@the_stegman said:
Maybe for nature disasters, but him being a vigilante, stopping crime probably won't hold up in court, and obviously, he can't interfere with wars.
Who's going to stop him from getting involved?
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What is happening here is a textbook example of your bias getting in the way. You have preconceived notions about Iron Man's power levels and since the feats I have provided completely go against your ideas about him and his power levels, you are blindly ignoring anything that doesn't fit your distorted view about Tony's power levels. Just because you don't like Iron Man as a city buster that all of a sudden makes it untrue? All of the feats that I've shown which prove he's in that range are irrelevant? Just because it's "bad writing" since you don't like it? I'm sorry, should I show more feats that are more in
your personal idealower end of his power level? Maybe show him failing to take down Captain America or Spider-Man? Is that more appropriate?
Hahahaha, it's not "preconceived notions" I just know how inconsistent Iron Man is. One minute he's getting beat by Mallen but next minute he's busting mountains and drawing blood from The Sentry.
I mean you aren't even saying, "I don't believe his striking poweris city level" anymore. You are literally just saying, "he's not city busting level. Period." So does that mean not even his repulsors are city busting either? Please don't make me laugh.
If you can show me scans of his repulsors busting a city then i'll admit that his repulsors are city level, I don't know why you brought repulsors up in the first place though to be honest, since he's not allowed to use them here.
He flew into them... He used his flight and strength to accomplish those feats... Those are striking power feats, you do know that, right? Sure, he didn't do it while grounded and casually with his fists, but flight isn't limited here.
No they aren't striking feats, they're blitzing feats. Ok bear with me here:
What would cause more damage to you?
A: Me punching you from a standstill posistion
B: Me flying into you at Mach 1
It actually doesn't prove anything. If I just post a picture of a nuclear crater that's only like 100 yards deep and don't say anything after posting it, that doesn't automatically prove whatever you say wrong.
You said the following:
but the fact that I have presented evidence of Iron Man island busting and destroying a mountain bigger than the Himalayas
Even though you haven't provided a single shred of evidence that the mountain in question was bigger than the Himalayas.
Anyway, I claimed that the mountain was taller than Mount Everest. Which it is. Something taller than Mt. Everest and as wide as Manhattan could fit several mountains in it.
You'd have to get some pretty small mountains to fit inside Manhattan, considering it's only 13 miles.
This is such a ridiculous fallacy. That's like me saying, "I don't believe Starkiller can tank a megaton nuke, so show me him doing it. Oh, he never has specifically tanked a nuclear detonation? Then that automatically means he can't by default."
Not really, I'm simply asking you to provide scans of Iron Man busting a city. As you yourself said, busting a mountain and a city are two very different things.
1. Let's say I claimed Red Hulk could punch with above city busting force. If I used the scans where he caused a 9.0 Earthquake (which is the equivalent amount of force as 99 million tons of TNT or 25,000 nuclear bombs) from his punches, would you still say, 2. "herp Red Hulk can't bust cities with his punches because you can't show me a scan of him actually busting a city even though that feat basically proves he can do that easily"? 3. I doubt you'd be so irrational since your preconceived notions about Red Hulk would put Ross at a higher level of power, but too bad for Iron Man that you personally rank his power below She-Hulk, therefore, anything that I post near city busting level is irrelevant because you said so.
1. Well firstly I'd ask for proof that Red Hulk can even punch with that destructive capability, as I'm sure you're aware we go by feats here on Comic Vine.
2. Your butthurt is showing.
3. No i don't place him below She-Hulk, who told you that? I'm just aware of how incredibly inconsistent Iron Man is.
How convenient. So when you aren't nitpicking, ignoring, or underselling all of Iron Man's feats it just becomes bad writing. Good to know xD. And why? Who knows.
So you're saying Iron Man harming The Sentry isn't bad writing?
Your hypocrisy is showing. Maybe because you literally did the same thing to me?? "Wow, Iron Man can hurt Hulk and Sentry so you must think he's MORE powerful than them!! HAHAHA! You are an Iron Man fanboy!" Even though I never made that connection. Did you not basically just say this? Once again, it was you putting words in my mouth.
