NemesisReloaded

If a black hole absorbs things with a good amount of pull, like that of a planet or greater, from that distance then the black hole will have an equivalent size. Yes, it's also given to be a miniature black hole - which is nonsense, just like the black hole collapsing in on itself, but you either have to decide that its the "miniature" part thats true, or the "into it's merciless grasp" part, since they can't both be. As for the distance, the Earths gravity can be felt from 2 ly away, however minutely, but thats not what the comic says.

Whether or not its a galaxy level feat depends solely on where Thanos was caught up in it. I imagine if the debris from his ship still exists, he never made it to the singularity.

@shenron007: LOL Ok... If there are two things Dragonball could never deal with...

@elhermanossj5: That's true.

I heard some theory that Future Trunks is gonna come back and say Merged Zamasu is still alive. Much as I'd love that, I don't think its going to happen. I think we're stuck with the fusion weakening the immortality and Zeno's 'erase' being different from destroying, so it works

Recoome.

I personally would LOVE to see a good guy turn bad. DB is full of bad guys turning good, but the other way around? It hasn't happened, and I would love for it to Tien, fed up being forgotten and left out and witnessing a frivolous wish with the Dragonballs when ChiaoTsu is near mortally wounded. And he starts on a mission to kill them all and become the strongest on Earth, taking them out one by one when their guard is down or using Mafuba's, then seeing an epic showdown between him (with his ridiculous abilities as well as stolen techniques using the original Sharingan) and Yamcha and Master Roshi with unusual techniques and underdog fighting, and in the end, the not actually dead ChiaoTsu comes back and helps, tipping the balance. Have it a movie set in the 7 years after Cell and have that be the reason he exiles himself after wishing everyone back and wiping their memories of what he did.

If there's one thing Dragonball could never deal with, it's the law of diminishing returns.

Well, in the anime, Zuno says "The divine dragon will appear and grant you one wish, whatever it may be". It's kind of underwhelming. In fact its extremely close to what the document said about the Earth dragonballs in DB chapter 1 - "Shenlong, or the god of all dragons, appears and will answer one wish, no matter what it is". That didn't exactly turn out to be true. In the manga, Zuno says, "The dragon god will appear and grant you one single wish", which again, is underwhelming.

But it's Champa that gives us the emphasis on the "any wish" - in the manga, Champa says "They happen to be these mysterious balls capable of granting any wish you make" and in the anime Champa says of the Namekian dragonballs "Their wishing power is very limited" while he says of the Super Dragonballs "They can make any wish come true".

Thats why I say it's Champa, not Zuno who says it, because Champa emphasis the "any wish" and not the "one wish" like Zuno.

"Manamana do doo da doodoo... manamana do doodoo doo... manamana do doo da doodoo... da doodoo... da doodoo... da doo da doodoo charging my attack!"

~ Piccolo

No problem. Also, considering its a number 44 digits long, you were pretty damn close so don't beat yourself up lol I'd never have guessed it that close.

@apex_pretador:

Black Holes aren't physical objects in the way you are imagining. Black hole is defined as an celestial object with escape velocity greater than speed of light. Event horizon defnies Black Hole's size and "boundary".

Correct. The actual mass of a black hole effectively has zero size because it falls into the quantum realm and has an effectively infinite gravity at the singularity, so their 'surface' is considered to be their Schwarzchild Radius/Event Horizon (which are the same thing unless the black hole is rotating, in which case the black hole pulls on space-time even more and the event horizon reaches out past the Schwarzchild radius).

It is the same as gas giant planets. They don't have a solid surface, they are giant balls of gases. Their "surface" and boundary is defined as the point at which the pressure of gases is one atmosphere.

Also correct. Gas giants have no solid surface or even a definitive liquid surface as the atmosphere merges into liquid as the pressure increases. If they do have a solid region, it would be deep within and constitute a core, not a surface. So the surface is considered at a pressure it would exist on Earth.

A BH with event horizon 2 ly in radius will have mass of around ten milky ways

It would have a mass of 1.27403397341 x 10^43 kg, 6,405,399,564,656 solar masses or 9.15 Milky Way's.

A BH which has gravitational pull EQUAL TO earth at 2 ly in radius will have hundreds if not thousands of times the mass of milky way galaxy

A Black hole with a gravitational pull equal to Earths surface at 2 ly in radius will have a mass of 5.268799923 x 10^43kg, which is equivalent to 37.84 Milky Ways. This is because the larger a Black Hole gets, the lower the gravity is at the event horizon. The reason a Black Hole is still black at seemingly such low gravity is because the light that travels just inside the EH covers so much distance at a lower space-time distortion that it never escapes, whereas we've been making rockets that can escape that gravity for decades.

A black hole that has a gravitational pull equal to Earth at 2 ly from the singularity would have a gravitational pull equal to the surface gravity of the Sun 9.47% of a Lightyear closer. In terms of super powered beings, that's not a hell of a lot.

Why does this even matter? A Blackhole can suck in things outside of its actual self, else it wouldn't make much sense anyway, so you still have no evidence as to the size of the Blackhole. @kaiocool broke it down pretty well and I agree with him on this.

Is anyone a physics expert on CV? Maybe they can help. @nemesisreloaded?

The reality is that the gravitation effects of a black hole would not be instant (going by the scans of post 81) but would affect ever farther things at a rate of the speed of light, and obviously a black hole cannot collapse in on itself since its already a completely collapsed object.

Also, singularities are not actually infinite, they're just treated as such because they go beyond a point that is understood, so black hole singularity feats are not Universal feats otherwise all black holes would have the same gravity and they don't. And as I demonstrated with the Sun gravity point within the 1G at 2Ly level, just going into the event horizon of a black hole does not mean you can never exit again if the black hole is large enough. Ironically, its the smaller black holes that have the greatest gravity at the event horizon.

@firestorm808:

I think these are worth making a new thread that I can link into the OP of this thread as calculated energy involved. I've spoken before with Zoldycklogic about the similarities in ki blast destruction and atomic blast destruction so I personally think its worth doing. So would you be willing to start an energy based thread to put these in?