Like I mentioned before, like his fight with the Wandenreich. Ichigo routinely underestimates his enemies or tries to be nice. Like when he offered to heal Grimmjow or cut off his own arm to even the match versus Ulquiorra.
There was no reason to lie to ichigo he just lied to Aizen and he specifically said long ago.
Why would there not be? Gin was acting as a double agent. He lied to every single person. You're telling me he wouldn't lie to Ichigo for some unexplained reason?
Not all of them could teleport and he can just keep smacking the rest 1000 ri until he feels like it or just into the ground and the 1000 ri counts as a speed feat as well which ichigo precedes.
Except you know Merlin can teleport multiple people at once and she doesn't actually need to be present to do so.
I guess Merlin would just permanently place the opposing team on infinite teleportation loop. It's well within her powers.
Sorry that bleach doesn’t work with power levels...? Urahara has planned out entire fights before he even knows about a charecters full abilities case in point his fight with Askin and with Aizen he has sealing techniques some impressive DC not that he’s really needed here save maybe for maybe his sealing and strategies.
Tell me where Urahara actually read a person's power level or actually gave a numerical value to one's reiatsu. Planning for contingency is a completely different thing altogether. And that point is moot he has no prep time.
Shinji did rip through one of Aizens illusions in turn back the pendulum which starts on chapter 315 I believe.
Wrong. Aizen made him believe that he was having the upperhand. Aizen then reveals that he has swapped himself out with a dummy. Try again.
You see russia as a small country? I’d say around Switzerland other people have scaled it to California and Texas before.
No. I'm poking holes at your descriptive use of 'country level.' A very liberal use of the term that has no quantification. It's like me saying: "Aizen used KS on stronger opponents!"
wasn’t it the other mage who used that to keep them from the king?
Vivian is Merlin's apprentice. Merlin can use perfect cube. I have posted numerous examples of her using it.
Ban can be incapacitated rather quickly or sealed and his snap has a limit as shown in the video you posted.
With what? Nothing your team possesses can incapacitate him. And yes there is a limitation to his powers. But it really wouldn't matter as just stealing one person's strength would leave them basically dead.
So she can dispel kido okay how good is she at taking a sword to the face?
She would reflect it with perfect cube. Keep up now.
KS does affect your brain lmao he can affect you perception of time aswell and they wouldn’t even notice that they’re under KS and like I said KS has worked on people with sensing. Shinji has resisted an illusion read up.
Except you know...time is relative. Stick yourself in a dark room and your sense of time will be affected. Once again try again. Unless you can show me where KS is mind controlling people or forcing them to relive their worst nightmares, it is sensory manipulation.
Shinji resisted nothing. Try again.
It seems you’re just going to ignore the manga simply becuase the thought of bleach characters being that strong is too much for you but you can’t disprove it.
Nah bro. It's the fact that you're using absurd fan calculations.
I want some speed feats for the team becuase you apparently think they can keep up with quintuple digit Mach’s like Ichibei and ichigo. Have they even past triple?
This is not how a debate works. You're the one claiming 'quintuple digit mach' speeds. Show. me. the. proof.
He already did with Yhwach burn he knew he couldn’t fight him at the moment.
Except you know for all the other people Ichigo fought and didn't blitz...
It put him at lighting speed in his first Bankai release. Gin didn’t lie to Ichigo he clearly stated he only lied to Aizen Ichigo pointed out that the speed of the bankai is more dangerous than the distance and gin wasn’t no saving his secret technique for Ichigo so there was no reason to lie. The 300 miles is an obvious mistranslation becuase it goes by the Chinese term “LI” instead of the Japanese term RI that the manga has always used.
Once again this is pure conjecture on your part. Why wouldn't Gin be lying to Ichigo when Gin lied to everybody? Gin wasn't trying to even kill Ichigo and completely misjudged Gin. I even posted you the scan where Gin explicitly states that he lied about everything. I don't know how else to convince you....
As for the underlined part, it's still irrelevant because that attack is not a speed attack. It pushes you X amount of distance. Since BFR is not allowed and the fact that distance is pointless versus a teleporter, the point is moot.
Bleach charecters don’t have good sensing? Watch the series again lmao yamma got lucky that that actually was Aizen every other captain couldn’t sense him and shinji who’s seen through illusions couldn’t see through KS.
I will state this again for you. No one in Bleach has reiatsu sensing ability equal to what I have shown The Seven Deadly Sins can do with magic. Please show me a scan where any of the five war potentials can actually breakdown a character's stats like mines can. Or can actually put a physical number on it. (FYI you can't.)
Shinji never seen through no illusions. But that point is still irrelevant to this.
Los noches is easily small country sized from everything were shown in the manga. Definetly multi city level.
