nightwing91

@Man_of_Miracles: Ehh not really the being shot one I suppose, the Picciolo ones are after. Goku was still made to bleed by a simple rock blown by Piccolo, it cost him his arm for the rest of the fight. The gun ones you can argue,but the fact is Goku had poor durability at the 22nd world martial arts tournament.I mean if you believe three years of normal training really increased his durability by that much of an extent you can make a case.

And Hiei as a high rank D demon was after imaging without trying(just so you know Hiei ends up as a S rank) and Yusuke as Mazikou was said to be equal to Hiei's speed.

@Man_of_Miracles said:

@nightwing91 said:

I'm not sure why anyone's trying to make a case for Kid Goku's durability being able to withstand the Dragon of the Darkness Flame and Yusuke's full Mazikou transformation Spirit Gun with his demon energy. Guns proved capable of hurting Kid Goku, heck even regular rocks prove enough to make Kid Goku bleed during his fight with the Young King Piccolo(and leave him unable to use his arm for the rest of the fight)

He had trouble dodging typical Ki blasts in Dragon Ball, and the Dragon has a much bigger range as does the Demon Gun.

The worst that Kid Goku was ever hurt by a gun, was rubbing his head after taking a sniper bullet to the face from 100 yds. Not one gun made him bleed the entire series. He is completely bullet proof. Also he has no problems with dodging things by the second world tournament.

Btw I am not arguing that the Dragon or the Demon Gun couldn't hurt him. But we need to at least be accurate with our statements.

Are you forgetting General White shooting him in Muscle Tower(didn't make him bleed, but it knocked him out birefly) When Bulma shot him he also displayed pain. And you say he has no problem dodging things but that's not necessarily true think back he doesn't dodge any large radius ki attacks in all of Dragon Ball(he's saved from two during his fight with the young king Piccolo by Tien and later by Nimbus) He's also vulnerable when he jumps(as he shown in that same fight as he has no way at that time to control his movement a fact Picciolo exploited to hit him with a ki blast)

I'm completely accurate with my statments, Yusuke in non mazikou form showed equal speed when he ran from his entrance to Demon World to Raizen's domain, and Hiei is known for his speed he after images without trying to. Goku really doesn't have a single advantage over either fighter much less 2 v 1.

Congorilla all the way.

I'm not sure why anyone's trying to make a case for Kid Goku's durability being able to withstand the Dragon of the Darkness Flame and Yusuke's full Mazikou transformation Spirit Gun with his demon energy. Guns proved capable of hurting Kid Goku, heck even regular rocks prove enough to make Kid Goku bleed during his fight with the Young King Piccolo(and leave him unable to use his arm for the rest of the fight)

He had trouble dodging typical Ki blasts in Dragon Ball, and the Dragon has a much bigger range as does the Demon Gun.

@Man_of_Miracles said:

@nightwing91: Ok changed yet again. Lol

It's better but Goku's speed didn't radically grow from the 21st to the 22nd World Martial Arts tournament. If Hiei unleashes the Dragon goku is basically dead here, same if Yusuke unleashes his demon energy in a large spirit gun(like he did to kill Sensui it would kill Goku too) It's the fact that it's the two on one situation here, with Yusuke and Hiei both having high levels of speed that match Goku at this point and morals off) All it takes is firing off one of the two big attacks from them for the fight to end.

@Man_of_Miracles said:

@nightwing91: This is true

However I changed the version of Goku to avoid a stomp.

Then it's a stomp in team urameshi's favor, Goku isn't defending or able to dodge against the Dragon of the Darkness Flame at this point. He's in theory slower then Hiei(Hiei himself is capable of producing after images from the start of the series) And he's not blocking Yusuke's spirit gun fueled by his demon energy( much less if Yusuke transforms as he was stated to be around Hiei's speed)

@Man_of_Miracles said:

@nightwing91: lets say 30 yds.

I will put it on the OP

okay was just curious that was important given the fact goku is still much faster then the two(Yusuke was shown to have extremely low superspeed, as shown when he first arrived in Demon World) and although that was before his training with Raizen he shouldn't have anywhere near the speed to keep up with Goku at that point.(although if he did his spirit gun and Hiei's Dragon of the Darkness flame should be able to do quite a bit of damage)

Whats the starting distance here?

The two Gotham Central books are great(particularly Joker's and Madmen) Joker with a sniper rifle truly is a frightening concept.(Gotham Central is set after War Games)

@IrishX said:

@andrewtheking: @nightwing91: Great stuff guys and very true. Need more of this for sure.

Thank you, you'll get more people in here eventually. It's just the contest sub-fourm doesn't really draw a lot of traffic,but I defiantly appreciate the opportunity your presenting here. I hope you get tons of people interested in this, I'd love to see just what Nightcrawler means to others.