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@mattyboi said:
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Kaguya was caught off Guard. Naruto and Sasuke were on guard and still got knocked back.

you ignore the fact that Limbo can Tank TSB which erases you. Naruto isn't Zod, Nor is Madara. Naruto was getting knocked out by Kaguya I can send the scans of Kaguya soloing Naruto's clones with easy while naruto was theirs. Her power was weakened when Naruto Rip her arms off, Madara can do the same thing to Kaguya if she was spamming all those chakra attacks.

No... naruto literally punched her, they were in the air when they got hit back.

Naruto can kick away a TSB aswell. Never said they were zod, just giving an example of when knocking someone back doesnt mean you're above them. Naruto was literally concious the whole fight, dont think you know what being knocked out means. Naruto's clones are fodder to him, he can literally one shot his clones. Plus those clones were limbo level ones. Kaguya wasnt weakened at all. And madara cant do the same thing

We Saw 1 eyed Madara>Naruto&Sasuke.

2 eyed Madara 4x Stronger>1 eyed Madara>Naruto&Sasuke.

3 eyed Madara>2 eyed Madara 4x Stronger>1 eyed Madara>Naruto&sasuke.

Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke the power to fight Madara. Before that Madara without the Juubi Solo and killed Naruto and Sasuke the same Naruto and Sasuke that defeated Juubi Obito.

Nope, Kaguya wasn't even revived then. The first thing Naruto was thinking about was Hagoromo words about Madara surpassing him.

so, the full Ten tails rival Hagoromo powers.

it's a Mistranslation because of the Kajin.

in the scan, It says Daichi which translates to earth as in Ground.

The hell? 1 eyed madara got blitzed in half by sasuke..

2 eyed madara literally has the third eye from the god tree..

Your point? Also naruto and sasuke talk no jutsu'd obito to beat em.

How? Half of hagoromo's powers amp'd up naruto to the point where he could one shot juubidara while only using sage mode.

It literally says earth, as in the planet. Then again why would you think naruto is just ground level?

Nope, Kaguya can destroy her dimension which is star level.

Madara has planet level+ powers easily because he is above Hagoromo. by Scaling he is above Hagoromo as well since he can tank Naruto and Sasuke's Attack at the same time powers Given to them by Hagoromo.

Adult Naruto isn't above Hagoromo, there For he isn't planet level.

I already prove Momoshiki isn't above Kaguya, a Greater threat doesn't=More power.

Kages can fight Momoshiki.

Shikamaru can stop Momoshiki.

Yep, and she bathes in that attack, yet naruto can destroy her body.

Except hagoromo isnt planet level.

He is, he was able to destroy kaguya's body that could bathe in the ETSB with 0 damage. Plus hagoromo isnt planet level.

Yes it does, when kaguya has better hax than momoshiki.

Kages got one shotted you mean.

Shikamaru can surprise momoshiki you mean.

Your examples are bad ones.

yes, Naruto got one punched by the Limbo clones. not only that Naruto's shadow Clones got wrecked by the Limbo clones.

If they were Genjutsu by I.T they would still be standing there like everyone else was when they got hit by the Genjutsu then their chakra would have been absorbed for Kaguya to use. since it stated that while in I.T She can use all of the victim's Abilities. in other words, she should have been able to make clones of herself as well, and known about Naruto's "sexy" Jutsu that stuns her.

yes, The shadow clones got beat.

Madara let Sasuke do that since Cutting him in half did nothing in the first place.

He didn't have the 3 eyed Active then. Kakashi has his Sharingan on at all times, but you are not saying Kakashi with Sharingan equals Kakashi with Headband over his eyes are?

When Kakashi lifts the Headband he is more powerful than he is with it covered.

so, they still beat him, and Madara killed them after that. 1 eyed Madara no Juubi>>BSM Naruto>>EMS Sasuke.

he casually dodged Sasuke while Blind.

Okay, that was weakened 1 eyed Madara who was recovering from his fight with Guy.

Then after absorbing the God Tree, he went from getting almost one-shotted to be able to tank Both Naruto and Sasuke Attacks.

Limbo being powerful enough to Barehand Grab Naruto's TSB.

the Kaji says Earth as in the ground. If it was meaning Earth as in Globe is would have said Chikyu:

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Chikyu Equals Earth=Globe.

