Everyone is saying that Hulk pummeled Ultron, but I think everyone is forgetting that they never fought on even ground. Hulk only got to ultron after he had fought the rest of the team and had been melted down
@theonewhoknows: I'm not kidding at all actually. In our exchange I simply pointed out several examples of you being intentionally uncivil to the person you were debating with in ways that were not relevant to your topic, and did not support your end in the debate, and only purpose was to demean Jay. I then reminded you that the intention of this site is Civil Discussion, not bickering and being argumentative simply for the sake of it. The fact that you only feel entitled to respond politely once to my lines of inquiry only proves my point further.
@theonewhoknows: you know, Jay is responding to all of your points in a logical manner and explaining his reasoning and different standpoints on them. It would best fit your purpose in this debate if you responded in kind rather than making fun of his spelling, trying to question his claims by comparing them to other statements he's made rather than actually refuting them, insulting him directly, and being condescending for no reason. These responses you have given do not at all support your opinion on the matter, and it would be best for you to remember that this site is meant to be based around civil debate and conbersation.
Matt's Defenders feats put him over the edge by a good margin imo. He had consistent feats of fighting well against the Black Sky before she began regaining memories, even tanking hits from her that were hurting luke. Aside from those he was solidly man handling Danny, and was fighting bother Bakudo and Mirikami at one point