Once again this is conjecture. What is a small country? Russia is a country as is the Vatican City.
I already did counter those claims. These characters can sense and Gowthers illusions should be countered by sensing shouldn’t they. Aizens KS is better than her illusions and has worked on stronger people. Ichigo is faster than melodias so there’s not going to be a counter.
You made no counter claims whatsoever. You only ever recited: "Bleach characters are faster and stronger."
You made no counter to Perfect Cube blocking all physical attacks.
You made no counter to Ban just physically stealing the opposing team's strength.
You made no counter to Merlin's capacity to dispel magic.
You can't counter Gowther's illusions via senses because unlike KS, Gowther actually effects your mind. He's an actual telepath. He does not use sensory manipulation.
KS is not better. KS has not worked on 'stronger' people. Though I don't see how manipulating someone's senses is a matter of strength. No one in Bleach has any resistance to such effects.
Oh no Ichigo is way above continental lmao matching ywatch puts him at the very least planetary. Read chapters 670 through 684 to see Yhwach was going to destroy all three worlds with HIS power and we see Ichigo rivaling said power.
It seems my points won't get through considering you think Ichigo is continental level+ and Yhwach is planetary....
He just needs to activate the release while they’re looking at him and he’s done it at the beginning of fights as you saw and gowther saw through that illusion by sensing so I guess sensing is only thing that you need to see through his illusions so...you already know. And aizens illusions can’t be seen through by sensing.
Like I said before, Aizen doesn't activate it right when he fights. He never has. The examples I used were all of him using it as he was engaging his opponents in conversation.
OP states they’re going for the kill so he would blitz’s since he’s ridiculously above lightning you can take your pick from the data book lightning statement or gins Mach 500-1,000 Bankai or ichibeis 1,000ri feat and the sins are vaguely lightning timers, lightning, or vaguely above lightning.
OP actually stipulates they are "in character" as well. None of the characters blitz as a starting tactic. It's not even within their character to do so. The databooks don't specify the speed reflexes of Bleach characters. Also, the feat with Gin is not true by Gin's own volition. He made it up.
Ichibei's attack is not a blitz. It's an attack that sends you flying 300 miles. But that point is pretty moot considering that Merlin has continental teleportation and can pretty much counter all physical attacks with perfect cube.
Merlin is fast enough to out teleport another teleporter.
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Yamma needed Aizens sword in his gut to be certain and every captain has the ability to sense and couldn’t sense him or tell him apart from momo until he showed them.
Actually no person in the Bleach series has exceptional reiatsu reading abilities. At least not on the level that the Seven Deadly Sins can read magic and power levels. Since the two have been equalized. The fact that reiatsu can be discerned through KS means that magic can as well.
That’s similar to ulquiorras Lanza which Ichigo completely nullified in a way weaker form. And speaking of ulquiorra his resurrection would’ve busted Los noches and I’m not one of the people who think it’s california sized but it’s definitely small country and everyone’s on this team is way past that. Ichigo also busted a karakura sized dimension and you know how massive karakura is it even has two massive mountains lmao.
Nothing you mentioned is anywhere verifiable. Where are you getting these figures from? Country sized attacks???
Ichigo ends this pretty quick with a simple blitz that no one would react too and he’s easily stronger than anyone here.
No he's not. You have not even refuted my other claims of mental manipulation, physical strength stealing, magic, etc. The moment Ichigo tries to use a Getsugo Tenshou, it'll be Full Countered back.
The fact of the matter is you're relying on unsound fan calculations to somehow justify Bleach characters being continental+ and Mach 1000+, when they're not.
Aizen put Yhwach under KS as soon as he met him. He’s fused with his sword so you can just look at him to Ben placed in KS.
Yhwach and Aizen were talking face-to-face in his prison cell for an extended period of time...
Ichigo blitzed Aizen and Yhwach as soon in their first fights and attempted many blitzes through the story. And I know kempachi wouldn’t blitz I never said that.
And there are many showings where Ichigo doesn't blitz, like in his fights with the Wandenreich. And have yet to see any proof that Ichigo is faster. Just the affirmation that he is.
Ban would spend days trying absorb their raiatsu and doesn’t be ge have a limit?
Ban doesn't absorb reiatsu. Ban absorbs one's actual physical strength.
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How am I talking out my ass you have faster and more powerful charecters on the beach team. Those are impressive feats for gowther I concede to the fact that she needs to physically touch someone but he wouldn’t use illusions before aizen uses KS which would level him helpless.
You're making claims without actually defending them. Why would Gowther not use illusions before Aizen's KS? I have proven that Gowther's first tactic is mental manipulation. It is literally his special power. And to entertain your idea.
