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Not sure why Tim just gives into Cullen's demands when the boy has no training to speak of and rightfully shouldn't be out in the field.

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Might very well be the best live action comic book show out right now.

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@dernman You know what? That's fair though and you're right. Green Lantern as a franchise branched out in a way that the Flash didn't, really making it about more than just one GL. During the Kyle Rayner era, when the corps was destroyed, you could kind of do away with that and really just have one main, but the Flash for the most part has always been a solo act, even with the family. Just annoys me as out of all the guys that took over for their mentors/predecessors, Wally unarguably did the best in my opinion, really honoring his uncle's legacy, while also making the title his own. So casting him aside just blew me away.

Didn't like the concept of Grayson at first, but I think they made it work which definitely convinces me that as a kind of end-goal for the character it could also work, in contrast to Batman Beyond or Dark Knight Returns for Bruce.

I mean, a person can be a mentor and still be young. Like the Batgirl issue where Spoiler and Harper appeared. I kind of got a mentor vibe from it, with Babs doing her own thing, working with the other two, but they kind of really looked up to her and what she represented. This is natural since she has a massive amount of experience over them. Take that alone and I think you could turn it into a kind of Geoff Johns TT thing, where older members were still around and working with the younger ones, but still clearly older and more experienced. For her as a mentor Pre-Flashpoint, I thought it was working with Cassandra, until they ruined the character. Then there was that other girl...Misfit(?) who I just never even understood the purpose of and thought was badly written all around. Didn't read Steph's Batgirl series, so I don't know if Babs played a role there. For now I think it'd depend on what they end up writing her as. I agree that the way the character is currently written certainly doesn't lend itself to the mentor idea, not like Oracle did anyways or like Nightwing and Robin Pre-Flashpoint. There's a level of...maturity I want to say that's lacking. And this might not go away because a lot of people, from what I can tell, have been receptive to the new take on Barbara.

Yeah they might have to call Batman Beyond a loss and let it go for a while. Especially if Tim Drake is still there, but I really don't understand how he could be because the sales for his series have been so terrible! It should be the most obvious thing in the world that him as Batman Beyond doesn't work, unless as you said they were going to just change the setup and have a regular future version of Tim becoming Batman Beyond when Bruce/Dick retired. Outright killing and replacing Terry was a doomed idea from the jump.

I'm somewhat biased because I fully admit the Teen Titans are my favorite DC team, but I think they can still make it work. The cast of characters is available to them. Heck you had a similar idea to it working great in the Young Justice show. They just need to get back to basics with this franchise. I don't know what they had in mind for the New 52 but it was terrible. Bart Allen has never been that unlikeable as a character before. Didn't really care too much how they had Robin, Superboy, or Wonder Girl either for that matter. As the kind of "class clown" of the group, I think Beast Boy should always be written younger. Take the Teen Titan's show even. Ages weren't a priority and were never really mentioned, but I always felt that Beast Boy was written as being the youngest member of that group. Young Justice again gave you something similar where he was younger, as part of the new recruits of the team, but then worked alongside veterans for a decent dynamic. With both books coming back, this would be the perfect time to get Wally West in there too.

Exactly. Tim Drake at this point really shouldn't be working with Batman. That's odd and they haven't done a thing to set him up for that role since the reboot. So throwing him there now would be some random, hail mary type play. Just saying, if we're talking about a "Rebirth" back to what worked and people loved, his own series is the perfect place. I could live with Damian on the Teen Titans, but never as a leader (At least not for many years). That seems like a situation that would quickly fall to hyping up how awesome he is in place of solid teamwork and characterization for everyone else.

Wait what? That's really what they're doing with the Earth 2 heroes? Geez DC smh. Like with Marvel's Ultimate line, I think that a completely alternate universe with it's own heroes, altered versions or completely different ones, has potential in good hands. Heck, I thought that Ultimate Spider-Man was great for most of its run and we still had 616 Peter doing his thing as well. There's a way to make it work, and I think that having the heroes on seperate Earth's gives them more room to breathe so to speak, so you don't have to worry about them running into each other or too many events having to interfere with different series. Don't get me wrong, JSA Pre-Flashpoint worked just fine, but I thought the idea for the New 52 with them starting out, younger, less experienced, on a new planet where they were the ones taking over after the old heroes died was really cool.

