@mygod000: ofc, he's faster, can teleport and just shrink into his blindspot.
He also doesn't even need to get close. He teleported kawaki out with a secured room in the village without even being in the same dimension as him.
That was using his Connection to Kawaki...has zero to do with this Opponent.
If he could have always done that he would have just did it when he invaded the leaf.
^seems like a perfect time to teleport Kawaki to him if he could do that.
He was Faster than Sasuke He wasn't able to get his blind spot because of that Sharingan.
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But Probably not lol
The same Person who translated Isshiki Statements also translated Boro stuff and made it clear that Boro has the statements above Delta.
The person who translated Isshiki is strongest is also me too
You can say Boro has statements above Delta while Delta has feats but the end of the Day Boro fought Boro and Kawaki who was almost 80% Otsutsuki.
Doesnt mean Boruto was 80% of momoshiki power lv at that time hes only 80% when momoshiki is in control in Karma lv 2, which draws on more power form the inner otsutsuki than lv 1 does. Boruto wasnt able to be conscious for lv 2 until reason chapters when he fought White Karma Code pre limiters unlocked.
Manga makes it clear that the New Cyborgs that are greater than Jigen are below full blood Otsutsuki members.
According to Ada Boruto and Kawaki are full Otsutsuki now.
Boruto and Kawaki now >>>>> Fodder versions of Boruto and Kawaki in Boro fight pre Borushiki
Debunked again
You just destroyed your whole Argument.
You said Ki is more destructive than Chakra...ergo my point they are not the same they are two completely Different series. What happens in DBZ doesn't apply to Naruto, you should stop trying to use that as a main point in debates.
Not my point...Delta tossed Himawari in the Air and followed it up with a Beam. All that happened while Kawaki was on the Ground, it shouldn't matter how close he was to the Beam the point was he wasn't in the Air when the Beam was fired and Managed to blitz past the beams.
*Face Palms* The Beams were a Threat to Naruto because of their Ability to Stop Regeneration. Delta didn't utilize those Beams until Chapters later when she was getting Desperate. My point again Boro would use his Virus Long before Delta even Considers using her beams in combat. Boro doesn't have to worry about her Physical Strength because he has Regeneration which negg diffs physical Strength.
How were Momoshiki and Kinishiki nerfed? Kinishiki was Boding Sasuke when we see his fight, yet Still got trashed by Kages. Momoshiki Weakness is Taijutsu...but from that we know he isn't a threat to Kaguya. He was unable to physical overpower Kages which proves he doesn't have any scaling to match God tiers like Kaguya or come anywhere near her.
You're Trying to use AP Argument for Boruto using DBZ as an Example...but you won't accept that for Juubi who is already Small Planet level in just it 2nd form. My question is Why do you jump from using AP to using DC when it convenient to you? I've told you Multiples in this thread the Juubi way more powerful than Toneri. If were going off the idea that Full Otsutsuki>Toneri.
Then I don't see why Juubi isn't> Base Momoshiki and Kinishiki at bare minimal. Especially considering The Kages that took On Momoshiki and Kinishiki verbatim said fighting the Juubi is the Worse Case scenario right after they already Handled Base Momoshiki and Kinishiki.
Exactly, DBZ is a Liner Series with Common Trope of this Guy came after The last guy so he is much more powerful. Boruto and Naruto doesn't always use that trope.
No Jigen didn't tank a TBB From Kurama Avatar. where are you getting That information from
He never touched him in that fight, Post the scan of Kurama Naruto using TBB on Jigen i want to see this scene where Jigen "tanked" that TBB.
Okay, my point again that Ranking didn't matter Because Kaguya still nearly killed Isshiki.
Kinishiki never attempted to Take out Momoshiki so all it means is the Gap between Kaguya and Isshiki was smaller than the Gap between Kinishiki and Momoshiki. That actually more sound Argument using Hyuuga's Ranking of their hierarchy than You trying to use DBZ to Argue Boruto.
Again, go back and Read the Manga. Amando Stated She betrayed Isshiki to Get the fruit and have it for herself.
On the Bottom right Amando doesn't know Kaguya's Motives. Whether it was personal or Wanting the Fruit all to herself.
The Fact is Kaguya Betrayed Isshiki Before she Harvested the chakra fruit.
Kaguya Didn't Get Rinne-Sharingan until earth Chakra fruit otherwise Every Other Otsutsuki would have Rinne-Sharingan.
