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DBZ - SSJ Gogeta is overrated, Potara Fusion >>> Fusion Dance

So there is this ongoing debate on whether the Potara Fusion is stronger than the Fusion Dance, and who is stronger between Gogeta and Vegito. A lot of people claim that they are about equal, which in my opinion is outright false. This blog aims to clear up all the misconceptions, and state why Vegito is superior to Gogeta by a substantial margin. Also, power chains will be included throughout the blog for references.

This blog will bring forth two key points:

  1. The Potara Fusion is infinitely superior to the Fusion Dance in terms of power.
  2. Vegito would trash any transformation of Gogeta (SSJ, SSJ2 or SSJ3).
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  • Potara Fusion between Goku and Vegeta is way stronger than the hypothetical Fusion Dance between Goku and Mystic Gohan

It is established that by fighting SSJ3 Gotenks and later absorbing their powers, Super Buu is completely familiar with the fusion dance and the power it has. That was how he managed to absorb Gotenks, to hide for 1 hour because he knew thats when Trunks and Goten could fuse again.

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When Goku confronted Buutenks, Buutenks expressed his confidence that even with Goku and Mystic Gohan fused using the Fusion Dance (which was his interpretation of Goku and Gohan fusing, when in reality they were trying to fuse using the Potara, one that Buu had no knowledge about), he would destroy both of them - this is stated both in the manga and anime. Yet, the Potara Fusion between Goku and Vegeta enabled Vegito to stomp Buuhan - who is even stronger than Buutenks and is the strongest incarnation of Super Buu.

Bear in mind that at this point, Buutenks' inherited Piccolo's intelligence, and Piccolo is known to be able to accurately predict the outcome of fights assuming he knows the gist of his own strength and his opponents, so Buutenks' confidence of his own superiority over the hypothetical Fusion Dance between Goku and Mystic Gohan is credible.

Put this into context. Mystic Gohan is significantly stronger than Vegeta, yet the hypothetical combined fusion between Goku and Mystic Gohan would be much weaker than the Potara Fusion between Goku and Vegeta - when Vegeta is weaker than Mystic Gohan. And this would make the hypothetical fusion between Goku and Mystic Gohan much stronger than Gogeta. This is one reason why the Potara Fusion is verifiably superior to the Fusion Dance.

A common misconception is that the fused being is based on the individual with the weaker power, since the stronger being has to lower their power to match their counterpart (as part of the counterargument that Mystic Gohan has to drastically lower his power to match Goku's). This is false. It is only part and parcel of the Fusion Dance, for two beings to be completely even in every regard, and there is no canonical evidence that proves the fused being is based off the individual with the weaker power. As such, the hypothetical Gokhan is leagues above Gogeta in power.

Vegito > Gokhan (Hypothetical) > Gogeta > Gotenks

  • The Potara Fusion takes into account the Rivalry boost that the Fusion Dance does not have

The Potara Fusion between Goku and Vegeta is stated by King Kai to have a huge rival boost - something that the Fusion Dance does not have.

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As the scan shows, the Potara takes into account the rivalry boost that the Fusion Dance does not, and considering that Goku and Vegeta were rivals ever since their bloody bout during the Saiyan Saga, and Vegeta's main drive all along was to surpass Goku. This speaks to an intense rivalry that further amplifies the power of the Potara that the Fusion Dance does not have - which is evident since SSJ Gogeta would lose to base Super Buu (which I will explain later), but SSJ Vegito stomped Buuhan, the strongest incarnation of Super Buu.

TLDR: There is no canonical evidence that proves that the Fusion Dance has a rivalry boost.

However, the rivalry boost only serves to further widen the already massive existing gap between the Potara Fusion and the Fusion Dance. The Elder Kai mentioned that the Potara is already noticeably superior to the Fusion Dance even without the rivalry boost.

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  • post-HTC SSJ Gotenks is not far behind SSJ Gogeta in power

Gotenks is very important in this because he is formed through the fusion dance between Trunks and Goten.

Before any training in HTC, Goten and Trunks demonstrated a lot of potential, being able to transform to Super Saiyans without any formal training.

SSJ Goten could give SSJ Adult Gohan a run for his money before he could even learn how to fly.

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As seen by the scans, pre-HTC Goten was already pushing an FPSS Gohan to his back foot and gave him a very hard time in their sparring session - ending up cornering Gohan and forced him to fly.

SSJ Trunks managed to score a hit on a pre-powered up SSJ Vegeta during their training. Vegeta was visibly struggling to dodge Trunks' blows and was amazed by his son's power.

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Likewise, it dosen't look like Vegeta was having an easy time dodging pre-HTC Trunks' punches to me, when he expressed full confidence that his kid was a plaything to him before Trunks started attacking.