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Daichi=Earth as in Ground. there are two different meanings buddy, there is no denying it, buddy, Naruto isn't planet level.

Hagoromo is planet level while dying he can create a moon.

Hagoromo at his weakest can create a moon.

Hagoromo at his strongest is planet level.

Naruto at his best was multi-continental level this was Naruto from the last. Toneri was using Hamura's Tenseigan(which had been Gaining energy for centuries) to slam the moon into the earth. Toneri then Tried to use his His Tenseigan to move the Moon. which again equals Multi-Continental level of chakra.

when Toneri get defeated he then Absorbs Naruto's chakra+1000s Byakugan Chakra+Chakra from the Artificial sun Hamura created...and was going to one-shot the earth with that chakra. it stated that Toneri nearly died from doing that because it was too much chakra.

It's also implied that Toneri at his strongest<<Hamura.

Toneri at his strongest as was going to use the chakra he took from Naruto+1000 Byakugan+Hamura's Fake Sun to destroy the earth in one attack.

JJHagoromo>>Rinnegan Hagoromo=Tenseigan Hamura>>Toneri final attack>Earth.

the fact that Hagoromo is above Hamura in power, make him planet buster.

By scaling Madara is above Hagoromo.

Kaguya is more powerful than Momoshiki. Momoshiki did that after he fused before that he was running from the Kages. only Jigen is more powerful than Kaguya, Momoshiki is below her by a massive amount. Naruto in base can kill Momoshiki, and fight him not only that Naruto at half power can beat Momoshiki.

Momoshiki needed Rinnegan to absorb the Jutsu to break free.

They needed power given directly from Hagoromo to defeat 1 eyed Juubi Madara.

Hagoromo's Sealing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shikamaru's Jutsu>Momoshiki

Pain isn't planet level because he has no feats that or scaling that put him on there.

Madara has a feat that requires a planet level of chakra to do.

on top of that Scaling above Hagoromo and Hamura as well put him on those level.

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#2 Posted by MyGod000 (940 posts) - - Show Bio

it is confirmed by the Last that Toneri was going to use rebirth Chamber to survive the Moon getting slammed into the earth.

Raditz might just take this since people like Piccolo are able to casually Bust the Moon.

Master Roshi is able to destroy the moon when he is at full power.

That two confirmed Moon busters both are weaker than Raditz was by a massive amount.

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#3 Posted by MyGod000 (940 posts) - - Show Bio

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Nope, the Limbo clone was sealed as I proved already.

Also, your concept of the Shadow clones makes No sense at all. If Naruto's Clones were defeated by I.T then They would just be Trapped in the Dream like Everyone else, and have their chakra drained for the rest of their lives. Like I said they were not Trapped in the Dream, otherwise, they would have been stated. They were defeated by Madara's Limbo.

it proves they are greater because 1 punch had enough force to send them flying backward.

If someone punched you and that one punch sent you back flying it means they are greatly stronger than you are.

Nope, it 5. as I said the 5th one was sealed by Naruto. Kaguya was casually destroying Naruto.

Then it returned to madara.

They would pop from being caught in the I.T, they stalemated the limbo clones.

Sending a guy in the air flying isnt a good feat, let alone does it suggest you're above them, by this logic, naruto would be above kaguya.

It doesnt. Zod can send superman flying with a single punch but in the end zod got wrecked. Plus naruto can send kaguya flying with a single punch, so i guess naruto is far above kaguya?

Then returned to madara, and he made 4. Naruto is destroying kaguya's body.

just one Good punch destroyed Sasuke's PS. Naruto couldn't even do that to Sasuke while in his Kamura Avatar Mode.

Kaguya>Madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>naruto.

Nope Madara got 4x stronger.

I already proved that Hagoromo stated that Kaguya was stronger than him since he himself stated that she was more powerful than anyone.

Spreading the roots around the World Makes you planet level buddy. If just anyone can do it then why didn't they? Why didn't Hashirama spread his Deep forest Jutsu around the world? Because you can't he doesn't have the chakra to do so. you need planet+ level chakra to do this.

Naruto was holding back.

