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If the Q aren't omniscient, then they could be in real trouble. I don't know as much about the Q, but I know a lot about the Time Lords. When the Q went to war, supernovae were a side effect, yeah? Well, each and every single TARDIS, even the Doctor's is powered by a supernova constantly on the cusp of collapsing into a Black Hole. The Doctor's TARDIS was obsolete when his mentor was a child, a Type 40 when before the Time War, they'd got up to Type 102. And going by the Doctor's testimony, the Time Lords actually invented Black Holes. Among other things, the Doctor's TARDIS can sit comfortably in a supernova and burn up stars for extra power, ignore the effects of gravity, tow a planet across the universe in a matter of moments without seriously damaging it.

Of their ancient weapons, the Hand of Omega was a stellar manipulator the size of a coffin that could easily blow up stars and it was relatively minor. And when I say ancient, I mean ancient. Their planet, Gallifrey, was familiar to one of the Racnoss, a nigh extinct species who hadn't seen the figurative light of day since the planet Earth formed around her ship. And the early Time Lords were among those who rendered the Racnoss nigh extinct in the first place. The Expanded Universe suggests that they were the very first sentient species in the universe, and multiple sources, both TV and Expanded Universe, hold that they banished magic from the universe.

Their most powerful weapon at the end of the Time War was the Moment, which was a) known as 'the galaxy-eater' for good reason, b) so advanced that its operating system became sentient, developed a conscience, and seemed to exist outside of time (certainly, it seemed to get a little confused about past and future), c) powerful enough that it could open up time windows onto multiple time periods, through events that were supposed to be 'Time-Locked', easily read minds and preserve its user from the effects of its galactic scale blast (as a punishment). On a more personal level, there was the De-Mat Gun, which quite literally erased the target from time and space, making it so they had never existed. Among their favoured tactics was casually sticking entire planets into time loops. Freezing individuals in an instant of time is a parlour trick to them.

Speaking of the Time War, between them and the Daleks, it was quite literally tearing the universe apart, 'every moment in time, burning', and created Eldritch Abominations as a mere side-effect. It was so vicious that the Eternals, an ascended race similar to the Q, fled the universe. The Doctor makes references to Davros, the creator and sometime leader of the Daleks, apparently being killed in the first days of the Time War, when his command ship 'flew into the jaws of the Nightmare Child'. Since Davros' next base, the Crucible, would have made the Death Star feel inadequate, its safe to say that it probably wasn't small, and neither was the Nightmare Child. During the Time War, another ascended race not unlike the Q got involved on the side of the Daleks after destroying an entire spiral arm of a galaxy, as genocide was a new and interesting sensation to them. The Time Lords felt comfortable sending only two agents, the Doctor and the Master, to deal with them, and the Doctor did.

Above all, the final plan of the High Council was to initiate a time paradox so vast and savage that it would tear reality apart and allow the Time Lords to ascend to a higher plane of existence - which is why the Doctor ended the Time War by force (or so he believed. As it turned out, not so much).

So, unless the Q get the drop on the Time Lords, I think they're kind of screwed.

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Hmm. Difficult question. Baseline, Kara's stronger, faster and more durable than Carol by a long way.

However.

Baseline Carol has shown the ability to tank blows from the likes of a bloodlusted Wonder Man, who is in turn a match for Thor and the Hulk, who are in turn a match for Superman, and Thanos, who's overpowered all three in the past, as well as being able to hurt the latter (she actually put him down for the count at the start of Civil War II, but only after he'd been caught by the surprise in the crossfire of some of the real heavy hitters and he'd killed Rhodey, making her snap into a killing rage). So she's more than tough enough to play ball with people in Kara's tier, to take their hits and hand out out similar.

Further, Kara's smart and resourceful, especially once she gets the rage out of her system. But she is by no means a trained or experienced fighter with or without her powers. Carol is both. However, in the long term, Kara will outlast or overpower her.

