@yuzucknetou: naruto literally used kurama avatar as a teen in spsm lol , he can use he’s ashura mode he just needs to absorb natural energy which will take a long time, I’m pretty sure if he did that he would be killed before he gets the chance to absorb natural energy and the son of hagoromo isn’t listed as a user of spsm,only naruto is cause it was gifted to him by hagoromo with his undyin will to save sasuke and never giving up,where as Ashura gave up and was willin to kill indra
He is asking why didn't Adult Naruto use SPSM Version of Kurama which is Ashura Avatar.
The Same Form Ashura used while in SPSM.
Hagoromo not being listed as SPSM user doesn't really mean much Sasuke isn't listed as PS user but the Consensus is he can use it and uses the form.
@mygod000: I never said the reason “narutos spsm was different as an adult”, I said the reason his kurama chakra mode is different bc he has both versions of kurama spsm is not kurama cloak AGAIN Madara doesn’t have spsm= Six Paths Sage mode “It is a divine state gifted by Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki to those who have an iron faith and the guts to never give up.“ <- literally what the manga says and lists naruto as the only user u keep confusing six paths senjutsu with spsm
Just bc the ten tails is stronger than the nine tails doesn’t change the fact kuramas chakra mode is still only used by naruto and only accessible to him ,and him gaining another half of it would change the chakra mode which would make sense which u were tryna say his change of color chakra mode in boruto would say he’s weaker which u tried to argue makes no sense whatsoever
@mygod000: And madara had six and nine magatamas so I don’t know where ur going with this magatama thing? And nowhere is it shown to display power it’s just stated it’s something that’s shown when you’ve unlocked six paths senjutsu not spsm (which u keep getting it confused with) from the tailed beasts chakra or hagoromos chakra
@mygod000: and I’m pretty sure the magatama represents the chakra of the tailed beasts bc in order to gain six paths senjutsu u need chakra of all the tailed beasts or six paths chakra from hagoromo , this goes for sasuke bc he gained six paths senjutsu in the war without needing tailed beast chakra he got it through hagoromo instead
That doesn't matter.
My whole premise is that Naruto as an Adult is weaker in terms of power compared to what he was back then. We have proof of that From the Author Confirming he had to make Naruto and Sasuke weaker than before to not repeat the same thing he did in Naruto by making them too powerful.
You also have to factor in that Story is no longer about Naruto and Sasuke they are Side characters now...so they can be killed and don't have plot armor or plot shielding.
Adult Sasuke who is Adult Naruto's Equal was getting defeated by Urashiki a character created by Kishimoto and was suppose to be in the Naruto to Boruto Movie but wasn't due to time.
Urashiki defeated Sasuke Multiple times even while Gaara was helping him. We see in Boruto Jiraiya could stand toe to Toe with Otsutsuki who was stated to be powerful member.
Regardless, my point is Adult Naruto still has RSM...but the form is weaker than it was back then due to him having less Magatama.
Sasuke Gained Six path Senjutsu due to Yin Seal which is SPS chakra.
He no longer has that Seal just like he no longer has Black Chidori which Represents using Six path Senjutsu chakra with His Chidori.
naruto uses, KCM2 plus sage mode in boruto
The eyes are the same
The pattern on the arms is the same
notiice how the black markings on the arm match up with kcm2 not spsm
I understand That...Which is why I said Adult Naruto is using Base SPSM. However, His Cloaked is Difference while in His full power form is not the Same.
As an Adult he has 3 Less Magatama on his back while using SPSM+KCM2.
While, as a Teen He had 9 Magatama on his back while in SPSM+Cloak form.
People, are ignoring that was the Main Reason It was revealed Naruto had Six paths Senjutsu was due to his 9 Magatama and the Markings on his back.
He doesn't have those Markings anymore and he has 3 less Magatama on His back.
Seem pretty self-Explanatory what it means.
One of the peoples i Was Debating on here was so upset about me saying Itachi could See Isshiki, He didn't take into Consideration The Sharingan can see nanoscale bombs as well as Viruses in the Air.
Madara's Rinnegan was able to see Nanoscale chakra in Gai before he was going to die from his 8th Gate.
Seeing Isshiki and Him doing his abilities wouldn't be the problem As for Following him Jigen said The Sharingan allows him to follow him Moments and see him which was why he wanted to Take Sasuke out first because he was a Threat.
You haven't taken a position in this debate...but
My main Premise here is The Author has gone on record that They had to make Naruto and Sasuke Weaker for the Story because he made them too strong at the end of his Manga.