Just because the Last was Released on feb/20/ 2015...the product was already finished Long before it's Release date buddy. The Film Premiered on December 6th 2014. That a little under a month before the Manga ended which was November 10 2014. The Last Was first Announced on 2012 during Jump Festa. The Rinnegan was already a thing So it wouldn't be that hard to Draw Sasuke 2 years after the War with a Rinnegan. The First Trailer Came out July 31 2014. The movie was already done Before the Manga ended buddy. Yet they still didn't make any indication of Naruto meeting The Sage of Six paths in that movie while they were Recalling The events that happened in those two years. They brought up EMS Madara but they didn't mention Naruto meeting Hagoromo? LMFAO.
I'm not trolling, we are have difference views of how we rate things, I just so happen to see things differently then you do. I'm not as biased or unreasonable as you are.
You were trying to wank Boruto Characters using Amando implication of Isshiki being a world ender to put him over Madara. However, you didn't take into account that Madara also has those Same Statements from Hagoromo. You also didn't think about How Isshiki would end the world because he sure as hell not destroy a planet with his punches and kicks.
Kaguya can easily one shot a planet with ETSO what does Isshiki have to destroy a planet?
the Answer to your question is simple Isshiki has a juubi.
Isshiki was going to use his Ten tails like bijuu to drain the planet effectively killing it.
His most used Abilities is him Shrinking Normal Rods and sticking them on you once he put them back to Normal Size they cause mortal wounds.
Everyone Juubi Jin you're trying to Downplay in Naruto leagues Better Rods. Truth Seeking Rods>>>>Normal Rods.
The only difference is Jigen/Isshiki can Shrink their Rods so that you can't even see when you're hit unless you have some Kinetic Vision...i am half way Convince you don't need that because Bayron Naruto didn't have any Kinetic Vision and did just fine against Isshiki Rods.
Jigen and Isshiki Rods wouldn't even Work on Obito, Madara, Or Kaguya.
Both Madara and Kaguya have Kekkei Mora Rinne-Sharingan, They could easily just Genjutsu Jigen and Isshiki who has no Resistance to That.
Even Obito has a Sharingan which has Kinetic Vision so he would also see those Rods of Isshiki and Jigen. Madara also has Limbo who have the Same Abilities as Madara and can easily just impale Isshiki or Jigen with Rods. Neither Isshiki or Jigen can see them since they lack Rinnegan. I would Avoid using The Anime for Boruto because their are a lot of piss Poor scenes that can debunk your arguments as well.
My premise here is this Kaguya is far more powerful than Isshiki, I've not see you argue any Ability Isshiki has that would allow him to destroy a planet like Kaguya can with Her ETSO.
We can conclude here War arc Kaguya>>>>>Isshiki.
What a circus
Even injured Boruto scales to Boro lmfao
And this guy is strong as Sasuke or Delta ?
GtfohðŸ˜
Sounds like a Classic case of Incredulity fallacy.
Because it sounds unbelievable to you doesn't mean it isn't true.
Like I told you before you need to be more reasonable and unbiased here.
Sasuke Has no knowledge of Boro or his Ability...how would he win? If you're going to disagree do it wouldn't insulting people this will make you a much better debater on this site and you might even start to convince others.
Your welcome ;)
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But Probably not lol
The same Person who translated Isshiki Statements also translated Boro stuff and made it clear that Boro has the statements above Delta.
The person who translated Isshiki is strongest is also me too
You can say Boro has statements above Delta while Delta has feats but the end of the Day Boro fought Boro and Kawaki who was almost 80% Otsutsuki.
Doesnt mean Boruto was 80% of momoshiki power lv at that time hes only 80% when momoshiki is in control in Karma lv 2, which draws on more power form the inner otsutsuki than lv 1 does. Boruto wasnt able to be conscious for lv 2 until reason chapters when he fought White Karma Code pre limiters unlocked.
Manga makes it clear that the New Cyborgs that are greater than Jigen are below full blood Otsutsuki members.
According to Ada Boruto and Kawaki are full Otsutsuki now.
Boruto and Kawaki now >>>>> Fodder versions of Boruto and Kawaki in Boro fight pre Borushiki
Debunked again
You didn't debunk me at all.
I annihilated your dumb Sypnosis the troll even tried to say SPSM Naruto is weak as Base Boruto lmfao
1) show everyone in this Thread that Naruto/Boruto follows the Same logic as DBZ. All your doing is committing a Fallacy here They are two different shows they don't follow the same logic.
Kishi fav series is DBZ. Boro regen is based off Cell with the core thing.
2) Delta fastest Attack is trash compared to Kawaki and anyone who is as fast as him since he can dodge it and blitz the attack. Boro kept up with Kawaki.