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Well, Geoff John's Green Lantern run is one of the best that the franchise has ever had, if not THE best. What he said that the franchise was to him is exactly what his run was: epic, amazing, spanning the stars. Taking the past elements that had fallen to the wayside and bringing them back/updating them for the present. John's has always struck me as a guy that loves the Silver Age of Comics, but at the same time is willing to accept the modern age to various extents, in some ways more than others. He's right when he says that Kyle Rayner was still a main figure in his GL run, though he understandably didn't have the same importance he'd had in the previous years when he was the only active GL, but when it comes to Flash I think he did the exact opposite. He basically pushed Wally West into the background and then went so far as to place less value on the stuff Wally had done over the years and make Barry Allen even more important. This didn't happen between Kyle Rayner and Hal Jordan. Notably, everyone in the Corps felt that Kyle was the best thing around for a while in fact, with him being one of the few guys the Guardians gave the time of day to.

So you know, i'm definitely happy to see him at the helm of this, because he's a talented guy that I think is able to remember a lot of elements of different franchises that really are a core part of them. Furthermore, this really seems like an attempt to me to take what's worked in the New 52 and keep it, while getting rid of whatever hasn't, which I fully approved of. DC tried their grand experiment and had their fun, but let's get things back to a more basic approach with Rebirth. Hopefully they just don't go overboard.

In terms of some of the series they've announced:

Nightwing- Looks like Dick will finally be returning to the costume, which i'm ok with as I think his time with Spyral has pretty much run its course. With the whole return to what worked thing of rebirth I then hope that they take a page from previous eras and figure out a way to write him as Nightwing that actually works, because prior to Grayson his run was fairly bland. Not terrible by any means, but it mostly revolved around Dick dealing with stuff like the Court of Owls or Death of the Family, Batman events, while anything seperate he tried to do was given a secondary role. They need a real direction for the character to go. I've seen some people say that being Nightwing doesn't make sense because Dick was in the role for so long, but I disagree. Batman, Superman, and a number of other heroes have been in their roles forever and are still capable of being a part of quality stories. It's less about the identity and more about the writing and direction the character is being taken in. I think that unless you're going to have the character his 50 years old in the comics that he could be Nightwing forever without any real problem. So i'm fine with this return, and somewhat optimistic, with the hope that they've learned from the previous mistakes.

Red Hood and the Outlaws- It really boggles my mind that DC is trying so hard to keep a series going that is continually failing. Not really sure what else to say besides this. The series started off with controversy and while it improved to some extent, it eventually took a sharp dip in sales, which led to it being retooled into Red Hood/Arsenal, which has also been failing. Like these characters do not work together in the long run lol why keep trying? At the very least, I hope to God that Scott Lobdell is taken off of this book. If there's a new writer I could understand to some extent keeping it (But even then not that much), as he/she could breathe new life into it with a different direction. If Lobdell's still on it however i'll avoid it like the plague and hope that DC wises up and finally cancels it for good when the sales plummet again. I also hope that, with the "Outlaws" title returning, that Starfire isn't on the team again. No problem with her, just think she'd be better placed on the Teen Titans or Titans book they've also got scheduled.

Batgirl and the Birds of Prey- Expected this more than anything else. Barbara Gordon, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Harper Row, there are too many female characters running around in Gotham right now to not put them on a team book, especially when three of them don't have their own solo's either. I didn't think Barbara would be on the team, but since they're keeping her solo series I don't really mind that much. It'll be interesting to see what lineup they actually go with overall, as you still have others like Black Canary running around that could fill the roster out. Just in regards to Harper, Steph, and Cass though, with all of them really just starting out as heroes, this could be a good opportunity to places Babs in a kind of mentor role again. They never really managed to make it work that well Pre-Flashpoint, so this would be a chance to redeem themselves.