We see Even Part 1 Hero like Jiraiya can handle his own Against a Strong and powerful Otsutsuki Member.
I find it strange That BM Naruto and BSM Naruto both have Full Cloaks like Adult Naruto even though they have 50% of 9 tails...but SPSM Teen Naruto has half a cloak with 50% of the 9 tails.
@mygod000: I never said the reason “narutos spsm was different as an adult”, I said the reason his kurama chakra mode is different bc he has both versions of kurama spsm is not kurama cloak AGAIN Madara doesn’t have spsm= Six Paths Sage mode “It is a divine state gifted by Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki to those who have an iron faith and the guts to never give up.“ <- literally what the manga says and lists naruto as the only user u keep confusing six paths senjutsu with spsm
Just bc the ten tails is stronger than the nine tails doesn’t change the fact kuramas chakra mode is still only used by naruto and only accessible to him ,and him gaining another half of it would change the chakra mode which would make sense which u were tryna say his change of color chakra mode in boruto would say he’s weaker which u tried to argue makes no sense whatsoever
@mygod000: And madara had six and nine magatamas so I don’t know where ur going with this magatama thing? And nowhere is it shown to display power it’s just stated it’s something that’s shown when you’ve unlocked six paths senjutsu not spsm (which u keep getting it confused with) from the tailed beasts chakra or hagoromos chakra
@mygod000: and I’m pretty sure the magatama represents the chakra of the tailed beasts bc in order to gain six paths senjutsu u need chakra of all the tailed beasts or six paths chakra from hagoromo , this goes for sasuke bc he gained six paths senjutsu in the war without needing tailed beast chakra he got it through hagoromo instead
That doesn't matter.
My whole premise is that Naruto as an Adult is weaker in terms of power compared to what he was back then. We have proof of that From the Author Confirming he had to make Naruto and Sasuke weaker than before to not repeat the same thing he did in Naruto by making them too powerful.
You also have to factor in that Story is no longer about Naruto and Sasuke they are Side characters now...so they can be killed and don't have plot armor or plot shielding.
Adult Sasuke who is Adult Naruto's Equal was getting defeated by Urashiki a character created by Kishimoto and was suppose to be in the Naruto to Boruto Movie but wasn't due to time.
Urashiki defeated Sasuke Multiple times even while Gaara was helping him. We see in Boruto Jiraiya could stand toe to Toe with Otsutsuki who was stated to be powerful member.
Regardless, my point is Adult Naruto still has RSM...but the form is weaker than it was back then due to him having less Magatama.
Sasuke Gained Six path Senjutsu due to Yin Seal which is SPS chakra.
He no longer has that Seal just like he no longer has Black Chidori which Represents using Six path Senjutsu chakra with His Chidori.
@mygod000: and hagoromo or madara were never implied to be able to use kurama chakra mode so idk why u think them gaining both kuramas would change their appearance when their never shown to be able to use it
Why does that matter? They were using the Ten tails>>Kurama+all Other Bijuu.
They still had the same Markings. Teen Naruto while in SPSM still had the same Markings as them even though he was using Kurama+Other Tailed Beast.
Like I said It still doesn't negate the fact that Adult Naruto has only 6 Magatama on his back while Teen Six path Naruto had 9.
@mygod000: I’m not sayin the amount of tailed beast u have determined what ur spsm looks like, ur confusin urself in order for u to gain six paths senjutsu which the magatama on the back implies u have (WHICH IS NOT SPSM the mode naruto got gifted and is stated the only user) to have the chakra of the 9 tailed beast or have the ten tails
You said The reason why Naruto SPSM was different was as an adult was because he had 100% of the 9 tails.
Why would Naruto having 100% 9 tails play any factor in his SPSM Being different?
I said HAgoromo had all the 9 tails as well and his SPSM Still looked just like Madara who had half the 9 tails.
You don't understand Naruto series it seems. You're confused by what you're debating here.
Magatama is associated with Power in Naruto verse the More Magatama you have the more power you have.
^That was illustrated in the series buddy. This is actually pretty interesting the Symbol on Naruto belly is the Same one Obito had under his SPSM Marking indicating he had Gained SPSM from the ten tails but not the full scope of it.
^As you see he progressively got more powerful as he gained More Magatama.
You can't Argue Magatama has nothing to do with power when we see it in the Series As Naruto got More powerful he gained more Magatama.
As an adult Naruto has 6 Magatama...As a Teen SPSM Naruto has 9 Magatama on his back alone. That not even counting the 6 Around his neck while SPSM As a Teen.
