nightwing91

Mewtwo pretty handily. Resistant to fightining types already due to his typing and a much better stat spread being a legendary. Anime versions as well, Mewtwo was stout. Nothing shown in the movie pierced his barrier.

I have a couple of Random long boxes and short boxes as well.

Identity Crisis when Tim Drakes Father was killed with Batman comforting him. A very powerful image, and the whole point was further driven home in Teen Titans when he's trying to keep his father's death a secret and nearly beats the Electricutioner to death in the process.

And then there's the obvious death of Kal-L during Infinite Crisis, with Powergirl by his side.

Yes it's wrong to download them, you can try and justify it by saying it's out of print but that's not necessarily always the case. Marvel for example prints plenty of older stories in Omnibus format and other graphic novels, and DC while not utilizing that format as extensively has reprinted most early stories in the DC archive line and the Chronicle lines of graphic novels.So the argument you can no longer buy stories is invalid.And what actions would you take when the stories you download are eventually reprinted, you and the majority of other piraters aren't likely to race out to the comic shop/book store/Amazon/etc. on day 1 to buy something you've already previously read. It just hurts future possibilities for the industry.

So just because your actions aren't hurting anyone doesn't mean it's right. You wouldn't commit murder, rob a bank or etc you shouldn't break copyright laws. You can't pick and choose which laws your going to follow and which your going to break.

He actually used the during his time as Robin, specifically being first seen using them during Robin:Year One. He briefly split from Batman and joined the Vengeance Academy under Shrike(The first Shrike, not Boone) during which he was shown using an Escrima in a break in of Two-Face's hideout(which marked his first time using the weapons)

So we are led to believe he learned the basics from Shrike, and as the above scan says mastered it under Bruce.

Moments ago actually. But it's been building up for several weeks.

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@Man_of_Miracles: Ehh not really the being shot one I suppose, the Picciolo ones are after. Goku was still made to bleed by a simple rock blown by Piccolo, it cost him his arm for the rest of the fight. The gun ones you can argue,but the fact is Goku had poor durability at the 22nd world martial arts tournament.I mean if you believe three years of normal training really increased his durability by that much of an extent you can make a case.

And Hiei as a high rank D demon was after imaging without trying(just so you know Hiei ends up as a S rank) and Yusuke as Mazikou was said to be equal to Hiei's speed.

Well it almost doubled his power level so there is that. This would come with increases in speed power and durability.

Also I have no idea what that scene was about, it doesn't really make sense. I would certainly consider it PIS

Well that is why I put them against Goku, they both have impressive speed showing, and I think they will need that speed to win this fight.

If that's how you view it I suppose it's your opinion. And yes it raises his power level, is it enough to drastically raise his physical durability to where he's no longer hurt by bullets(unlikely given a rock hurts him so severely much later but I'll concede if you can post some good Dragon Ball era durability feats) And he's still handicapped by lack of flight, so it's likely he won't dodge either attack by the two(given no morals as the OP has they can just launch the dragon it'd clear 30 yards and consume Goku completely in almost no time)

Note I'm not even utilizing Hiei's psychic abilities bestowed from the Jagan Eye, or even his deadly skills with his sword.

1. The rocks are PIS, it doesn't make sense if someone is completely bullet proof for him to be hurt by rocks. Unless Piccolo charged them with his Ki in which case it is a different thing all together. Regular bullets didn't hurt him by the time he was finishing up with the Red Ribbon Army, much weaker characters then him (ex. the Indian chief at the bottom of Korin's tower) were completely bullet proof, and this is well before the second world martial arts tournament.

2. Did Hiei ever use the abilities of the Jagan Eye after the first few times? i do not think that he did, but I can't remember, I am almost positive he wasn't using it toward the end.

3. Battle axes have broken on Kid Goku, a sword will not effect him unless charged with Ki as Trunk's sword was during the Trunk's saga. Hiei has a normal, if very sharp sword.

Or maybe the bullets just didn't have the necessary power to cause the bullets to pierce his skin, Piccolo's lungs could be more powerful in that sense.And by the Indian Chief I'm assuming you mean Bora. Yes he was bulletproof, but Tao managed to kill him all the same with with the spear because there was more power behind it.

2. He utilized them once more in the second Yu Yu Hakusho movie, but he never utilized them in combat because most opponents he was battling were to strong willed and resistant to telepathy.

3.And yet Yajirobe(someone with very little Ki to speak of) managed to cut off Great Ape Vegeta's tail with his sword and pierce his body armor as well. A sword would and very well could effect him especially since Hiei at a much slower speed managed to slice a demon 16 times so fast Yusuke, Kuwabara and Kurama were unable to even follow.

1. Fair point. Still completely bullet proof is a durability feat in general.

2. Goku actually may be somewhat resistant to telepathy, If I remember General Blue's telepathy didn't work on him completely. Can't remember if he was attacked telepathically another time.

3. I remember him (Hiei) doing that, but it was early in the series, and relatively meaningless when you consider than in the first martial arts tournament, Roshi and Krillin were able to exchange 20 blows without anyone being able to see it, and this Goku is 2x that strong.

