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@thelocust619: Do you have any kind of scans for that? I'd like to see that.

Either way, Madara can heal from more than tony can dish out. And his perfect susano'o almost makes it unfair IMO.

Idk how much of the manga you read, but look at it this way: Madara can make the five kages look like children (no exaggeration). He makes it hopeless for them to even think about stopping him. Now switch Madara w/ Tony and tell me how you think that would go.

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@princearagorn1: No sir. Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are not Itachi's private techniques.

Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o are the three techniques granted to an Uchiha after awakening their Mangekyou sharingan (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Susanoo).

This is stated several times throughout the series. This is how Sasuke is able to use all three techniques as well (no it is not because he has Itachi's eyes as he used all three of these techniques well before that happened). Only after awakening both Amaterasu (left eye) and Tsukyomi (right eye) can a person activate their susano'o.

Koto Amatsukami was Shisui's private genjutsu technique: this is true. Although I don't have the explanation as to why only Shisui's eyes posses that ability, I know it is similar to how only Obito' sharingan can access the Kamui dimension. While these techniques are private, amaterasu, tsukuyomi and susano'o are not.

Obito only had one rinnegan so it's very hard to trace consistencies in his abilities. He was however able to control the bijuu's via chakra rods--proof of at least one rinnegan ability. He only has one sharingan (his right eye) as well which explains how he can't use amaterasu (left eye) or susano'o (both eyes).

Madara did not have any eyes at all as he was battling the bijuu so of course he couldn't use any rinnegan techniques. He lost them immediately after the rinne tensei activated (photo 1). He just recently got his rinnegan back (photo 2).

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@princearagorn1: Can you elaborate on the "details" you're referring to?

You disagree that he can use shinra tensei, but you believe that he will use it in the next chapter? Either you only choose to consider techniques with tangible showings, or you just seriously contradicted yourself. Your post says one of the two.

Maybe you don't get what I'm saying. Here's a list of some of the other most effective jutsu we've seen in the series that Madara should wield but hasn't used:

  1. Amaterasu
  2. Tsukuyomi (or any other genjutsu above the level of that which he used against the Raikage).
  3. The six paths techniques (other than Preta path) granted by the rinnegan.

IMO the same can be said about these techniques. It is obvious that he possesses the ability to use these, but for one reason or another (he's way too strong for everyone, had Hashirama on his knees as he took his chakra, and has honestly no reason to go all out yet) he has chosen not to use them.

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#7  Edited By Odinsonnn

@princearagorn1: I didn't even realize that the meteor was still there lol. Gotta appreciate the consistency in that writing.

And while I know that it is pretty close to "speculation" (which CV hates): He has the rinnegan, and he's used the Preta Path to absorb ninjutsu on multiple occasions--both of which indicate (not speculate) he has the ability to use shinra tensei: Deva Path.

As useful as it may be, ask yourself: has he ever really needed to use it? (The same can be said about the list of other techniques he has, but opts not to use.)

So I don't buy that "he would've if he could've" <---that logic applies to most ppl, but Madara isn't most ppl. He still hasn't shown his full strength (ie. had his back against the ropes).

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@superbot400: I never said he hasn't survived an attack of that caliber, but that I haven't seen it (leaving room for someone who has seen such to inform me--so thanks for that). My subpoint was that, in the event that he has never displayed durability on that level, than this is indeed a stomp; seeing how meteor spam isn't even his full power.

You're correct: in his prime (vs. Hashirama)he didn't have a rinnegan yet. But he did awaken it before he died. And the current Madara is alive and well with a rinnegan, at the moment.

He definitely still has his sharingan techniques according to the latest Chapter 658.

@thelocust619 said:

Can't Iron Man tank nukes at 0.02% power? How does he not repulsor the sht outta Madara? And what can Madara even do to that? He's strong, don't get me wrong, but not tank nukes at .02% strong....

And how do we even know sharingan-based genjutsu will work when there's a screen of some sort between their gazes? That's like getting tagged through a TV...

I was wondering whether genjutsu would work behind Tony's helmet too. Probably not.

Shinra Tensei should be able to deflect his repulsors (which normal humans have tanked alone). I can't get an exact comparable estimate to 0.02% of a nuke but here's the best I got:

The nuke used in WWII against Japan was equivalent to (approximately) 15-20 kilotons of TNT. If we take 0.02% of the full estimate (20kt), we get (0.0002 * 20 = ) 0.004 kilotons which is exactly equal to 8000 pounds.

One pound of TNT (according to construction forums) is enough to move and split 1 cubic yard of rock (2200 lbs). Multiplying that by 8000 lbs of TNT (0.02% of a nuke) we can say that 0.02% of a nuke is enough to destroy 17, 600,000 tons of rock.

According to multiple Answerbag calculations under Earth Sciences & Geology. A single 10,000 ft tall mountain weighs (approximately) 8.17*(10^17) tons or 817,000,000,000,000 tons.

With all this math we can pretty accurately say that 0.02% of a nuke--capable of destroying 17,600,000 tons of rock--couldn't even destroy one percent of said (relatively and generously small) mountain. To quote a post from Answerbag:

"To put it in perspective if you drilled under said [10,000 ft tall] mountain and buried the biggest nuclear warhead ever made underneath and set it off, the mountain would barely quiver and there would be no noticeable release of radiation or heat to the environment."

Considering that Madara can slice a mountain in half with the residual force from the swing of his (perfect susano'o) blade. Tony's feat of "tanking" that nuke leaves him as nothing more fodder.

Correction: two mountains.
Correction: two mountains.

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#9  Edited By Odinsonnn

Lets not debate about this whole chakra thing, guys.

The OP says Tony has chakra (for the sake of the battle). Tony has chakra; bottom line. The reason he said so was to avoid all this pointless banter. It is well within the CV rules, therefore no one here has the right to dispute that. If you don't approve, simply leave this thread.

Madara pretty much wins this one, though. He has the rinnegan, his durability is better than Tony's human durability (and most of his suits). He can instantly heal his wounds (thanks to Hashirama)--not to mention his Zetsu can restore his limbs (if the damage even gets that bad). He has sage chakra. And his destructive force (perfectly stabilized susano'o/meteors) is well on par, if not above Tony's.

He survived being tossed around by all nine bijuu's, and completely healed all damage done--completely blind.

If someone can prove Tony/or his suit surviving a meteor-level or above attack, then this battle is debatable. If not, this is a stomp.

Oh, and genjutsu is NOT telepathy.

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I haven't seen any suit of Tony's survive an attack of the calibur of @princearagorn1's scan (let alone multiple meteors).