Can i ask why you don’t think we should calc drag?
Because if you do the feat can not happen and instead would be something far more different than what we see on-screen no matter the power of the hit.
So ignore that part of physics? I think it could happen with drag force, I just think the hit would be a lot lot stronger.
I don’t understand how we can ignore the air drag, it seems like a pretty big factor.
Yes, as it is ignored in the feat itself. Like i said increase the power as much as you want its not ending up anything like the feat we see happen.
Because it makes the feat impossible and the show itseld clearly ignored it. Drag being ignored is not uncommon in fiction with the most popular example i can think of being bullets going underwater in movies.
@nwname: <Uses timeframe of 576 seconds for the feat as if gravity made sense in the scene>
576 seconds is the accurate time here for a body to rise till that altitude, no body can reach 408 Km is max height in 10 seconds ,. But you would need to know physics for that.
<;as if it made sense for her to wait to fall for over 4 minutes>
Sense has got no place in physics
<and gets a result 3000 times lower than what i got>
What you got doesn't matter since it was completely wrong ,lol
<If you are confusing kilotons (tnt) with a unit of power like watts it isn't, its a unit of energy so dividing by timeframe would not give kilotons but would give watts. At best its misleading as it makes the impact you calculated at building busting level seem far more impressive to most.>
When I said 72 kilotons of tnt is the power is the power it clearly means this is the energy output of the punch in one second but still 72 kilotons of tnt per second , Happy now .
<Yeah no, you already assumed the punch lasts 0.06/1000 = 0,00006 seconds. Stop making up shit to make it seem impressive after you already made the feat low tier with assumptions. You got the velocity to just ~14 km/s so KE is roughly 9 GJ which is nowhere close to kilotons of TNT equivalent.>
Total energy output isn't the 'power' lmfao here I didn't find it necessary to state it but I will do it anyways here power is time varying given by
F^2 t/m. Here F is the force given in the OP t is time in seconds and m is the mass of thor now if you know even a little bit of physics you will understand why is it so or ask I will explain , what you calculated is the total energy yield in 0.00006 seconds and I have previously stated many times work done doesn't indicate how good the feat is power does. Total yield is given by. F^2t^2/2m so for time t = 0.00006 sec total yield is not that big but power is.
<Also punch lasting 5 seconds while the velocity is a bit over 14 km/s would need Carol's arm to be over 70 000 meters long instead of the 0.4m you get from the "1000 times boxer hit" assumption and the last time i checked she wasn't country sized>
Slow brain isn't it only one word "bullrush" one of the guys even state this above.
<Also 21 GN is 2.1 million tons not 21>
Typo although doesn't matter much since force is already given in Newtons.
<I did one like this initially but scrapped>
Oh so you did what I did ,ok tell me how is dUy/dt(1/2) =. R^2 g/(R + ymax)^2
<As there is no way the flight lasted over 9 minutes like it would if gravity worked normally.>
Law of gravitation doesn't change as you want it ,lmfao .
Guy has never done physics in life ever but still tries argue over it ,lmfao .
I know that. I already said it would be the case if gravity wasn't wonky in the scene.
Are you trying to say physics is nonsense? Its pretty clear in the scene she didn't scream for 9 minutes to gain altitude and wait to fall back. From the story perspective that is absurd. You are free to keep downplaying if you think the scene really represented that.
You called me downplayer because of that despite putting the feat 3+ orders of magnitude lower than i do and it is not wrong for the assumptions i made ie altitude negligible to total distance and screen time = real time. I already said there were cuts so real result should be lower but i don't think itd be by much.
You should add that first or hell not add at all as its at best deceptive to people that don't give attention to that detail. As people already took it as an upgrade over 7 kt of energy and you didnt seem to care im assuming you are intentionally misleading. Its no different than saying "Tsar bomba has a power of 1.2 billion megatons" as its power in watts is 5.3x10^24 watts or saying "a .50 cal bullet has a power of 200000000+ joules" because the impact is very brief.
Impact from someone bullrushing at you wouldn't last long either. Flying and pushing while doing that however would, but that is mostly combat inapplicable as its force would be nothing compared to delivering the same energy in a hit and the velocity wouldnt stay at a static 14 km/s if force is still applied over the duration.
2770/288,32 = 9,607 but 9,807 * (6371^2)/(6779^2) = 9,807 * 0.883 = 8.66 so it isn't even correct based on the numbers you used. Normally Uy/t(1/2) would give gravitational acceleration as it is the max velocity/time until vertical velocity gets to zero but here you seem to have only used gravity at the altitude of 408 km above surface instead of using one that goes from ~9.81 to 8.66. Using either of the gravities only doesn't give too large an error in any case.
It however changes as the writers want it to do. In the show its pretty clear Thor doesnt fall for 4+ minutes.