Me calling you out for assuming that Iron Man harming The Sentry is legitimate is not me putting words in your mouth, it's me calling you a fanboy.
Because EU Sidious should be MUCH more powerful than Starkiller, yet Starkiller managed to hurt him. With your horrible logic, that shouldn't be able to happen simply since there is a gap in their power (this is your logic, not mine). This is literally what you said after I claimed Iron Man could hurt high tier characters:
Wollfmyth already told you this.
"Because that video game is part of the EU continuity, where Sidious is "FTL and planet busting". Though he isn't a true planet buster until Dark Empire, which is years after the Force Unleashed where Sidious underwent a massive power-growth. But it's all under the same banner as all the EU novels and comics that portray Sidious; there's simply different incarnations that vary in power based on the chronology of their apperance(as time goes by, Sidious became more powerful: DE Sidious > RotJ Sidious > ANH Sidious > TFU Sidious > RotS Sidious > TPM Sidious)."
"Right so Iron Man has harmed characters much more powerful than himself? And you think those scans are legitimate?"
EU Sidious is "much more powerful" than Starkiller, right? So now I ask, when Starkiller ragdolled Sidious "you think those scans are legitimate?"
Iron Man harming the likes of Hulk & Sentry aren't legitimate since both characters have feats that humiliate Iron Man
Yes i do think those scans are legitimate, since Darth Sidious was nowhere near as powerful as he was in Dark Empire.
Going back to this lame and lazy cop out? What about you admitting that Thor could one-shot Starkiller's shields? Is that not ABC logic?
That's not even ABC logic, that's just common sense. Considering (to my knowledge) no-one in the Star Wars verse has planetary durability.
Thor's striking power > 1000 Tsar Bomba's >>>>> Starkiller's force-fields.
^ Did you or did you not agree that this ABC logic applies? You hypocrite.
That's not even ABC logic, that's just common sense. Considering (to my knowledge) no-one in the Star Wars verse has planetary durability.
Another piece of evidence (from the first scan) is the fact that the narrator claims that lives would be lost "miles away" from the blast. That's a pretty good indicator of the power of the nuke (I don't think kiloton nukes could kill people miles away). I don't know the exact yield, but these scans should help give us an idea of the power:
Even in the kiloton range, hundreds of thousands of deaths would occure for "miles around".
The funny thing is that I've got more. Now, is this the part where you ignore and undersell everything I posted here or are you going to post scans of Tony failing to knock out street levelers?
None of the above, i'm going to ask you to give me the comics from where you got those scans from.
Not really. Thor isn't the point. Keep deflecting. The point is that you admit ABC logic works when it suits you, but then shrug it off when I use it. Lmao.
If Thor isn't the point then why bring him up?
1. Dude, what is wrong with you? Do you have selective memory? I literally showed you scans of him flying into and busting a city sized mountain and a man-made island. 2. Why is it so hilarious that his striking power is at that level? Do you know something that I don't? 3. You have no basis for your claims except your misinformed and biased preconceived notions about Iron Man.
Blitzing =/= striking. I mean Jesus dude, how much more simpler do you want me to put it?
I'm not saying that it isn't at those levels, but the inconsistency of his striking is too much to just ignore.
"Biased and preconceived notions about Iron Man" Is that coming from the biggest Iron Man fanboy on the site? Shall i link all the times you've debated for Iron Man in horrible mismatches in which any normal person would admit that Iron Man would get curbstomped?
No, it wouldn't be 1/4 mountain busting because they mustered up so much force/power that the SHOCKWAVES ALONE knocked over the mountain. That'd be FAR above a mountain busting attack. Again, you wouldn't call the Tsar Bomba a glass busting attack since it destroyed glass hundreds of miles away from the shockwave, would you? Also, why is it so hilarious that Iron Man was an equal participant in this feat? The narrator didn't make any claim about the ground rumbling or the landscape changing until Tony joined the fray. That's a fact.
Right...so now Iron Man is "FAR above mounting busting attacks"....gotcha.
