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True, true... But if the Flash is stealing oxygen - by the mean of a vaccuum I suppose, that means it disappears for him also, isn't it? I'd say he needs it even more. Could take quite a while for it to affect the target, too.

@thespartanb345t: They didn't survive a direct hit, because no known material on Earth can survive a direct hit from a nuke. I'm not aware of what you're talking about regarding the Atoll tests, so until you link a source explaining what you mean that's definitely wrong. Sure, the ships could have been on the same island but anything directly hit by a nuke turns into plasma, so there's no way the ship was directly hit. It was probably a mile or so away, and considering how fast the force and heat dissipate as distance increases, that's a huge difference.

Operation Crossroad...

"... consisted of two detonations, each with a yield of 23 kt (96 tj). Able was detonated over Bikini on July 1, 1946 and exploded at an altitude of 520 ft (160 m), it but was dropped by aircraft about 1,500 to 2,000 ft (460 to 610 m) off target. It sank only five of the ships in the lagoon. Baker was detonated underwater at a depth of 90 ft (27 m) on July 25, sinking eight ships. The second underwater blast created a large condensation cloud and contaminated the ships with more radioactive water than was expected. Many of the surviving ships were too contaminated to be used again for testing and were sunk."

There were 95 test ships, only 13 of them sunk as a result of the blasts. Here are some of them, clearly visible in the blast:

Okay, you're blatantly ignoring context at this point. The blast wave of a nuke (which you can protect yourself from if you have a bunker) isn't the primary effect at close range. If you are miles away from the nuke you might survive if you have an actual basement or bunker, and a basement would probably not even safe you from death.

Resisting the primary effects of a nuke is rather easy: It's the fallout that becomes a problem for the survivors.

Real-life figures? There isn't another way to quantify a nuke, because the point-blank power of a nuke isn't comparable to any material on Earth; it would destroy anything it touched.

You used astronomically high numbers to amaze an delight your interlocutor while dropping about 50% of the necessary data for comprehension.

This is pretty ironic, considering that you claimed that you can survive a nuke if you dig a hole in your backyard. Extreme hyperbole or not, you're blatantly lowballing or just ignorant of the topic entirely. A nuke at point-blank range turns objects to plasma. That's vaporizing something. It's just gone. And the force of a nuke would also tear somebody apart at a molecularlevel if they were at a point-blank range to it.

Armor-piercing weapons would never even scratch something dense enough to survive a nuke.

That's anything. You should have done some research before posting this, don't you think?

Nukes are of the "High Explosive" (HE) sort of damage: That type of damage is omnidirectional, meaning that it goes in all direction at once. What makes a nuke is the exceptional wield, not necessarly it's power, furthermore against armored targets.

"Armor Piercing" (AP) damage, on the other hand, focuses power into opening the armor, then "spits" its charge (which can be nuclear) in it, bypassing it. A bunker will protect you against a nuke, but not against a bunker-buster charge.

Dead on.

@thespartanb345t: Then why did WWII ships survived a direct hit at the Bikini Atoll tests?

Why can you protect yourself against the primary effect of a nuke by digging a hole in your backyard?

Instead of focusing on astronomically nerdish numbers, you should first learn what a nuke is, in relation with, say, armor-piercing weapons.

@takenstew22: But since a bloodlusted Flash is so broken he could probably casually counter all of these with his speed alone.

More PIS than speed, actually, with a smidge of pseudo-scientific extrapolation. There's no way speed can beat the intangible.

- Perception, premonition, danger sense etc.

- Reflexes - agility will make you hard to tag to begin with.

- Combat skills, especially re-direction martial arts, like Aikido.

- Force fields

- Illusions

- Desolidification

- And my personal favorite: Density increase.

Wanked Superman is pretty much invincible.

@onlyoneempereor: Just realize Foddernos will lose everytime to Superman, the lowball on black widow xD

hela is fodder.

Amen. No amount of rationale is required, of course. Just give the eager zealot here a brownie point for his ridiculous, exemplary blind Superfaith then let's take another call.

@onlyoneempereor: You said Batman and Widow have better combat speed than Superman, that’s enough for knowing you troll.

I didn't merely wrote it - I gave ample argumentation for it, then I was branded as a heretic by the Supercult without any other form of argumentation. One can't deal with religious zeal, since it's irrational. :D

Hela is fodder and can’t do anything to Superman, Smallville Superman was able to casually move a planet after he learned his full potential. Hela being stronger than Thor doesn’t really mean anything. A regular person is closer to MCU Thor in strength than he is to Smallville Superman. That’s just strength. Superman is FTL and has survived being in the bleed, something which crumbles universes. It’s a mismatch =)

Well, if DC's fundamental, universal forces can't deal with some mortal alien experiencing a different sun colour, it is the poorer for it.

Until you find a way that a muggleburger such as any Supes, with his bread-and-butter powers, can hurt Hela, Norse goddess of Death, he loses even if you amped him up a thousand fold and add a thousand clones. It's like trying to punch Vision when he is intangible: It isn't a matter of strength. Supes, any Supes loses against Hela because all the speed/strength/durability in the universe can't buy an ounce of hax.

@onlyoneempereor: You said black widow has better combat speed than Superman and Mcu Hela beats smallville Superman lol, I will @ you only in Mcu vs Mcu since otherwise you are definitely trolling.

Okay, so you come here, give no argument whatsoever and discuss about me rather than the OP, but I am the troll?

PS - Yes, Black Widow and Batman - any martial artist worth its weight in beans - demonstrated more combat speed than DCEU Supes, who just adapts travel speed for a bullrush.

And yes, you can bet your pathetic arse that Hela ridicules Smallville, and the whole planet it is set on, at least until one Superman zealot explain to me how the heck does a mundane flying brick beats a fundamental power like Hela, who just can't be hurt by any muggle mean.