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But even from an in-universe perspective, the X-men's job is to protect and train mutants, and to fight threats to all of humanity...

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cool.

I always forget specific details like that because they seem to change all the time. It's just easier to remember Storm controls the weather/is therefor immune to the effects of the weather. Beyond that I kinda just get bored, but I guess it makes sense that if her powers are weakened or taxed, she'd have less immunity. thanks.

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the double standard isn't that they designed both characters to have garish RIDING BOOTS (y'know, like for riding horses? -something done at least just as much by men as by women);

the double standard is that Wein and Cockrum thought it would be weird to see a male hero with bare legs and not a female character.

and, y'know, that's their prerogative, but then why design Colossus to have bare legs with riding boots at all?

Boots that haven't been commonly worn since the 19th century aside.....a double standard infers that two things are equal and not popularly criticized as such. First of all, many people do complain that both male and female super heroes wearing clothing akin to bathing suits to fight crime is stupid and secondly, despite what some progressives or feminists might say, a male character, especially in the 70s or 80s, with bare legs and thigh high boots looks kind of homo-erotic. It would be like saying its not fair that Wolverine and Cyclops can't expose their midriffs or wear heels because the women dress like that.

you're kinda just making it sound like you don't know what a double standard is.

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does Storm ever complain about drafts?

I think the only time I recall was in the X-Men Super Sized Annual involving the Savage Land where she notices the extreme cold that has overtaken the savage land, and then again by implication much later on when she almost dies from exhaustion and hypothermia after repairing Siena Blaze's damage to the atmosphere in X-Men Unlimited #1 (even though her outfit wasn't scanty at all in that issue).

I'm thinking that the comment about the revealing suits probably came from a letters page.

what I meant was, I thought Storm was immune to the effects of the elements, including extreme temperatures; should she even be able to get hypothermia?

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Not sure about this, but I think it was implied somewhere that the unstable molecules of the more skin revealing suits actually had a see through covering of some sort, which was why the heroines weren't always complaining about drafts. I'm not positive, though.

does Storm ever complain about drafts?

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Anybody else think that Beast's astonishing attire could pass as some kinky leather lingerie if it had a crotch zipper?

where.. I'm not getting how that'd make it kinky; isn't that where a zipper usually goes?

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are u saying i have bad taste? i wear alot of blue cause its my favorite color

blue is a great color, no one's denying that.

But the 90's was still the worst time for X-men costumes.

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@oldnightcrawler: You didn't think shikar empire, Phoenix, or Dark Phoenix were great X-Men stories?

Dark Phoenix Saga is certainly noteworthy, certainly pushed the boundries of the genre, but it's also highly overrated and drawn out much longer than it needs to be.

DoFP tells a story no less groundbreaking or epic in only 2 issues. To me it's more of an X-men story, a better told story, and just a better story in general.

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This issue was drawn by Barry Windsor Smith who also drew the two Lifedeath issues that we saw sometime ago. This might be his first issue of the X-Men which is not solely focused on Storm.

Didn't he draw the recent issue where Wolverine and one of the Power Pack kids are chased down by The Reavers??

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*Although I have no idea why anybody really likes Days of Future Past, its popularity is a mystery.

it's because it's the first really good X-men story.

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@oldnightcrawler said:

But in the case of Colossus' disappearing leggings, it's both documented and obvious that such a contrivance is the product of a double standard.

I still do not see what the double standard is. People criticize both Colossus and Storm for wearing ridiculous looking outfits. It's more garish on Colossus because he is a man and thigh high boots are something more commonly worn by a dominatrix or a stripper, two professions that females are more prominent in.

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the double standard isn't that they designed both characters to have garish RIDING BOOTS (y'know, like for riding horses? -something done at least just as much by men as by women);

the double standard is that Wein and Cockrum thought it would be weird to see a male hero with bare legs and not a female character.

and, y'know, that's their prerogative, but then why design Colossus to have bare legs with riding boots at all?

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@oldnightcrawler said:

yeah, I remember the disappearing leggings, too, I always thought they were ridiculous. And the supposed reason for them (that it was weird to see a man with bare legs) was even more ridiculous; besides the double standard that both Marvel Girl and Storm had costumes with bare legs, Beast had been running around in just shorts for a while at that point, and would continue to for years after.

Eh, it's hard to point at comics and call the characters outfits "double standards". I think most people would admit that women running around in high heels and barely clothed to fight crime is a bit ridiculous. I mean the men in comics are all jacked and technically the only thing that separates them from appearing nude is a marker/paintbrush. As for Storm, interestingly enough she is one character whose costume fit her character progression, when she first joins the X-Men she has no problem being half naked because of the culture she comes from, then overtime, as she becomes more associated with the western world, the more she covers herself.

Yeah, Storm makes sense in that she was essentially a nudist when she was being worshiped, and that her powers protect her from extreme temperatures anyway. I still think she looks silly wearing a bathing suit to lead either a school or a superhero team, but I'm willing to admit that's mostly a matter of taste.

But in the case of Colossus' disappearing leggings, it's both documented and obvious that such a contrivance is the product of a double standard.

I think he only wore that diaper looking outfit for one issue. There seemed to be a lot of experimentation with the X-Mens outfits in the mid 80s, particularly Kitty Rachel, Rogue.

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haha.. "diaper looking".. see, I think the thing I liked about that one was that it seemed based on a wrestling uniform, which sort of fit with how this story took place with the X-men coming strait from the gym, er, Danger Room, and also with how both Kitty and Rachel based several of their action suits on their workout attire.