes fire or something that can burn the fire itself (like akainu magma).

Aizen has nothing like that.

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Whitebeard moves his hand in Toshiro's direction and he is dead, he is not a logia like Aokiji.

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@kingonea: okay I guess it just turns into that debate they just had over whether or not you think aizen preventing opponents from being able to accurately sense reikaku is affecting a sixth sense and you don't think CoO is something aizen can manipulate. Do these guys have CoO to start a fight? I could be wrong but I believe they need to activate it and if they look at aizens release before activating CoO he should be able to hypnotize them. If they in character auto activate it then KS is not going to be very effective in this fight

They can even see the future (here katakuri says that it is possible to reshape your body thanks to the fact that you can see the future with haki, avoiding blows that wear armor haki, which is exactly what admirals like akainu, kizaru and aokiji do more than once), and they always have it activated to the point that when you are asleep you can use it.