Let's just say that KS is activated and the Sins fall under its effect. Gowther can see through illusions via sensing magic.
We know for a fact that there are limitations to KS. For one, it cannot hide someone's reiatsu. It only affects your five senses. Case in point:
Now since reiatsu and magic are equalized. There is an added advantage that the Sins have over Bleach characters. Several of Sins are adept sensors. They can read the location of someone's magic and even determine its level.
What's more is that Gowther has a built-in 'Scouter' that can determine a person's stats.
Raiatsu crush is still in play lmao
No it's not. Reiatsu crush is about as useful versus the Sins as it as useful against other Bleach characters. And even if we were, this is Meliodas' power. And this is not his full strength.
This is what happened when he lost control of his anger for a moment.
@omgomgwtfwtf: What counter do the Sins have against Ichibe's Zanpaukto?
I have already stated my answer to that in my previous posts. I am arguing that Merlin can seal his zanpakuto with her magic sealing spells. The arguments for Ichibei's zanpakuto are fairly weak.
@omgomgwtfwtf: No, sorry. You don't get to decide what feats are and aren't allowed. Everything he showed against Yhwach is applicable, regardless of your feelings.
It has nothing to do with feelings. Logically how would you define Ichibei's powers? It's non verifiable. His only feat is losing to Yhwach. There is nothing else to actually compare to. This makes for a bad argument. You are using circular logic. Because you would effectively say that Ichibei's powers would work despite his only demonstration of it ends in failure.
I'm not arguing against the match-up as a whole here, my argument is specifically against Merlin, who you say the Bleach side is incapable of doing anything against.
Because no one on the Bleach team is an actual mage. And none have demonstrated the same level of spell casting she is capable of.
Her being able to dispel and seal magic doesn't matter, since Ichibei literally lost his power to Yhwach, and instantly recovered by willing it alone. Ichibei even admits that Yhwach was successful in removing his powers, but that it didn't matter.
No. What happened is that Yhwach literally trolled Ichibei and then killed him.
It required Ichigo saying his name to revive him. My main issue is that Ichibei's powers are ill-defined from a very limited showing and the fact that he was fighting an equally ill-defined opponent. It becomes impractical.
As stated by Ichigo himself:
As an aside, you say the Bleach side doesn't have a telepath, but I distinctly recall Ichibei telepathically communicating to Ichigo to speak his name after the Yhwach fight.
Ah, yes. That magical one instance of Ichigo speaking with Ichibei's spirit. Not like it really changes my point.
I never implied those attacks were universal. Rather that Celestial are pretty much invincible versus the majority of attacks. There are other examples out there. Like how the Mad Celestials are tanking hits from Infinity Gauntlets and Ultimate Nullifiers.
My point is that no name Celestials, e.g. average celestials, have immense durability. Three Mad Celestials took out the whole Council of Reed, who were sporting equipment like this. Just three.
Aizen would activate it as soon as the fight starts before the suns even comprehend they’re in a fight.
Please show me an example of Aizen using KS right at the beginning of any fight. All of his fights involve opponents that have already seen its activation prior. The only time he has used it during a fight was with Barragan and Barragan willingly looked at his sword. And before this, Aizen has a conversation with Barragan.
They might tank casual hits nothing actually serious.
Once again you are merely making conjectures without proof. Ban is literally immortal and remains conscience even after getting decapitated.
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Ban's power involves absorbing other people's physical power and adding them to his own.
Ichigo regularly blitz in the beginning of fights and Ichibei starts by smacking people 1000 ri.
Ichigo doesn't regularly blitz. Ichigo actually regularly tells his opponents to dodge his attacks and in character acts pretty naively.
Kenpachi also likes to troll during fights as well. Going as far as to take hits to please his own thrill for combat. Case in point: His fight with Nnoitra.
1. Teamwork won’t do anything against a team full of characters who can solo.
You're talking out of your ass. You provide no proof just empty gestures.
2. Bleach team has kido users and gotwher has only hurt fodder mentally with his projectiles we see with dreyfus he had to physically touch him and not only would it be suicide to get close to anyone on the team but he would already be under KS.
Lmao. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Here is Gowther using an Illusion on the Demon Chandler, a demon of the highest order.
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Here is Gowther affecting Galan, one of the 10 Commandments.
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If you actually read the Nanatsu No Taizai Manga you would know that Gowther regularly uses subterfuge as a tactic and can actually mentally assault people without touching them.
Please show me an example of mental resistance from the Bleach team. I'll wait. (But fyi they have none whatsoever.)
3. Merlin can’t do that and the equalization only makes it worse becuase now the bleach team can raiatsu crush lmaoooo.
Read my other post. Merlin is adept at sealing magic.
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