Kawaki didn’t dodge the beam he just jumped in the way. But it’s a outlier. Kawaki is slower than Base Naruto troll. You think Kawaki is faster than spsm ? You prove time and time again your posts are idiotic and not well thought out. Make a post about Kawaki being faster than SPSM you’ll get laughed at like the clown you are.
3) Sarada Chidori didn't end the fight
It still cleaved through him Boro is fodder post a time when fodder kids are ever able to land blows or blow apart of Delta body off you can’t only can cope
Boro was still Fighting Borushiki ended the fight Not Sarada.
That’s not a fight Borushiki one shot Boro
By destroying Boro's core they neutralized Boro's Regen.
All you need to do is destroy his entire body and Naruto and Sasuke any version of them post kcm1 can one shot Boro if they have counter for his virus like mitsuki acyually Boro proves how pathetic and trash he is without his Horus effecting people. Sarada stayed a distance without being effected by it. Surely Sasuke can as well. And summon snakes like Mitsuki to cure the virus.
4) that not what I asked you...i never said Lava Spam would Touch Delta. I asked you to show Delta having AOE on the same Level as Boro's attack.
And I asked you to show Boro with god tier feats. He don’t have them because he don’t scale up to god tiers like delta who fought a actual god tier while Boro fought low tiers town lv tbat were weaker than kcm1 Naruto from war. SPSM >> kcm2 + sm >> kcm2 >> kcm1 >> Base Naruto >> Boro / kids
5) you shouldn't talk about other peoples Logic when you're trying to use DBZ (a completely different show with completely different Rules on how they handled things) To Naruto/Boruto.
Kishimoto adapts DBZ elements into his series all the time why do you think we are in the Android saga of Boruto also kishi had a statue of Frieza in his studio when drawing Shippuden.
If you asked me you're the one with the Poor Argument if you need to use other Series every time you can't explain something from Boruto.
Its good analogy because both are long running series that are sequels Boruto is like transitioning from 23rd Budokai to Saiyan saga where years have passed. Naruto is like Saiyan saga Goku and Sasuke is like Saiyan saga piccolo and boruro is like kid Gohan with untap power. Isshiki is based off Frieza. The head of the gang who others take orders from him (Kaguya) Sasuke in the last is similar to piccolo. Wearing turban clothing staring at the desert somewhere. Both train their rival son.
6) The moment Naruto overloaded Delta Absorption he one shotted her with a Jutsu. Proving Naruto's Jutsu>>Naruto's Physical Strength.
Yesterday I already explained delta scales to him physically but not in ninjutsu
If i recall Naruto amassed All Kurama chakra into that one Chakra punch he used on Toneri. He never did that to Delta.
No naruto only fought and beat Toneri with KCM + Sm. Not KCM + SPSM. Clown. KCM + SM is weaker than SPSM+KCM.
7) Never said Boruto Scaled to Isshiki I said I stopped his cube attack.
You are implying that idiotic claim tho just like you implied Kawaki faster than delta not even using your brain to think for yourself how that is a outlier when Kawaki is slower than Base Naruto whi obviously can’t dodge them in base
8) i'm very prepared you don't see me using Other shows to debate this I'm using logic from Boruto...which works perfectly. You’re not you use illogical methods, wait for days to say idiotic statements, ignore any good scaling Boruto series has, claims Boruto verse doesn’t scale to Naruto verse lol
9) That the type of poor argument from you i'm talking about...Boro was Defeated by Ninjutsu...something you just admitted Delta sucks at.
Delta can scale to Naruto in physicals she doesn’t have to scale to him in Ninjutsu. VS with Boro who physically scales to children as well as jutsu wise. Delta ninjutsu wise never stalemate naruto ninjitsu like Sarada vs Boro. But her beams are classified as Ninjutsu and can harm a god tier like Naruto so yes she scales to him with her physicals and beams. But she doesn’t scale to his ninjutsu as far as Rasengan.
You're the type of person who things Physical Strength alone can overpower high Regeneration and Immortality. If that was the case why Wasn't Borushiki able to kill Boro with His physical Strength since he was completely blowing his body apart with kicks and punches Yet in the end Resorted to using Ninjutsu?
Some people physicals are weaker than their Ninjutsu. Which is consistent in series. But some people physicals can overpower people ninjutsu like the last Naruto physicals > Toneri moon cutter. Delta tanks those punches so she by default scales way higher than mere children and mere Boro who was fucked up multiple times by said children.
10) first off, Learn what you're debating buddy:
Naruto was in Base form not SPSM.
Naruto lended his spsm power while in Base form. He did this in the last to where he dropped out his BSM to Base but still retaining the bsm power inside his hand. Naruto does this as adult with Rasengan. Only idiots think Base Naruto Rasengan is what kills fused momo lmfao Boruto even asked just how much training Naruto had to do to get it that strong. Wtf I thought everybody knew this lol how old are you kid ??