1. Yes but can you offer up any durability feats to prove that he can survive either of the big two's attacks at the 22nd World Martial Arts level?

2. General Blue didn't actually use telepathy to ensalve Goku he used a form of Telekensis to freeze Goku in place while he proceeded to beat him senseless and pull out a shotgun as he prepared to kill him. Goku didn't break free of this on his own either, he was only saved cause General Blue was frightened by a mouse breaking his concentration.

3. Yes early when he was a class D demon, he is class S for this fight( for comparison a Class S is stated by Koenma to be able to easily eliminate 500 Class A demons) Hiei's speed grows in conjunction with his demon rank. So Goku maybe 2x that strong, but Hiei is like several 1000 times stronger then his first fight with the Saint Beasts.

Vision due to variety of powers.

@Man_of_Miracles said:

@nightwing91 said:

@Man_of_Miracles said:

@nightwing91 said:

@Man_of_Miracles: Ehh not really the being shot one I suppose, the Picciolo ones are after. Goku was still made to bleed by a simple rock blown by Piccolo, it cost him his arm for the rest of the fight. The gun ones you can argue,but the fact is Goku had poor durability at the 22nd world martial arts tournament.I mean if you believe three years of normal training really increased his durability by that much of an extent you can make a case.

And Hiei as a high rank D demon was after imaging without trying(just so you know Hiei ends up as a S rank) and Yusuke as Mazikou was said to be equal to Hiei's speed.

Well it almost doubled his power level so there is that. This would come with increases in speed power and durability.

Also I have no idea what that scene was about, it doesn't really make sense. I would certainly consider it PIS

Well that is why I put them against Goku, they both have impressive speed showing, and I think they will need that speed to win this fight.

If that's how you view it I suppose it's your opinion. And yes it raises his power level, is it enough to drastically raise his physical durability to where he's no longer hurt by bullets(unlikely given a rock hurts him so severely much later but I'll concede if you can post some good Dragon Ball era durability feats) And he's still handicapped by lack of flight, so it's likely he won't dodge either attack by the two(given no morals as the OP has they can just launch the dragon it'd clear 30 yards and consume Goku completely in almost no time)

Note I'm not even utilizing Hiei's psychic abilities bestowed from the Jagan Eye, or even his deadly skills with his sword.

1. The rocks are PIS, it doesn't make sense if someone is completely bullet proof for him to be hurt by rocks. Unless Piccolo charged them with his Ki in which case it is a different thing all together. Regular bullets didn't hurt him by the time he was finishing up with the Red Ribbon Army, much weaker characters then him (ex. the Indian chief at the bottom of Korin's tower) were completely bullet proof, and this is well before the second world martial arts tournament.

2. Did Hiei ever use the abilities of the Jagan Eye after the first few times? i do not think that he did, but I can't remember, I am almost positive he wasn't using it toward the end.

3. Battle axes have broken on Kid Goku, a sword will not effect him unless charged with Ki as Trunk's sword was during the Trunk's saga. Hiei has a normal, if very sharp sword.

Or maybe the bullets just didn't have the necessary power to cause the bullets to pierce his skin, Piccolo's lungs could be more powerful in that sense.And by the Indian Chief I'm assuming you mean Bora. Yes he was bulletproof, but Tao managed to kill him all the same with with the spear because there was more power behind it.

2. He utilized them once more in the second Yu Yu Hakusho movie, but he never utilized them in combat because most opponents he was battling were to strong willed and resistant to telepathy.

3.And yet Yajirobe(someone with very little Ki to speak of) managed to cut off Great Ape Vegeta's tail with his sword and pierce his body armor as well. A sword would and very well could effect him especially since Hiei at a much slower speed managed to slice a demon 16 times so fast Yusuke, Kuwabara and Kurama were unable to even follow.

@Man_of_Miracles said:

@nightwing91 said:

@Man_of_Miracles: Ehh not really the being shot one I suppose, the Picciolo ones are after. Goku was still made to bleed by a simple rock blown by Piccolo, it cost him his arm for the rest of the fight. The gun ones you can argue,but the fact is Goku had poor durability at the 22nd world martial arts tournament.I mean if you believe three years of normal training really increased his durability by that much of an extent you can make a case.

And Hiei as a high rank D demon was after imaging without trying(just so you know Hiei ends up as a S rank) and Yusuke as Mazikou was said to be equal to Hiei's speed.

Well it almost doubled his power level so there is that. This would come with increases in speed power and durability.

Also I have no idea what that scene was about, it doesn't really make sense. I would certainly consider it PIS

Well that is why I put them against Goku, they both have impressive speed showing, and I think they will need that speed to win this fight.

If that's how you view it I suppose it's your opinion. And yes it raises his power level, is it enough to drastically raise his physical durability to where he's no longer hurt by bullets(unlikely given a rock hurts him so severely much later but I'll concede if you can post some good Dragon Ball era durability feats) And he's still handicapped by lack of flight, so it's likely he won't dodge either attack by the two(given no morals as the OP has they can just launch the dragon it'd clear 30 yards and consume Goku completely in almost no time)

Note I'm not even utilizing Hiei's psychic abilities bestowed from the Jagan Eye, or even his deadly skills with his sword.