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@b_r023 said:

@chazzer: Doubtful. Maw didn't show the ability to freeze people in the infinity war as you claim it IIRC. And besides, Superman is still way tooooo fast, Maw would be a statue to him just like Diana was. He won't even have a chance to form a thought before he gets one shot.

So Superman can act faster than he can think?

...

Ha ha ha.

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#2  Edited By Nucleon

That was a nice one about the speed =) The battle field is also great. Where is it?

Do Kryptonians still have that magic vulnerability thing? If yes, even their speed won't be of much use, is it? I think it would be better to "equilize" that.

With the magic vulnerability out of the picture (and speed back to naormal), the Kryptonians have a physical edge on Thor, but not on Hela. Thor's hammer and fighting skills (Zod is probably a better fighter than Superman) could equilize the field. At the end, Thor unites with Superman... and together they lose. =)

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@crunch5481: ok so Wonder Woman and cyborg tagged him multiple times, with far less distractions going on around then. Wonder woman’s reactions are only marginally better, cyborgs are non existent as are aquaman’s, and flash is completely inept in a fight. Everybody there was perceiving Superman just fine, Superman was clearly not in character, and still managed to get tagged multiple times, and the only time he ever made anyone look like a statue was when dealing with flash, at no point did he do that in combat vs any of the other leaguers. Superman can’t hold off this many enemies at once, and was taken off guard and tagged multiple times by a team with less members and with less power than the avengers alone. With this many players and the diversity of their power meets, there is no way Superman can deal with it. To think otherwise would be complete wank.

He’ll get tagged plenty, and when he does he’s gonna feel it, unlike the justice league.

WW's reactions are only marginally better than who's? Superman's? Obviously not. Thor's or anyone else on this time bar Quicksilver? Her reactions her way better than all of them.

The only one able to perceive Superman when he was using his speed was the Flash. Obviously the others could still perceive him when he was barely moving/walking around.

You're right he wasn't in character, but does not mean that he:

1. Is immune to Plot-Induced-Stupidity

2. Is going all out

These two things are obvious because he was shown to very easily dispatch all the members of the league if he wanted to, but he didn't from the start because he didn't want to. As for why he was tagged, that's because of PIS he had to be hit with something if not just to show off his durability as literally nothing they hit him with did anything.

He didn't go super-speed mode against the other leaugers because he didn't need to and because of PIS.

It's not wank to suggest a character will be using their abilities to their fullest extent in VS battle setting in which certain restraints such as Plot-Induced-Stupidity do not exist. There is no reason in this battle for him to not use his super-speed and therefore he will constantly be using it unlike against the Justice League. I would say the same thing if Fox QS was put up against these guys, Fox QS would be untouchable and would at least draw a stalemate against these guys, due to his vastly superior speed. The difference between Fox QS and Superman in this scenario is that while Fox QS seems to be faster combat wise, Superman has the strength and capabilities to actually take the entire team out, all while moving to fast to be touched.

As for AoU Quicksilver, he tires out extremely fast as shown during the train scene when he is struggling to catch his breath..

Nobody ever has to catch their breath in DC, not even Batman. DC is the fantaisist universe, and they are much more indulgent when it comes to demonstrate power.

An exemple: Superman's speed: I can understand that either the Flash or Quicksilver, or even WW have what it takes to perceive the universe in slo-mo when they superspeed, but how come Superman has such a "super-speed mode"? Do you have one? He isn't a magician nor does he taps into a supernatural source as the Speedforce, so how come he doesn't experience inertia, velocity, or the narrowing of one's perception as he speeds? It's like Superman's speed doesn't affect him, but the universe around him - Supermagic. In any case, such fanservice prestidigitation doesn't prevent Superman to be tagged by opponents who are considered much slower than any Marvel character.

Marvel's world is, even within the scope of comicbooks, closer to our physical laws. It's incredible the amount of DC fans that thinks that Marvel's regular heroes, such as the Hulk or Cap, do not have super-speed in the sense that it is over human capabilities, and the result of their muscular etc augmentations. It just doesn't have the silly bullet-time slo-mo time-stop except for genuine speedsters such as Quicksilver, but make no mistakes: Other Marvel heroes can be fast enough, and there are numerous exemples.

It's more a matter of company philosophy and perception than speed.

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@nucleon said:

@azrael1973: In these extracts you posted - Wow, Superman dodges a blow, but Thor have already done so plenty of times, plus he usually deliver one of his own at the same time. That must be because Thor is a real fighter, while Superman is a poser (and a dick - come on, admit it).

In another one of these extracts, Superman misses what looks like quite an ackward attack. What's your point? That "super-speed" isn't the end of it all? I agree!

As for WW's vid, Cap would have done the same with his shield, obviously. You were charmed by the Slomo.

Your reply wasn't impressive, I am afraid. Furthermore because you evaded nearly all points in the post you replied to.

Are you trolling me? Does Thor dodge while his opponent move in slow motion. Superman misses someone who is even faster then him. Well I guess you must be the Alt of someone well known.

What's the difference? I'll tell you what I think it is: Slomo effects.

How do you explain the Hulk catching an ejected fighter seat in the first Avenger movie? That's as much combat speed that you'll find in Superman... Except the Hulk actually succeded in catching the fast target. =)

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@azrael1973: In these extracts you posted - Wow, Superman dodges a blow, but Thor have already done so plenty of times, plus he usually deliver one of his own at the same time. That must be because Thor is a real fighter, while Superman is a poser (and a dick - come on, admit it).

In another one of these extracts, Superman misses what looks like quite an ackward attack. What's your point? That "super-speed" isn't the end of it all? I agree!

As for WW's vid, Cap would have done the same with his shield, obviously. You were charmed by the Slomo.

Your reply wasn't impressive, I am afraid. Furthermore because you evaded nearly all points in the post you replied to.

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@unorthodoxx: Ah, come on - you guys make way too many mileage out of what you describe as "super-speed". IMO, the hype is cause by excessive use of slo-mo. Just take the Hulk in the first Avenger flick, when he catches the ejecting seat of a fighter he is riding on: film this in slo mo - et voila, the Hulk have super-speed. Or when Thor dodges incoming blows to score one of his own, here and there in slo-mo - does that mean that Thor is superfast? Well, yes, he is - along with every Marvel character that has some kind of strength augmentation, such as Captain America. Beyond that it is a question of dosage.

Second, Superman's super-speed doesn't seem to do him much good against augmented opposition: It's good against the environment, bank-robbing thugs or CGI goo-people, but speed doesn't mean agility, and that's why he regularly gets tagged.

Now, the fight: Hulk can solo Superman on his own - the last time Superman battled an opponent like the Hulk, he died.

Thor will have it less easy, but think about it: A no-morale combat? What would prevent Thor to use his magic hammer to kill Supes as if he was a generic troll? Superman can't so one-shot Thor. Thor, in any form, is a lot better fighter than Supes, who always had it too easy to develop advanced fighting skills.

And how would Supes defeat the Vision when he is intangible is beyond me. The Vision's also got a hell of an energy projecting device, nothing less than an Infinity stone.