Secondly, That was Naruto Combined his own Rasengan with Boruto's Vanishing Rasengan creating a far more powerful Jutsu. Just like Base Naruto in the Last unable to destroy the Tenseigan Weapon by his own power until he and Hinata combined their jutsu, creating a completely new far more powerful Jutsu than the individuals who created it.
It was Naruto power that was doing all the heavy work. Naruto could have killed fused momo without needing Boruto. He just wanted the ladder to have experience against a god tier. The novel supports this as well. But after this arc Boruto goes back down to being comparable to part 1 tiers like Sarada and base Mitsuki.
You are a S class lv clown for thinking Boro is > Naruto when Base Naruto tank attack that blows Boro tf up
I never talked to someone so dense in my life you might need your head examined
Are you still unable to comprehend you're own argument?
You're committing a Fallacy. Because Kishi is a Fan of DBZ doesn't imply or insinuate his Verse works the same way as DBZ. People with a power level of 200 can one-shot the moon in DBZ. that logic Doesn't apply in Naruto or Boruto.
How do you suppose Kawaki managed to get in front of that Beam while he was on the Ground; Delta punted Himawari in the air?
The only one Coping is you think Delta's physical Strength is going to kill Boro.
Who made the Rules that you need to be God tier to fight someone? 4 Kages are not God tier, They don't have God tier Feats, yet they still managed to Force Momoshiki to run and Killed Kinshiki. Boruto even Damaged Momoshiki with a punch.
It can have some elements of DBZ, But they don't follow the same logic.
In DBZ, if you're Stronger, then You win.
We See people in DBZ easily Tank Attacks From people weaker than them...Kaguya Didn't Tank Naruto's Punch in the face, Nor did she tank Sakura Punch. Isshiki Didn't Tank Kojin's Attacks he used his secrete Jutsu to counter him. They don't follow the Same Rules.
The only thing Amando Said was that Isshiki outranked Kaguya. Hinata Outranked Neji same with Her Sister; that doesn't mean they were more powerful. That Was 1000s of year ago Before Kaguya Ate earth Fruit Gained massive power ups post Isshiki.
All you're doing is Banking on Scans that talk About the Last Naruto making slight increase in 2 years. You haven't yet told me How it correlates to SPSM Which, is Exponential power boost To Naruto on top of his 9 tails chakra which is already enormous. You've also Failed To realize that SPSM wasn't a thing in Last Naruto movie, production of that movie came out before Naruto even met Hagoromo and Gained SPSM.
You have one more attempt at insulting me then i'm Reporting you to a mod. You can disgree without insulting people.
How, huh? Am I missing something here? Didn’t Isshiki solo stomp a much stronger Naruto and Sasuke? How is this even a debate?
They were not stronger as shown here:
In Boruto Kurama Avatar Naruto is him going all out and full power.
Naruto Adding Massive amounts of Nature energy to Three Head Kurama Avatar is a whole Tier more powerful than Kurama Avatar.
@mygod000: since when did obito absorb the god tree?
^ Right there we see this.
If it Obito who Still Has the full Ten Tails in him Isshiki with Physical strength isn't winning He will get outlasted and die.
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But Probably not lol
The same Person who translated Isshiki Statements also translated Boro stuff and made it clear that Boro has the statements above Delta.
The person who translated Isshiki is strongest is also me too
You can say Boro has statements above Delta while Delta has feats but the end of the Day Boro fought Boro and Kawaki who was almost 80% Otsutsuki.
Doesnt mean Boruto was 80% of momoshiki power lv at that time hes only 80% when momoshiki is in control in Karma lv 2, which draws on more power form the inner otsutsuki than lv 1 does. Boruto wasnt able to be conscious for lv 2 until reason chapters when he fought White Karma Code pre limiters unlocked.
Manga makes it clear that the New Cyborgs that are greater than Jigen are below full blood Otsutsuki members.
According to Ada Boruto and Kawaki are full Otsutsuki now.
Boruto and Kawaki now >>>>> Fodder versions of Boruto and Kawaki in Boro fight pre Borushiki
Debunked again
You didn't debunk me at all.
1) show everyone in this Thread that Naruto/Boruto follows the Same logic as DBZ. All your doing is committing a Fallacy here They are two different shows they don't follow the same logic.
2) Delta fastest Attack is trash compared to Kawaki and anyone who is as fast as him since he can dodge it and blitz the attack. Boro kept up with Kawaki.