Goku placed a lot of faith in the boys and gave them the responsibility of defeating Majin Buu instead of himself, showing that the boys had a lot of potential. Gohan speculated that Goten could easily surpass him if he wasn't careful. If Gohan was superior to Goten by a huge margin, he would be effortlessly dodging all of Goten's punches - and clearly he had trouble with it. As such, pre-HTC Goten is hardly behind Gohan in power of the same transformation.

Vegeta >> pre-HTC Trunks, Goku > Gohan > pre-HTC Goten

After their training on HTC, Goten and Trunks improved massively. They unlocked the SSJ3 transformation skipping SSJ2 meaning that individually, they became significantly more powerful and closed a huge gap between them and Goku/Vegeta, to the point that the kids wouldn't get outright stomped by the adults of the same transformation (though they would still lose easily).

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Goku said that he and Vegeta would get stomped by base Super Buu in the manga, this means that SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta combined woud easily lose to Super Buu. Yet SSJ Gotenks post HTC managed to hold his own against a suppressed Super Buu - and I don't see SSJ3 Goku replicating that feat.

Vegeta > post-HTC Trunks, Gohan = Goten

Super Buu > post-HTC SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu > Majin Buu

Since the kids closed a considerable gap between them and Goku/Vegeta, it is safe Gotenks is not far behind Gogeta in power of the same transformation. Though SSJ Gogeta would still beat post-HTC SSJ Gotenks handily, he isn't stomping, and it speaks volume. Since Super Janemba got stomped by SSJ Gogeta, and SSJ Gotenks wouldn't, this places SSJ Gotenks fairly above Super Janemba in terms of power.

Super Buu > SSJ Gogeta > post-HTC SSJ Gotenks > Super Janemba > SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu > Majin Buu

That being said, SSJ3 Gotenks would stomp SSJ Gogeta, given the immense power difference between a SSJ and SSJ3. As such, as I said earlier, Super Gogeta would lose easily to Super Buu. According to the Daizenshuu battle power guide, SSJ3 = 8x SSJ, but realistically the gap is significantly larger than SSJ than just 8 times.

We have seen constant times throughout DBZ the immense power difference between a Super Saiyan and a Super Saiyan 2, and a Super Saiyan 2 and a Super Saiyan 3. For example, Perfect Cell, who is noticeably stronger than FPSS Goku, got destroyed by SSJ2 Gohan. Kid Buu, who fought evenly with SSJ3 Goku, outright stomped SSJ2 Vegeta in a fight. There is a significant power difference between SSJ3 and SSJ - meaning that SSJ3 Gotenks is way, way stronger than SSJ Gotenks by a substantial margin.

To reiterate, Super Buu can easily compete with SSJ3 Gotenks while SSJ Gogeta is only a fair bit stronger than SSJ Gotenks. How exactly is SSJ Gogeta ever on base Super Buu's level, never mind Vegito, who is infinitely superior to Buu?

SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Buu > SSJ2 Gogeta > SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ Gogeta > SSJ Gotenks > Super Janemba > SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu > Majin Buu

Hypothetically, SSJ3 Gogeta should be slightly below Mystic Gohan's level (because Gohan stomped Super Buu in a fight, and a hypothetical SSJ3 Gogeta isn't). At best, they are on par.

Mystic Gohan >= SSJ3 Gogeta > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Buu > SSJ2 Gogeta > SSJ2 Gotenks = SSJ Gogeta > SSJ Gotenks > Super Janemba > SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu > Majin Buu

  • Conclusion

TLDR:

- Vegito (PF) > Gokhan (FD) > Gogeta (FD) > Gotenks (FD)

- Potara Fusion has rival boost, Fusion Dance does not.

- The adults acknowledged the kids to have a lot of potential, and Goten was not far behind Gohan in power. Having the kids underwent HTC training that made them significantly more powerful, it does not take much to understand that SSJ Gotenks is not far behind SSJ Gogeta in power.

Adding everything up, and we have this:

SSJ Vegito >>> Base Vegito (anime only) >= Buuhan > Buutenks > Mystic Gohan >> Buuccolo = SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Buu >> SSJ Gogeta > post-HTC SSJ Gotenks > Super Janemba > SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu > Majin Buu

It is clear that SSJ Gogeta is sorely outclassed by the majority of characters in the fusion saga.

This goes to show why Super Gogeta is vastly overrated, and why the Potara Fusion is way stronger than the Fusion Dance in terms of power. Fusion Dance is never stated to have a rival boost, and Goten/Trunks are not far behind Goku/Vegeta following their training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, making SSJ Gotenks not far behind SSJ Gogeta. It means that Gogeta is never on Vegito's league in terms of power.

EDIT: Removed hypothetical characters such as SSJ3 Gogeta, SSJ2 Gotenks to conform with the updated rules of disallowing nonexistent characters. Also, Base Vegito standing has been modified and made sure that his appearance is only seen in filler, a non canonical section of the official DBZ episode of the Fusion Saga.

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