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IMO, pretty much anyone can wield SB, except those who are truely, muscularly weak. It doesn't have the exclusivity enchentment Odin placed on Mjolnir.

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#2  Edited By Nucleon

@rbt said:

I mean, if you pit a brick with no better speed feats than a peak human against characters who can move as fast as bullets and even far faster than that, the brick is losing. Especially with other attributes like strength, striking and durability being comparable. If that hurts your feeling, then its really your problem.

If both combattants are equals, but one is faster, he should win, right.

Likewise, if both combattants are equals, but one is stronger, or more durable, or more intelligent, or more skilled, he should win too. It's called "having a ____ advantage".

I laugh at one-attribute fights, and at those who believe in them. I don't think there ever was a speedster who ever beaten a brick, like ever. The overwhelming majority of brick/speester fight usually end with an un-conscious speedster.

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Diana hits the Abom about 10 times for each hit he places on her.

However, the fights ends as soon as this particular hit is delivered. WW can cut and mark Abom, but she can't affect him.

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#6  Edited By Nucleon

Ozy is amazing, but I don't think he ever got hurt - his durability is questionable. Does XBones have the skill to tag Ozy? Yes, eventually. Will he have the time to get there? He's got a solid armor and is a tough SoB to begin with, we know he can tank Cap up to a certain degree. Ozy doesn't strike that hard - he's more on skill, reflexes, and a way to "go inside" in a fight, placing hits with surgical precision, depleting his foe, not-so-slowly, surely.

Yeah, Ozy 7/10. Crossbones took on Cap, Ozy took on Dr Manhattan.

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Israel, maybe - it's the most occidental out there, but also quite exclusive for those of us who are goyim, like me. It also got a despicable reputation abroad (and for cause).

Myanmar/Burma always fascinated me, as if I already went there, somehow. But I would probably end up somewhere in Thailand, or in Malaysia.

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#8  Edited By Nucleon

@god_spawn: Your first point makes no sense. I suggested no such thing. And there is zero category Namor is superior to Clark in.

Yes - you suggested that Superman is the clear superior; He isn't: Thor is more powerful, Hulk is stronger, and Hercules' a better fighter, than Superman.

Namor is under her where it matters. Diana is still capable of hurting Clark, tanking hits and keeping pace with him and at times has been arguably said to have better reflexes.

WW survived Superman; She clearly was the under-dog there, the one that was in danger, and only got thru thanks to her magical gear, which was cutting Supes as if he was a muggle. She will have no such luck against Namor.

Namor has also been one shot by Thor, was tricked into being restrained in his cape, and was on the verge of losing a third fight between him. He’s had an interrupted fight with Hercules where they were relatively even and then another when he was trying to fight Hercules who didn’t want to fight and at best gave him a bloody lip with a diving foot stomp that didn’t even budge him while Herc was knocking him around. Namor had to take it underwater only for it to be interrupted by Namora. You want to argue about paygrade, Clark has advantages they don’t, same for Wonder Woman. Namor’s scaling to them doesn’t transfer over to beating Diana. Namor has also had issues beating classic Thing, or Iron Man as far as bricks go too, both weaker and less durable than Thor or Hercules unless you twist their stuff around as well.

And WW was shot and hurt by a rifle shot. Lowballing won't affect the what, half hundred fight Namor had with these guys. Namor's undoubtely high-tier level, whereas WW is the poster-girl for mid-levels.

Superman’s weaknesses have nothing to do with this. You want to dismiss Diana’s gear as her only means of being a threat to Clark, but her stats are fine to compete. You can’t throw hers out and then scale Namor to make him a threat. And as I said, even if throw a bone and say they are equal in strength and durability if you twist certain feats and whatnot, Namor has some cutting resistance feats like titanium cutting lasers etc, but he’s not invulnerable to blades, just durable. And aside from that he’s still much slower, he’s had trouble tagging Daredevil, Wolverine, Spider-Man, T’Challa, Cap, etc just off the top of my head. He’s got a few feats that make him decently fast for a Marvel heavy hitter, but consistently he’s so inconsistent to begin with. Those advantages do count, and with her gear like her idk, molecular cutting sword and lasso, Namor is screwed.

Namor is stronger, tougher than WW.

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Whatever it is, Joker is the most memorable movie.

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#10  Edited By Nucleon

@god_spawn: Only Superman level in certain categories,

Above Superman-level in others. Superman, any Superman, isn't TOAA.

and regardless,’ Namor is still under them where it counts.

I don't think so. When she was fighting Superman, WW clearly was playing above her weight class, whereas Namor always was on par with these guys - even in their own titles.

And with that said, he’s bringing no discernible advantage against Diana with PC feats under her belt AND gear. Even if I throw Namor a bone and say they are debatably equal in strength or Namor more so if people wanna play with scaling, and say durability as well, Diana is still faster and with her equipment, Namor has little chance at a majority here.

WW has much more chances against Superman - due to his vulnerability to her magical gear - than Namor, who has no particular weakness against them.