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No female superhero would ever run around in a one-piece bathing suit and thigh-high boots.

That's just weird men drawing their fetish.

I'm inclined to agree.

The new Ms.Marvel's costume is a great update (keeping the most iconic elements of her Carol's classic look, but still looking like clothes a person would wear), and Carol's new costume looks more like a Captain than any other version of Captain Marvel.

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@waezi2 said:

@mattydavehalpeo: There has been teenagers on the Avengers before, like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. It's sort of a tradition for the Earth's Mightiest to allow young heroes to rove their worth.

Exactly! thank you!

-and all 3 of these newer characters already have more experience than QS and SW did when they joined.

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@g_man: Ugh, that's a good one. Those are some dumb powers.

if dumb powers made you the worst X-man, Cyclops would be the worst.

Worse than Goldballs or Maggot at least.

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This is the most interested I've been in an Avengers book in a while.. If this is the main book, it's the most I've been interested in the main series in a really long time.

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I'm not a big Ramos fan, but this book does look pretty great.

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@mark_stephen said:
  1. Well in the case of Carol and Jen they were planned knock offs to keep the copywrite names, and in Carol's a way for Marvel to try and establish a solo female character.
  2. I liked both of them when they were introduced and up until cw with Carol and Jen's collapse against Tony just before and after WWH. Now I plan on selling all my Carol titles on eBay.
  3. With War Machine he wasn't Iron Man
  4. and Spiderman 2099 was a completely different universe, just as the Barry Allan Flash was in a different time and world from the original flash.
  5. I'm afraid I don't know Spectrum so I can't say.

1. well, they were both characters Marvel tried out as solo heroes over the years, but my point is that they both have identities based on pre-existing character names, like Bat Girl, yet we still think of them as classic characters in their own right.

2. you mean you don't like her anymore?

3. My point with War Machine was that he was Iron Man; he was the second Iron Man after Stark (he was the Iron Man in the original Secret Wars, actually), but since even most of the Avengers didn't know Iron man's identity, only the reader knew it was a new guy in the suit. It was only after being Iron Man that he became War Machine.

4. again, different universe in-story doesn't change that those are all characters who got their identities from pre-existing popular characters. Also, since this book is set in the All-new, All-different MU -which is supposed to be a new universe, why doesn't that same logic apply to these characters?

5. Spectrum was, like a lot of great characters, originally called Captain Marvel. She had her own series in the 80's and joined the Avengers the same issue as She-hulk, thus making the team an all-star lineup with new characters (who are now classics in their own right), pretty much just like this team.

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@oldnightcrawler said:

Minor or no, Kamala still has more superhero experience than Stark and Pym combined had when they formed the team. And she's no younger than Spider-man or the X-men were when they started out, which means she's probably the same age as Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were when they joined.

True, but by the time Tony became Iron Man he was an adult and had run a world wide corporation for years and Hank was also an adult. And there just weren't that many super villains around to practice on.

So does that make Kamala's experience less somehow?

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That doesn't seem stupid, that seems really smart.

;) you just don't want to see it.

Well I think you not really smart either, because use a popular thing on a laready popular thing just spoil it.

But use a popular thing to make a less know thing be popular that is clever.

Like using an established character's name on a totally new character? I totally agree :)

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True about the guy who said it, but that brings to question why he'd say it anyway. It's possible the author is painting with a broad brush, saying that Sam will have a problem with people who don't think he's Cap both in and out of the comics. I don't have anything against Sam's character, but the sudden borrowing/copying of so many names and powers bothers me. The heroic journey of a character should not be based or moulded on the heroic journey of another character, especially when I believe most of this marketing and not story driven. It wasn't the authors choice to make Carol Captain Marvel, it was the editors choice. The basic message from marvel here in my opinion is as long as you have the name you have the hero. A character doesn't have to build a reputation or earn an identity, one comes pre-package and market tested for the character. Think of the Monkeys as opposed to the Beatles. The Monkeys were a good act and I enjoyed them but they didn't take the Beatles name when the Beatles broke up and they were never in the Beatles league (as they themselves admitted). (I'm not sure which band broke up first, just using that as an example). With Sam -or anyone being Cap- we get the message that all you really need is the name and the shield, that heroism isn't special to a specific person, just a specific costume.

I see what your saying, but since I know that -in this case- Sam and Kamala are actually cool characters in their own right, what they are called is, like you say, just how they're marketed; to me that doesn't make them less as characters, it just means Marvel wants more people to know about them, and since I like those characters, I don't see how that's bad.

It's not any different than when DC made up Barry Allen or Hal Jordan and gave them established characters names, or Johny Storm for that matter; I mean, I like Ant-Man (Lang) and She-Hulk and Carol Danvers and War Machine and Spectrum and Spider-Man 2099 and ..you get the point. lots of great characters have used other characters names. To me it's just not a big deal if the character themselves is interesting. And in the case of Falcon, he proved to me that he was interesting decades before he became Cap', so.. meh?

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@ramior said:
@oldnightcrawler said:

I just honestly don't think it's a stupid decision.

Is a stupid decision, you just don't want see it.

Plus like Mark Stephen say your example are false since they are the first super heroes appear since WWII and back then they have no team or orginastion for new super heroes.

Having a such young character with no supervision directly to the top team when is place should be in a team like the new warrior or young avengers is stupid, she in this team because she the only character who popularity toward a larger audience then comics fan but instead of use is popularity toward a less know team, marvle decide to intrege her toward the famous, and milkit, team of the present team.

This is simply idiotic.

That doesn't seem stupid, that seems really smart.

;) you just don't want to see it.

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