Batman Beyond- Get Tim Drake out of this book and put Terry McGinnis back in it. Tim being Batman Beyond made zero sense and the sales reflected that. Taking a fan favorite character, killing him, and replacing him with an alternate/future version of Tim Drake? That idea was doomed to fail. Said it before and i'll say it again: Batman Beyond without Terry is like Jurassic Park without dinosaurs. Nobody wants to see that crap.

Titans/Teen Titans- Intersting that they specifically have two teams lined up. Seems like an obvious setup to have one with older heroes and one with the younger sidekicks. Might even be a return to classic lineups with the older New Teen Titans forming their own team, while you have people like Tim Drake and Artemis on the other one. This could work and is something I can vibe with, especially if Dick is on the older team. Not having him be a part of any team was one of the biggest mistakes made at the start of the New 52. He's not Batman. He doesn't specifically reside in Gotham City and only leave when there's a crisis. He's an open, friendly person that genuinely enjoys being around other people and interacting with them. And the relationships the New Teen Titans team had previously was one of the best family dynamics comic books have ever seen. And the New 52 Teen Titans have been trash anyways, so this is a chance to fix them as well.

One thing i'm disappointed about is that Damian's series apparently isn't returning, which is a shame as I think it's been really, really good. Rumors are floating around that he'll be leading the Teen Titans, which I have to be honest sounds like a terrible idea. Furthermore, that begs the question of where Tim Drake's going to be. If we're taking away one Bat-Son's solo why not give a different Son one? Never made any sense to me that Tim Drake of all people wasn't given his own series at the start of the New 52. Kid held his own solo for years, growing from Robin to Red Robin during the course of it, led different incarnations of the Teen Titans at the same time, and he doesn't get his own series while Barbara Gordon and Jason Todd (Red Hood and the Outlaws/Arsenal wasn't a solo per se, but Jason received a ton of focus and top billing) do? Again, made no sense.

Earth 2- This series started off decently in my opinion. I thought they were really going a long way to make it different from the main universe, killing off those versions of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, but I also thought it provided a decent setup for other heroes. Flash and Green Lantern for example had their typical powers, but from different sources. And with Earth Two, the Golden Age Earth, you had so many characters you could pull from to really differentiate it from the main earth, making it more interesting and giving you even more people to work with, without one earth affecting the other. But DC let it fall apart. This basically fell into the same trend as Marvel's Ultimate line of comics, killing people off left and right. I still don't want a Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman in this earth, because I don't think they're needed, but I hope DC manages to get this off the ground, because I actually enjoy alternate universe stories in general.

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At this point I think this series, and the idea of a series like it, has run its course and needs to end.

Dick, looks like Wolverine, in the cover.

He really does, especially with the fist raise.

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I want to read this so badly.

Been reading the issues at my local comic shop and in my opinion it's one of the best origins/elseworld's the character has ever had.

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Still have no idea why Marvel threw Johnny and Medusa together.

Well he'd already dated one sister so why not go for the set?

In all seriousness I don't get it either and it seems really out of place, but then so do a lot of decisions that Marvel makes.

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Is the guy blowing up superboy? Idk

FIX SUPERBOY

Based on the information for the final cover i'd guess it's the villain this "Super League" is going to be facing.

IDK i'm somewhat sick of events and have been for a long time, but Post Flashpoint Superman meeting his counterpart is a good draw for me to check this out.

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First, let me say that I think that cover is excellent.

Then, despite the overall silliness of not having Alfred re-attach his hand I am enjoying his attempt to thwart the inevitable fact that Bruce is going to become Batman again. You can really feel the desperation here as he tries to stop Bruce, a person who he has cared for his (Bruce's) entire life.

"Don't...Please, don't. I beg you my son."

Perhaps a little formal (Then again Alfred does speak in a formal manner) but good nonetheless.