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@pr0metheus: Repeat it a few more times, maybe that will re write the laws of physic.>.<'

But whatever you want bro. According to you Jack is a "700 tonner". Showed purposefully and your only refute is the same: "oh nope, I call this crazy bs"

@cadencev2: Jack wasn't pressured by 700 ton. No one said that in the episode. The rest are your private opinion. I personally accept the basic laws of physics so I don't need to think it's a stupid feat.

That crazy physics you call is from the real life.

@jashro44: Not really if the 700 tons of water is like a giant sumo man. The water's pressure only apply from the HEIGHT. The height of the water. Water pillar.

Just think to that when you go 1 meter under the water and there are kilometers wide water around you. How many tons that? A lot. But to your body is pressured by 1 meter height of water pillar.

To hit a human body with 700 tons of water or fat, you must apply all the liquid from above.

If the sumo fighter would jump onto Jack with his foot, then he would pressured by 700 ton, as all the weight would have concentrated on Jack itself then. But the fat spread over the arena. Jack was a tiny part of the arena.

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.... So basically, you guys just misunderstood the scene.

Yes, he hurt his hand with the initial puch. I forgot that. The metal is harder than his skin.

@jashro44: "700 ton sumo thing all though that was discussed in this thread if you want to take a look"

It wasn't PIS. It still could be a PIS for a normal human, but after all Jack isn't.

It wasn't like "Jack survived 700tons< of pressure without harm". It was like he survived a giant fatty stomach spreading over his body from above. It could be less than 10 ton, but even if more... that's still a legit feat, showed purposefully.

The "totally toon force bs" is in the looney tones. This isn't on that level at all.

Also sumoto is not 700 tons of muscle, or metal, or something like that. He is fatty. Fat is not solid.

Jack wasn't hit by 700 tons or close to that weight, or more. Calling it BS is totally pointless.

He didn't hurt his hand. Notice what was happened right before he hit his head.... he kicked some item to the robot's head which is caused "seismic damage", which bothers the robot(I mean the fish inside). He tried to do the same with his fist. But it wasn't succeed because the material differences. He later repeated it with some other weapon.

@jashro44: I don't recall that 700 ton sumo thing. I don't remember any numbers given in strength or speed.

There is an episode, I don't know the episode's name, but Scottman invite Jack to his place. They made Jack go through some test. There is an even bigger(muscular) scottish man than Scottsman. He throws away a rock, far away. Jack had problem throwing away that rock, so he was only like a normal athletic close-peak human. Then he shaked hand with that man(at least 100kg) and did some MA move to throw him away right into the rock(the one that was thrown by the strong man). So anyway he still above peak human, even by low feats. Going by average and top feats... an entire episode was about as he carried a tons of heavy big rock and getting used to it.

I saw the episodes long time ago though, but I am just surprised someone say he is overrated. I know a few character who should beat him by powerset or ability or stated skill, but I never saw anyone in any series who showed on-screen as much skill as Jack.

And he isn't doing these for the plot(PIS), these are all about the plot. Being an 50 tonner... I don't know why should we give him a strength class. He fight with skill anyway, not with pure brute strength.

@jashro44: What is this overrated thing? His feats are legit and his amazing skill is unquestionable. Beating a team of 4 dangerous highly skilled warriors in a second, winning a tournament against scary robots while hungry, as a recently transformed CHICKED?:D And a lot more. So how is he VERY overrated?

@cadencev2: Knowing the facts doesn't mean you know every facts(about Samurai Jack), so you should ask and learn a lot before becoming stubborn and such. Also facts are good, I love facts(L) :D but it is only as good as you can use them.

You told that both are inconsistent pis machine. I disagree.

Batman is stated as he mastered(at least 1 black belt from each) 127 MA styles. And stated he did it in 15 years. While studying another things to professional level too(detective, business man, bodybuilding, etc). Fact? Strongly doubtful. He also stated to be a regular, mortal human with no superpower. His profile is a PIS from the beginning. Then he have shown to dodge bullet from close range. No human could do that, no matter how skilled someone. I saw mountain of PIS scans from Batman. And those still isn't as good as Jack's feats.

Jack is not stated that how many martial arts he mastered, they didn't give a number. He started to study when he was younger than Batman. He had more time to become a uniquely skilled, versatile samurai. There is no place in PIS here. We doesn't have to prove anything with numbers and such, because there isn't a statement made. That's only on Batman's side. However, the creators of SJ used real martial arts moves with the help of real martial artist. There is a video about the making of SJ, with interviews. And they showed Jack's various skill in every episode. That's more convincing than some scan about Batman mocking with noname "legendary MA master" (I saw a scan like this).