@mygod000: narutos magatama on his cloak has nothing to do with spsm , that’s six paths senjutsu an ability he gained from having the chakra of all tailed beasts it’s even stated on the panels u posted learn the difference between the two , spsm is stated a gift from hagoromo and that naruto is the only user,six paths senjutsu is what u gain from the chakra of the tailed beast the magatama symbol on the peoples back that gain the chakra shows proof of this
@mygod000: and if u use ur brain and put 2 n 2 together u would realize narutos cloak looks different because he now has both versions of kurama
You made 0 sense here.
If The amount of Tailed Beast you have determines what your SPSM look like than Hagoromo's Should have had a vastly different SPSM since he also has 100% Kurama and 100% of the other Tailed Beast as well.
This Scan alone debunks your entire point you made here. Like you said use your brain.
Madara had half the 9 tails+all the other bijuu with the same identical mark as Hagoromo who had all of the bijuu.
Naruto having 100% of the 9 tails wouldn't make visual difference.
unless His SPSM was weaker since he only has 6 magatama instead of 9 when he was a teen with SPSM.
I still don't see how Obito is going to deal with Isshiki's speed and strength.
Regeneration Negg diff Strength.
Doesn't matter. Isshiki turns him into mince.
why is that Naruto with his Inferior SPSM was able to keep up with Isshiki speed to the point he was able to grab him.
It's making more and More sense as I think about it because Cloak Being Different than SPSM Cloak.
I wasn't even talking about cloaks and modes. I have no idea why you brought it up, so I won't reply to this cringe sh1t.
Obito has Sharingan so he can keep up with Isshiki and follow his movements.
What a terrible argument. Not surprised since it's you though. Itachi also has Sharingan, so he can keep up with Isshiki too?
You're just a meme.
I put you in your place a year ago. So don't tag me into shit.
No he doesn't. He was unable to turn Naruto or Sasuke into Mince after undergoing another power up from Jigen.
you don't have to like it but it make sense because he No longer has SPSM Markings which means his SPSM is much weaker than when he was Teen.
Were not talking about Itachi...But if he is using Sharingan he should at least be able to see Isshiki follow some of his moments that what Sharingan does slows down movement.
Gaara and Darui was able to keep up with Otsutsuki's without having Sharingan.
Even Jiraiya was able to Keep up with Urashiki without the use of Sharingan Urashiki is stated to be powerful member of the Otsutsuki clan.
You tagged me first and i replied. You never put anyone in their place LMFAO...if putting someone in their place is you taking personal shots at people families is what you consider putting them in their place then I don't need to take personal shots at your family to beat you in debates
> Base Kawaki dodging delta beam is outlier he is comparable to Garou a Outer, and other Base characters like Base Boruto who is comparable to Cyborg Ao
Base Boruto is comparable to Sarada and Mitsuki
All of which are physically and speed wise comparable to Boro even without Karma activated
Sarada was fast enough to tag him with Chidori before the ladder could use a hand sign to move his core from getting damaged
Delta on other hand scales physically to a holding back SPSM Naruto who wasn’t using Kurama avatar, or large dc because kids are around, nor any clones, but he should still be above his the last bsm by extension of being in spsm which is a form superior to Kurama SM
Delta beams has the range and DC to completely destroy all of Boro, core and all, and also can counter Boro regen with said beams, and it will definitely tag him if Sarada can tag him before the ladder can even move his core.
Naruto The Last
Kishi and editor stated how they envisioned ending of Naruto before the last
Spsm and Tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke was already thought up as well
And they also talk about Hagoromo in the last and also show the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke in valley of end
Kishi gave them sketches for how Sasuke and Naruto are supposed to be and look for the last before the ending of Shippuden in manga
Momoshiki and Kinshiki
Both have better feats than their nerf in momo world
> Momo ate a chakra fruit from a entire planet that is already high tier feat if we take into account the allied shinobi was only around 40,000 or less and the planet momo was on probably absorbed thousands to millions of life sources of energy for tree to grow fruit. And the lore states chakra fruit are tremendous boost of energy / AP. Which compliments the fruit/s power since they don’t train.