So now let's go over how deep the crater on the Tsar Bomba was and see if it compares to the average height of a mountain. The funny thing is we aren't even taking into consideration the difference between dirt and mountain rock. There is clearly a durability/denseness gap there, but either way you're still wrong.
Okay.
If we use my calculations which are wrong (which i stated right after i posted the first post pertaining to the force he shrugged off like nothing) then Starkiller shrugged off 260 megatons of TNT.
260 divided by 15 is 17.3
17.3 x 250 feet = 4333ft.
In other words, Starkiller shrugged off enough force to create a crater the same size as this mountain:
That's Snowdon, which happens to be only 35 miles from where I live. Which is pretty cool to be honest.
But that difference alone proves that your asteroid example is useless. Completely different. A 2.5 MT nuclear detonation wouldn't make a crater as deep as an asteroid. Hell, by your admission, a freaking FIFTEEN Megaton nuke only had a depth of 250 feet xD
Now, now don't shoot the messenger, all i did was quote the claim from the website. If you've got an issue with it take it up with them. :)
1. Clever. I'm not stretching or reaching at all. Did I say that I thought the creators were unreliable? Nope. There is context which you clearly don't really know much about. If Stan Lee said, decades ago, Thor is stronger than Hulk because he's a god, would you still use that statement as proof of Thor's superiority years and years later? Was Stan Lee not referring to different versions of characters? Did Hulk not get amped since then? Have things not changed? I wouldn't use Stan Lee's statement to prove Jane Foster Thor is stronger than Amadeus Cho Hulk. It just doesn't make sense. 2 Lucas was referring to the MOVIE versions when he made that statement who were weaker than the planet busting Sidious.
1. Once again bringing up characters that have nothing to do with the debate.
2. Wollfmyth already addressed this to you.
1. Starkiller literally won't be able to do a single thing to Iron Man. I like the no-limits fallacy you're wipping out right there lol. He's not force sensitive so he gets stomped, right? I guess that'd apply to Thor or Hulk too.
1. Starkiller has can't do anything to Iron Man? Right...Beside using Telekinesis, Telepathy, Force Lightning, Force Repulse, Force Push, Overload, or just simply cutting him in half. You still haven't proved that Iron Man even gets passed Starkiller's force Barriers. Ooh there's another one, Starkiller implodes Tony's internal organs.
2. There you go again, involving characters that aren't a part of the debate...
Not sure if you missed the memo, but Iron Man has resisted an internal TK attack from Jean Grey. He has shrugged off gravitational anomalies from a character with the same powers as Graviton. If that's not all good enough, he's also got gravitational and magnetic grip systems that can keep him grounded. Starkiller would die of old age before he kills Stark. His chances especially go down as soon as he uses force lightning:
How many times has Iron Man resisted internal TK? Actually this isn't a dig or anything but what's stopping Starkiller from just twisting Iron Man's headpiece 180 degrees and snapping Tony's neck?
I don't know why you'd bring up gravitational anomalies...but okay?
How many times has lightning amped Iron Man?
Such a desperate argument lmao. If Starkiller is as powerful as you claim, it won't take Iron Man long at all to realize he needs to pack a stronger punch. Hilariously enough, even with morals, he still tends to use sonic attacks. Starkiller got any countermeasures for those?
You got any proof that Sonics will work on Starkiller?
Lol you must really not know anything about Iron Man if you think he can't even harm high tiered characters.
Oh i know he can hurt high tiered characters, just not consistently.
First of all, even with morals on he tends to blitz at hypersonic speeds. I doubt Starkiller can react to that fast enough to put up his force-field. Second of all, how often does he even use his force-field? I doubt he uses it as much as you are implying. Thirdly, Starkiller can't do anything to Iron Man. This is a waiting game that Starkiller won't win. I find it so funny that you actually think Starkiller will just point his hand at Tony, clench his fist, and then Tony will die. Hahahaha.
What characters has Iron Man blitzed? Whilst morals on of course*
I've shown you Starkiller reacting to multiple TIE Fighters within moments of each-other. He also reacted in time to utilize his Tutaminis against Sidious's Force lightning.
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