Jack isn't stated to be regular human, as for my knowledge. Dodging bullets isn't contradict with official statements. Also, he directly shown to be superhuman in multiple times. "jump cool" episode, if you really saw it and remember. He just isn't made to be overpowered. Even in that episode when he carried a tons of heavy big rock and was getting to use it, that's still showed as he "learning some new" not as he getting "more unbeatable".

About the 3 blind archers. Those killed an entire army of robots on-screen, within seconds, from distance. When Jack went forward them first like "come at me bro" and survived, that was a feat alone. Then he adapt to the situation, and soloed them with his ears instead of eyes.

So if you really saw the episodes, you could notice that Jack is at least consistently showed superhuman feats, without statements making him a pis machine.

Even if he has low feats, that's far less than the average (superhuman) feats.

Jack should clear round 1. without much trouble.

Round 2, even if the sword wouldn't harm those 2, he can defend against their swords or throwing weapons with his katana, and even cut their weapons into two(if they are not some special magic alloy, or adamantium).

Round 3 I don't know any of them

Round 4 I don't know, but they are not pure & good by any mean :D

Round 5 Maybe against a single Spiderman, but 2 of them... idk.

""Stop reply me with useless misleading denying" - I told this because he changed INDIRECTLY or directly the main, initial theme of the thread, with something like "not to mention Goku is a dumb". There isn't relation between what I have said and what Goku is, he just changed the theme with it and if I would continue to refute ONLY what he was saying, that would have lead to a plain flamewar. Why did he said what he said, what was he said? It wasn't refuting, he just denied that I am saying true things. There is no point in that as I have said, these are fiction characters. Therefore denying and misleading useless, I have no interest in flameing over nothing.

"You seems to lack basic lexical and non lexical knowledge" - He wouldn't have write things like "comes from above to save people" if he would have remember to some basic lexical knowledge, like, myths and religions. There are countless person like this over the written history, the most famous name is Jesus. It's(Superman) not an original idea. "B" was after "A" therefore B is because A is a well known logical fallacy. Lexical knowledge.

"that need for a neutral man with IQ/EQ over 105 to understand the most simple facts" I have already explained it. I can't guarantee that everyone all over the world can comprehend what am I saying. But with an average IQ/EQ and behavior that open for new information(not supposing that the debate partner is always wrong) would do the job to understand my statements/sentences/opinions/whateveritcalled.

"It's not my shame if someone can't understand it" Should I be ashamed for something? For discussing in general discussion? For that someone saying me "no one care what you say". Then don't read or don't reply me, I just use the forum for what it is. I know I am not telling stupid things, but I also know my english isn't that bad to be impossible to understand.

I have to go now, I will continue later.

@kyrees: Good, at least you try to remember the initial arguments now. I seems I have to quote it.

"50-from-now-will-goku-ever-be-as-iconic-as-superman" The original question.

"Ever? He is more iconic in certain cultures currently. I live in the center of Europe and Superman is less iconic than Spiderman."

My first sentence, the answer for the question.

He is more iconic here. Superman is less iconic than:

Spiderman, Batman, X-men team, and I don't know. He is not the number one among comic "stars" and less, far less popular than Goku, and even Ichigo. The objective reality is, just because a culture prefer X character, somewhere else still Y preferred. Money doesn't tell anything because not everyone has money to spend it on his interest. Do you know the word "pirating" and did you know that there is still a lot of people who doesn't have access to internet, or even computer?... no it doesn't seem like that. And still then, watching statics about money related things doesn't look into the mind of the people. I was on a harry potter movie, but I didn't like it, I prefer other magicians. When I hear the world wizard, I wasn't even thinking on harry potter. He is not iconic to me.

When we hear the world hero here, we doesn't thinking on superman, not even after superhero. We had a final exam here from the world "hero". It doesn't equal with superman to us. That means that, other superheros are more iconic than superman already. Not only goku. Spiderman is much much more popular too. Batman too. Will you try to arguing against it too?

Overall statics are pointless for the mentioned global reasons AND you can't count it precisely, it's virtually impossible, AND it's changeing with time, in every hour or day or week, just like the overall population of Earth.

It's not offensive, only YOU(and other americans maybe) feel it offensive.

from the link you posted

"Superman has come to be seen as both an American cultural icon" American=/=rest of the world. America is 4,idk percentage of the world.

And it's pointless to continue this debate if you can't comprehend what I have just said. Literally. Not for insult or trolling or hating. I have already gave the answer for the question, the rest just voting(which I don't mind and don't care) or flameing(which I don't like) or telling own experiences(which is good but overall truth, and shouldn't handle as that).

Also you factually proven to be wrong from every aspect with the "Superman inspired Goku" thing, and you couldn't admit it. It's not nice.