nekoneko

@tron_bonne: I understand your perspective, but I mean for example, instead of "Jean can PSIONICALLY move objects.", it's "Jean can PSYCHICALLY move objects." People use psionic or psychic in the same cases

@tron_bonne: I'm confused because sometimes people say psychic and psionic are the same, sometimes psychic is a sudivision of psionic or vice versa, and sometimes they're completely different... lol,can't people just give like a general term?

@tron_bonne said:

@nekoneko said:

@tron_bonne: So technically Marvel Girl sould be consider both? Psionic and Psychic? Because she has TP and TK?

TP doesn't necessarily mean you're a Psychic. All it means is that you are able to read thoughts or project your thoughts to another physical mind.

So what is exactly to be a psychic?

I guess the best word to substitute Psychic is Seer. Nostradamus was a seer. He visualized the attack of 9/11/2001 back in the year of 1555.

@tron_bonne: So technically Marvel Girl sould be consider both? Psionic and Psychic? Because she has TP and TK?

@xerox_kitty: So characters like Candra in marvel wouldn't ve considered psychic?

What is the difference between these terms?

@MagneticShockwavesaid:

@nekoneko: @LordOfAllHumans: @Jezer: Sounds like you guys are confusing telekinesis, matter manipulation, and reality warping as three different powers. All of them are psionic so that means to control with thought. Alpha is a high tier psionic being. He can use thought to PSIONICALLY control energy/matter. He can use his psionic powers to control time, space, energy, matter at a much higher rate and reach than Proteus. Proteus can not warp Mars from Earth. Alpha can warp Mars while he's in the center of a Galaxy during a different time line. The reason why Alpha is not on Earth is because he is higher evolutionary and continues to evolve which Proteus HAS limits. Realistically, Aphla the Ultimate Mutant is similar to HP Doomsday with the Cosmic Stranger's powers. There is no way in hell, Proteus is above Stranger or anywhere near a well feed Galactus. If you guys say that Proteus can beat Alpha, that's like saying he can beat Karvoc, a Galactus Engine, Abraxus, IGV, The Phoenix Force Unleashed, or Chaos King. And it's obvious that he can not.

I'm not confused, it's just that telekinesis can be used as matter manipulation, and apprently there's no difference between them when telekinesis is used in the same way as matter manipulation. Technically every powers that is mind-based should be considered psionic, making the difference between controlling psionically matter (matter manipulation), and controlling matter psychically (telekinesis), harder to explain and understand.

You said alpha via his psionic powers can control time, space, energy and matter, while he had just controlled energy and matter in the comics he appears (sorry if I'm wrong); he only has high level telepathy and telekinesis. Proteus on the other hand, is just limited by his imagination. I don't doubt alpha's more powerful than proteus, but proteus, due to his powers, has more versatility allowing him to take the upper hand sometimes.

@LordOfAllHumans: aaaa ok sorry, and sersi's a good example, she's very powerful

@Jezer said:

@nekoneko said:

@Jezer: He used telekinesis on a molecular level, it's moreless like matter manipulation. I recall phoenix doing the same on rachel in a What If...

Not buying the viability of this concept.

What is the difference between this and matter manipulation?

Nothing really important, is just that telekinesis on a molecular level is like duplicating matter manipulation effects, though differences are not well defined. I have always seen it like matter and energy manipulation are just divisions of telekinesis...

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@nekoneko said:

@Jezer: He used telekinesis on a molecular level, it's moreless like matter manipulation. I recall phoenix doing the same on rachel in a What If...

Same way Sersi can change people into pigs and they are for all intents and purposes pigs. Coupled with telepathy you can just erase or re-write the mind so that they are an infant.

I know but does Sersi does it by telekinesis? I've always thought she was a high level matter manipulator...