3) Sarada Chidori didn't end the fight Boro was still Fighting Borushiki ended the fight Not Sarada. By destroying Boro's core they neutralized Boro's Regen.
4) that not what I asked you...i never said Lava Spam would Touch Delta. I asked you to show Delta having AOE on the same Level as Boro's attack.
5) you shouldn't talk about other peoples Logic when you're trying to use DBZ (a completely different show with completely different Rules on how they handled things) To Naruto/Boruto.
If you asked me you're the one with the Poor Argument if you need to use other Series every time you can't explain something from Boruto.
6) The moment Naruto overloaded Delta Absorption he one shotted her with a Jutsu. Proving Naruto's Jutsu>>Naruto's Physical Strength. If i recall Naruto amassed All Kurama chakra into that one Chakra punch he used on Toneri. He never did that to Delta.
7) Never said Boruto Scaled to Isshiki I said I stopped his cube attack.
8) i'm very prepared you don't see me using Other shows to debate this I'm using logic from Boruto...which works perfectly.
9) That the type of poor argument from you i'm talking about...Boro was Defeated by Ninjutsu...something you just admitted Delta sucks at. You're the type of person who things Physical Strength alone can overpower high Regeneration and Immortality. If that was the case why Wasn't Borushiki able to kill Boro with His physical Strength since he was completely blowing his body apart with kicks and punches Yet in the end Resorted to using Ninjutsu?
10) first off, Learn what you're debating buddy:
Naruto was in Base form not SPSM. Secondly, That was Naruto Combined his own Rasengan with Boruto's Vanishing Rasengan creating a far more powerful Jutsu. Just like Base Naruto in the Last unable to destroy the Tenseigan Weapon by his own power until he and Hinata combined their jutsu, creating a completely new far more powerful Jutsu than the individuals who created it.
There is many more examples of this Naruto as well Like KCM Naruto+EMS Sasuke using FRS+Amaterasu to damage the Ten tails and 5 Kages combining their jutsu in the end to create a more powerful Jutsu making Madara use his full power PS.
11)That doesn't matter where they came from the point was it was beams and he dodged it.
12) Because I made an Argument for Boro that means i'm his fan? LMFAO.
13) Ironic coming from you who uses Kaguya Scrolls to argue Momoshiki and Kinishiki are Kaguya level...but then get butthurt that I use Statements That says Boro is greater than Delta.
You're the Same person who uses Isshiki Statements of him outranking pre- Fruit Kaguya to try and prove he is above post Fruit Kaguya.
You can't have your Cake and Eat it too.
14) That is talking about Naruto the Last Which Says now that he is 19 years old he is a little stronger than Before. The Last Naruto wasn't in SPSM and Your scans states SPSM is exponential power up boost Compared to BSM, and you supported that by saying SPSM many leagues more powerful BSM...How would that Scan feebly make any sense if it's verbatim saying Naruto in 2 years after the War only got a little bit stronger than before. My question is How can being a Little stronger equate to surpassing a form which is exponentially more powerful than BSM make any logical Sense? If you think about it Naruto having Full Kurama, Essentially didn't make any difference in his power if he only gained a small increase in only 2 years We know SPSM is exponentially bigger power up than Having Kurama as you said.
How i interpret that Is that KCM+SM Naruto>BSM Naruto that Fought Juubi Obito.
Name another Tag Team in boruto series Stronger than Adult Naruto and Sasuke i'll wait...until then i agree they are the Strongest Tag team in Boruto series.
15) Strongest we've seen in Boruto series...but like I said That doesn't imply Naruto series otherwise it would have Said Isshiki was the Strongest villain of all time.
But it doesn't say that...right now you're trying to argue Semantic here. I don't need to assume He is strongest Villain of all time unless specifically stated.
16)We also know Most of the Power doesn't come from Karma it comes from the Otsutsuki experience as Code said The True power of Karma was they gain the Knowledge and combat experience of that OTsutsuki...they don't really even get a power up they gain knowledge of that Otsutsuki and How they fight. Which was How Kawaki was able to use Isshiki Cubes and Rods.
17) agree with that about boruto and Kawaki thing but that about the only thing agree with that you said in this whole piss poor rebuttal you tried to muster up.
Even in the Jigen Fight He asked Naruto and Sasuke to show him their Full power which was just basic Kurama Avatar.
While VOTE Naruto has AA which is>>>That form.
You can't prove Adult NAruto Kurama is above AA Mode. So how can they be Stronger when they had an extra far more powerful form as Teens than PS and Kamura avatar?
You got brutally soloed here my friend. Also i had to shorting your post since you posted long replies with pic and don't even use spoilers to at least make it shorter.
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