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IMO, it’s implied that zombie sheev scales above ROTJ Vader:

“But the Force itself belied any perception of frailty, for a cloud of darkness and need swelled from the creature, along with power like Kylo had never before encountered.”

The phrase “the force itself belied any perception of frailty” implies that the power like Kylo had never before encountered is referring to the magnitude of Palpatine’s power. His power belied his frailty because it was so immense. Therefore:

TROS Zombie Palpatine>Prime Grandmaster Luke>ROTJ Luke=ROTJ Vader

Zombie Palpatine is stated to be weaker than ROTJ Sidious. The novel reveals the clone body of Sidious was unable to contain ROTJ Sidious Immense power.

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If anything Zombie Sidious was getting Weaker and Weaker.

What Kylo actually meant is open for interpretation, Kylo even asked Sidious what could he give him. it implied that Kylo might have been Talking about a political thing.

No ROTJ Luke was not equal to ROTJ. This irrefutable when Vader defeated 4 mutated clones that was created from Luke's DNA, and Snoke Who Luke implied also has the same type of power as Sidious was made from Luke's DNA.

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@mygod000: how dyad sheev win ?

Because After sidious Absorbs the Dyad From Rey and Kylo he became much more powerful than ROTJ sidious who in the recent comic was shown to be a good deal more powerful than Vader.

Dyad Sidious>>ROTJ Sidious>>Darth Vader ROTJ>>>>ROTS Sidious

Only Mortis Anakin Stomps Dyad Sidious in a straight up fight. This depends on which Version of TROS Sidious we are debating. if It's Zombie Dead Sidious, Vader would have a field day with that sidious and bully him because it stated That Sidious is weaker than ROTJ Sidious while Vader is somewhat comparable to ROTJ Sidious, more so then Zombie Sidious who isn't.

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Depending on which Sidious this is. If it Pre dyad Zombie Sidious who in a dying clone body and Massively weaker than ROTJ self than Vader obliterates and Breaks Sidious neck and Hand making him beg while he shoves his light saber down his throat.

If this is dyad Sidious, then He beat Vader pretty badly.

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@frozen said:
@mygod000 said:

Sidious one shots x3 by unlimited power.

Kylo Ren is nothing more than a Bootleg Luke Skywalker Emo. However, he still was the Best thing in the ST.

Do you have the quote of Emperor having all the sith pre TROS?

That impossible because that type of information wasn't released until TROS novel which revealed that how the sith Live on They inhabit current Sith.

Like I said the novel implies that how it goes.

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@frozen said:

@jedisympathiz3r: There were quotes in Legends saying Luke was his equal.

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G-canon Doesn't agree with that since it mentioned many times That Vader was hindering in Legends with a lot of conflict and Luke using Dark side emotions to combat Vader.

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Sidious one shots x3 by unlimited power.

Kylo Ren is nothing more than a Bootleg Luke Skywalker Emo. However, he still was the Best thing in the ST.

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@frozen: @mygod000: I think he’s referring to the one where Palpatine tells Rey to strike him down so his spirit can transfer into her, as all the sith live in him. I don’t think the novel actually says that’s what happens every time a sith kills their master, but it’s kind of implied.

I could be wrong though. Maybe he’s thinking of a different quote.

Yes it not directly stated but implied that how it works.

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@mygod000: I’m not saying he could do it to ROTS Sidious. I’m just pointing out that he’s still really powerful.

If you look at my first post I said that ROTS Sidious would win because he can duel and use force lightning.

I agreed he is immense and powerful, but no where near as powerful as ROTJ Sidious.

Yes, which I agree with because Power is one thing but also mobility is deciding factor here. The novel also States Every time a Sith Kills it's master they take in all the sith That he had. Sidious after he killed his master was always a vessel for all the other sith, he just couldn't use their powers properly until dyad.

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@mygod000: I mean, he was able to ragdoll Ben and Reyso it’s not like he’s completely defenseless. He’s able to use his power, it’s just that it makes his body decay.

That not really impressive feat, I'd imagine he could ragdoll fodder just fine, but can he do that to serious contenders to his throne? ROTS Sidious is a Serious contender. What Sidious Did was Force drain them, Both Sidious and Vader has that ability.

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@sonofdarkness said:

@mygod000: he’s weaker than what?

Based on the novelization he still possesses immense power, his body is just weakened and it’s possible he’s not able to channel his full power because of that. He’s still able to utilize telekinesis very well though, like he did against Ben and Rey.

Yeah, but the novel also states he is unable to contain the powers he had during ROTJ because his body couldn't handle it. This was established immediately after Sidious spirit was in that clone body.

Yes, he still has immense powers but he literally can't do anything and is defenseless while in that state.