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#1 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

I think FA was probably the best X-over of the 90's, but it's weakest element is kinda that it was line-wide..

The best way to read Fatal Attractions is to read

Reading the build-up to the story in Uncanny X-men gives it a lot more weight, and the other crossover issues aren't really necessary.

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#2 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

Individual outfits, no doubt, uniforms are boring and reserved for henchmen. Besides, isn't it the point of graduating Xaviers school to become "an individual"?

this sort of sums up how I always felt about it. I like when the students wear uniforms, but I like it less on the X-men themselves.

That said, I do kind of like it when the X-men have individualized versions of the uniform, like Cassaday's designs

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#3 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: yeah, I've heard it's quite good, but I've just never gotten around to it

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#4 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: I never read Testament, so I'm not voting, but I really liked Old Man Logan.

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#5 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq:

4. Another angle. Xavier is alive-ish.

It isn't the first time his mind survived the death of his body. Maybe Xavier mind survived in the astral plane, but it took him a while to regain his full power, and he's now guiding Storm.

That or when he was about to die, he managed to tranfer his mind to Storm mind, and is only now starting to make himself known to her.

Xavier's supposed to be the most powerful mind on the planet, which means Shadow King is -at most- second best, and Shadow King can survive without a body, so.. either of these makes sense, and either would be cool.

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#6 Edited by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@paalern3 said:

I have seen that the fatal attractions story only have 6 issues, but the collected edition contains a lot more. Is everything essential reading, or do you understand the story completely if you only read the 6 parts?

The best way to read Fatal Attractions is to read

Reading the build-up to the story in Uncanny X-men gives it a lot more weight, and the other crossover issues aren't really necessary.

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#7 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm said:

@oldnightcrawler:

Hm you're probably right. Not much has happened in those runs, which probably says something. But I wouldn't say the same about Morrison per se. Another run I'm not really fond of, yet is very important for not just the upcoming writer, but the franchise in general. It's all relative I guess.

Even Morison I think you can get away with only reading the first half, really. You get the best and most relevant stuff all in the first half, and lots of the later stuff was either retconned or made irrelevant anyway.

Still, that first half of Morrison's run might be the most relevant X-men comics of the 00's. You could make a case for where Brubaker left off and Fraction picked up -especially if we're considering what was most relevant in more recent stuff, but for overall quality I still think the fist half of Morrison's run and Whedon and Cassaday's run are the only parts that really stood out.

And you could easily say that W&C's run wasn't especially relevant beyond being a good character sequel to Claremont and Morrison's runs. Then again, I wouldn't recommend the majority of either of their runs (even Claremont's -and his is still basically the most relevant), but I would recommend W&C's in it's entirety, so, yeah.

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#8 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm said:
@oldnightcrawler said:

When I think of comics being important, I more think of what actual impact did they have on the medium, genre, or larger cultural context; and there hasn't been an X-men comic I'd put in that category in over a decade (at least).

Beyond that criteria, any comic is only as relevant as it is entertaining, artful, or enjoyable -criteria that could be applied to consider it "good" on some level. If a comic isn't good on any of these levels, why would anyone ever see it as important?

And why recommend something you yourself don't consider good?

I think that Aaron/Bendis X-comics are complete art, joy or entertainment wastes.

Can I dismiss and ignore them to know better the X-men or understand where we are these days?

sure, why not?

what would you really miss? I actually liked Bendis' Uncanny, but if you skipped over that whole period, why would that matter? Wolverine was in charge of the school, Cyclops started his own outlaw school, and the original X-men got stuck in the present day. Some other stuff happened, but if you didn't enjoy those stories, what about any of it was important?

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#9 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@sprior93 said:

@koays: Ugh, why? This is like choosing between a colonoscopy or getting your wisdom teeth removed.

I guess I'll go with X-Factor.

haha! oh, it's not that bad..

All-new X-men wasn't that bad, anyway..

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#10 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@dman1366 said:

@omanlew: well Bendis says they are, but @oldnightcrawler has a very solid proof for them being from an alternate universe

rock-solid