> Momo already broke perfect Susanoo + Kurama Susanoo half of their head when it took SPSM Naruto + PS clash to break half of their body
> Momo and Kinshiki already have higher durability feats than what kages can physically throw at them
Momo and Kinshiki tank 8 tails multiplied explosion which shook earth and scales above kages can output
So momo n kin not one shotting ants is outlier
Kinshiki kept up with ice world Rinnegan Sasuke and his physical strength was Considered a threat to Sasuke
Momo and Kin are Unbalanced fighters Because they don’t train
They kind focus on one area
One is better at physicals and taijutsu
The other is better at raw power ninjutsu and range
But fused together they are a more complete fighter
Isshiki
Isshiki is stronger than Kaguya
He has the hype, statements, and feats
V2 Jigen can replicate Kaguya combat feats without having to use chakra fists
He broke perfect susanoo and plowed through SPSM head and clones
Kaguya needs chakra fists to smash Naruto clones and break perfect Susanoo head she never broke them without her mere hands and kicks
Nor was she able to physically knock Naruto out of SPSM Mode and just drain his energy
Isshiki is ranked higher than kaguya
Is stated to be superior
Stomped the duo better than Kaguya
The Duo
Naruto and Sasuke consistently are stated to be at strongest lv pre power lost
The cope and downplay continues
Otsutsuki don't Eat Stars they eat planets of chakra. This has been Stated over and over again in the story.
Secondly, Isshiki was not eating Planets after he got defeated by Kaguya.
Movie Novels are only Canon to the movie...The manga and Anime Retcon the movie and novel of Boruto the movie.
Momoshiki is only powerful when he has pills he is eating. We saw him eating pills and still got killed by Boruto.
You're really trying to wank the Boruto Version here using the novels which use flowery words hype events up.
Even Urashiki which is canon since Kishimoto created him and wanted him in the boruto movie was stated to be strong member of the Otsutsuki clan and could fight Adult Sasuke+Gaara at the same time was getting easily handled by Jiraiya.
You near to learn your Japanese Kanji Better Hoshi can be planet or Stars. Why would you translate it as Stars when the Manga verbatim stays Otsutsuki drain the life of planets not stars LMFAO.
You've truly been exposed here my friend.
The Author Stats he had to make Naruto and Sasuke weaker otherwise and that he didn't want to repeat what he did in Naruto.
Naruto still Has RSM...however, he only has the Base SPSM which would explain why the mark on his back is different than Before he is unable to use the Full power of SPSM any more like he did in the war he is only able to use Base SPSM+KCM2.
I still don't see how Obito is going to deal with Isshiki's speed and strength.
Regeneration Negg diff Strength.
why is that Naruto with his Inferior SPSM was able to keep up with Isshiki speed to the point he was able to grab him.
It's making more and More sense as I think about it because Cloak Being Different than SPSM Cloak.
This isn't SPSM cloak that is traditional With SPSM users.
What i'm thinking is Naruto Still has SPSM...However, he has the Base Version of SPSM That he u first used against JJ Madara.
^ This Explains the no-sage pigmentation and him still being able to use Younton-FRS.
It also pretty much explains why His cloaked Form looks so different Because it weaker because he isn't using the True SPSM Cloak form he just using the Base SPSM+KCM2.
It also fits with the narrative of Kurama is being written in boruto to be the bulk of his power up. we have Tons of Statements from Momoshiki"Such ridiculously enormous chakra" to "What a pity, fox. That you possess so much power..."
Both referring to Kurama's chakra Volume and power.
Obito has Sharingan so he can keep up with Isshiki and follow his movements.
@mygod000: because he didn't know where kawaki was. As soon as he could sense his location, he teleported him.
In this Battle, obito is just standing right in front of him, he's not hidden away in some some byakugan-proof bunker.
As for the sharingan stuff. Even with the sharingan, sasuke needed time to get used to spotting him and was still cought off gaurd multiple times by shrink attacks.
You made Zero Sense here with your first sentence.
I asked you why didn't Isshiki use Portal Teleport Kawaki to him. You rebuttal is he didn't know where He was...Well duh, That why I said why didn't he use the portal since you're implying he could use it to teleport Kawaki to him.
Isshiki used Naruto Chakra which was Connected to Kawaki chakra to teleport him to where he is at....
He did that Via The chakra Link from Naruto's chakra and Kawaki Hand He did that only while Touching Naruto.
How will any of that work in this battle? As i said if he could have Just Teleport people from any distance he would have just teleported Naruto in the mist of Battle.
Naruto Didn't need to get use to those Rods in Bayron Mode. He didn't even have Kinetic Vision and still was easily catching them.
You don't even need kinetic Vision if were being honest.
Borushiki was handling Isshiki Abilities just fine.
Byakugan, Sharingan, Rinne-Sharingan, and Rinnegan Can all See Isshiki and Jigen Rods Shrinking. As for him catching him off guard Good luck with that.
Even FTG was struggling to Catch him off guard. Obito also has the Ten tails which gives him power of Attrition over Isshiki since he has a planet worth of chakra+ far better Regeneration than Naruto has.
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