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I hear your argument, but I can't validate it bro. I disagree with just about all of your points. No way Frieza was similar to Majin Buu (one of six diff. versions). each saga was literally that; a Saga. It wasn't just "beat one enemy, bring on the next", it was a lot of background and story development that led up to these grand boss battles. Background and story development that was unique, BG and SD that we all grew to love.

Trying to be as unbiased as possible. I keep going back to it, but that background and story development was some of the most dynamic and interesting writing in all anime. When have you ever actually been bored (action OR plot) watching a DBZ episode? Kinda unheard of. In hindsight it wasn't the greatest show, but that's only looking at it in this generation's paradigm. Having a new-age perspective on a classic anime like that makes it hard for clear judgement (the animation was still grainy for godssake!).

In the end I can respect your disappointments with certain aspects of the anime, I cannot respect your opinion of it tho. It is far from a basic anime (very inventive fighting style, lovely drama, and ultimately pioneered fighting anime today). DBZ is five stars.

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Plot device or not, it exists in someone's intellectual property and can be explained. Opinions on its purpose are pretty much insignificant.

To continue, the Phoenix is a universal, re-animating cosmic entity with the general consensus of being the biggest threat to the Marvel universe. The Phoenix is fire and life personified, it is the symbolization of destruction and rebirth, and the over-arching circuit that is the universe. The Phoenix arrives in a similar fashion to a small-scale apocalypse. Appearing to bring its symbolic cycle of rebirth (but not before destruction).

However the Phoenix requires a host to do so, fusing with the most suitable being (Jean Grey) granting the host endless abilities. Ideally it should work mutualisticly, but the Phoneix Force is too strong for one host to fully contain, therefore over time their conscious becomes gradually more corrupt.

You can see the Phoenix as Marvel's depiction of yin and yang. The corruption is associated with the destruction the Phoenix must bring (yang), while the rebirth that follows would represent (yin). If the host cannot fully contain/balance the Phoenix force--which is usually the case--the entropy leads to a Dark Phoenix host.

Phoenix force weilders have limitless capabilities. They are, of course, capable of great destruction typically in a fiery manner. They are also capable of manipulating all aspects of life: They can take and give life. Reconstruct their physical appearance as well as the appearance of others. Alter the physiology of already living beings (Colossus gave whales legs cus he wanted them to walk!). Create matter. It is llimitless creativity of life manipulation. The Phoenix force also enhances the hosts' innate abilities to exponentially greater levels.

All in all the Phoenix has a huge history with the mutant population, and being that it is a re-animating entity, like it or not we're going to see it a lot. I personally enjoy Phoenix appearances (especially in AVX).

Anyways hope this helps.

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How did he lose it again?

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Not too familiar with all of Flash's capabilities (apparently endless), but someone enlighten me on the details of speed stealing. Observably its something the Flashes can do extremely fast to multiple enemies that usually result in a Flash "stomp", or "solo" in situations with even pretty dire odds.

What exactly is speed stealing? The mechanics? The effectiveness? The character aspect of it? Scans? etc.

Someone bring me up to speed.

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I can't down anyone's opinion but I can't believe you guys are debating this LOL. Ay is way faster than Guy, for one. And since we're power scaling: Guy is on Kakashi's level while Ay is on the Fourth's. If guy > Ay (heck even if guy = Ay) then my math's off. I don't think Guy could defeat Bee either. Guy sensei is too vulnerable to someone like this. Raikage destroys the forest then goes to work on the decent threat Guy poses.

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Black bolt. His scream has torn through our reality before (and that wasn't full power). Yellow ring can't conpare. Once he catches Sinestro--and he will--even slightly it will have huge affect, creating the simplest of openings for Black Bolt to finish him off with no morals.

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I agree with the consensus; Kal isn't gonna bother the Dr. at all. Honestly this is a very big mismatch (which is why the Dr. consciously avoids conflict--I believe he's above all that).

But if he is bloodlusted for some reason, he will find a way to destroy Kal. At the end of the day he is flesh, and Dr. Manhattan is on immeasurable levels above flesh (we can all agree). Not only that, the Dr. creates matter--you don't just CREATE matter, guys. He will have very little trouble--if bloodlusted--at finding a method to take Superman's life. I don't see it any other way.

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@soothing_sounds: I hear you, but I think you're only speaking from a tangible, plot standpoint. I'm judging his scale based on his abilities' potential.

Madara didn't want to destroy the leaf, he was concerned of the balance of power between the senju/uchiha. It would not be difficult for Madara to take out the leaf's relatively primitive infrastructure, it is a matter of motives. Pain destroyed the village with one jutsu (not that difficult).

While Madara hasn't displayed actually threatening the planet, and considering that his form is flesh (in round 2 [which still doesn't affect his scale]), given his capacity (not to mention unlimited chakra/rinnegan/senju cells in round 1) he is worthy of being deemed a planetary threat, feel me?