The key here is Carol's ability to absorb energy. She has frequently absorbed absurd levels of power with absolutely no warning - hell, she's even done it while she was drunk! That power up also gives her back her Binary power set, which put her well into Herald Class territory and well beyond Kara's ability to handle. And if there's one thing about the New 52 incarnation of Kara, it's that she has a tendency/knack for unleashing energy in ways that Superman only once demonstrates with his 'Solar Flare' - and unlike that, she shows that she's got a great deal of control over it, once using it to illuminate her path deep underwater, and once being forced into a mini Solar Flare by the Black Banshee. So my thinking is that when she discovers that her opponent can match her punch for punch, she'll be tempted to up the game with a major league blast of heat vision or even a Solar Flare of some kind. That would power up Carol and put Kara in trouble.

So, as is, I'd give it to Carol 6/10 - or rather, I'd give it to Carol once, then Kara would presumably wise up and stick to the physicals.

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@birdman400: There's no sign in the MCU that the serum degrades with age. Hell, if 616 is anything to go by, it's keeping him youthful. Also, during Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron and Civil War, he had the benefit of specialised training devices (i.e. much more than just a punching bag if Agents of SHIELD is anything to go by, and I see no reason that Tony Stark would provide anything less), things that actually provide him with a challenge, advances in understanding of the serum, human physiology and hell, nutrition. Remember, during the War (First Avenger) he's living with rationing, even if there's likely some exception for his dietary needs.

Further, he's canonically born in 1918. He's recruited in 1941, shot up with the Serum about 1942, goes down in 1944/45. At the oldest he's 26 when he goes down, and the Serum has a lot of regeneration work to do. So there's no reason that he wouldn't be reaching his physical peak two to four years after his defrosting - from which he also has to recover.

Going by 616 showings alone, Batman is badly outclassed on all physical attributes and matched for skill. 8/10 for Cap.

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Gladiator probably takes the first battle 7/10 for simple reasons of mobility. The second battle, Thor stomps 10/10, simply because Warrior's Madness amps his strength up enough that even fully confident Gladiator has no answer. Also, on the Phoenix 5 remark, Thor kept on getting up and fighting on - he even knocked back the Phoenix during the attempt to try and stop it getting to Earth, surviving going one on one with the full Phoenix. It took two of the Phoenix 5 to beat him into submission enough to capture him, whereas Gladiator got stomped and was basically carried away afterwards.

And remember, way back in the original Phoenix Saga, Gladiator was as helpless as anyone else to stop the Phoenix. He couldn't even get close. Plus, Teen Jean cleaned his clock in The Trial of Jean Grey.

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@birdman400: If memory serves, they once went toe to toe in JLA/Avengers, something which consisted of the two of them testing each other, then Batman coming to the conclusion that Steve would eventually beat him, before putting the matter aside to discuss with Steve the fact that both their teams were being played. And this is 616 Cap, who is notably less powerful than Ultimate Cap, upon whom MCU Cap's physical stats are based. Then again, 616 Cap can dodge bullets, so... Anyhow, Batman's got no chance in a straight fight and he'd be a fool to seek one. Since he is not a fool, he'd use his gadgets and skills to slow Cap down, etc. And even then, I'd give it to Cap 8 times out of 10.

Anyway, just dropping by to say that Civil War has some excellent Cap feats. Going simply with the ones shown in the trailer, he's shown comfortable outrunning cars and matching Tony in a raw slugfest.

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@agustinaldo: Well, while I'm all for Cap (and a little puzzled as to why this was brought up) Braddock is a genius who was chosen by Merlin himself to be Britain's champion, has punched out cosmic level opponents, taken on multiversal level threats, has shields that through his sheer strength of will, briefly stood off the full Phoenix Force, and was once made King of all reality. So you can forgive him for thinking well of himself.

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@vascillator: I think it's going to have to be agreeing to disagree here, too. This argument is getting very circular.

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@vascillator: The whole 'demoted' thing was a joke, you do realise that? And Captain is at least an acknowledgement of her military service.

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If they were really that desperate, they'd put out a miniseries about some of Mar-Vell's past adventures or something. That said, the various series have been mixed in quality until now - though Peter David's series was delightfully surreal.