By the "sending people flying=you're automatically stronger than them" logic that you use

Naruto>>>>>>kaguya>>>>>madara

Well sure, kaguya is stronger than ghost form hagoromo.

Why WOULD hashirama spread his roots around the world? Being able to spread something around the world doesnt mean you can destroy a planet, makes no sense.

Naruto stated The I.T is greater than the Juubi, and Madara was only missing 50% of the 9 tails.

Kaguya in the past was The Juubi.

From the last Hagoromo states this about the Ten tails.

"Creating “ninshuu” after that, Hagoromo, who had become the Rikudou Sennin, became the ancestor of Earth’s shinobi. Hagoromo regarded the Juubi sealed in his abdomen as dangerous. That immeasurable power might bring catastrophe to the world. Creating the nine bijuu, he divided the Juubi’s chakra into nine and bestowed it upon the bijuu, attempting to disperse its power."

JJ Hagoromo>>Juubi powers>RinneganHagoromo>>>Hamura.

LMFAO, you didn't watch the War arc then. Hagoromo casually brought back the Previous Kages without even waving hand signs. Again he gave Naruto and Sasuke the Power to fight Madara.

He was referring to kaguya being revived.

Yeah i know he gave naruto and sasuke power.

Gave them his powers.

just because you die doesn't mean you lose your powers. Obito died and he still had Six paths power and gave it to Kakashi even those he lost that power.

Nope, they were referring the I.T chakra, Sasuke in the Upper Corner talks about the chakra Madara gained from I.T and Naruto said the Chakra was beyond the Ten tails.

so...again, like I said Naruto isn't planet level even if he was which he isn't because it's a mistranslation...it means Momoshiki isn't because Naruto at full power is above Momoshiki.

Kaguya>>Madara>>Hagoromo>>>Naruto and Sasuke.

Madara is more powerful than Hagoromo.

Momoshiki has no planet level feats.

He didnt keep the ten tails tho, he split it into the 9 bijuu.

Can you prove it's a mistranslation? Also naruto rips off kaguya's limbs who can bathe in her solar system level ETSB. So naruto scales to it. You ignore this too, since you have no way to debunk it.

I mean by outright feats no one in naruto is planet level, you gotta use scaling and statements buddy, not headcanon.

Kaguya was caught off Guard. Naruto and Sasuke were on guard and still got knocked back.

you ignore the fact that Limbo can Tank TSB which erases you. Naruto isn't Zod, Nor is Madara. Naruto was getting knocked out by Kaguya I can send the scans of Kaguya soloing Naruto's clones with easy while naruto was theirs. Her power was weakened when Naruto Rip her arms off, Madara can do the same thing to Kaguya if she was spamming all those chakra attacks.

We Saw 1 eyed Madara>Naruto&Sasuke.

2 eyed Madara 4x Stronger>1 eyed Madara>Naruto&Sasuke.

3 eyed Madara>2 eyed Madara 4x Stronger>1 eyed Madara>Naruto&sasuke.

Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke the power to fight Madara. Before that Madara without the Juubi Solo and killed Naruto and Sasuke the same Naruto and Sasuke that defeated Juubi Obito.

Nope, Kaguya wasn't even revived then. The first thing Naruto was thinking about was Hagoromo words about Madara surpassing him.

so, the full Ten tails rival Hagoromo powers.

it's a Mistranslation because of the Kajin.

in the scan, It says Daichi which translates to earth as in Ground.

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Nope, Kaguya can destroy her dimension which is star level.

Madara has planet level+ powers easily because he is above Hagoromo. by Scaling he is above Hagoromo as well since he can tank Naruto and Sasuke's Attack at the same time powers Given to them by Hagoromo.

Adult Naruto isn't above Hagoromo, there For he isn't planet level.

I already prove Momoshiki isn't above Kaguya, a Greater threat doesn't=More power.

Kages can fight Momoshiki.

Shikamaru can stop Momoshiki.

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I proved all of my claims. You haven't yet proved anything.

Naruto sealed that other Limbo clones with the TSB Rods.

You proved nothing. I could make a list of what you didnt prove.

Then Madara created 4 more. so in all, he had 5.

That limbo returned to his body, then he made 4.

one limbo Strike is enough to send Naruto and Sasuke flying back with a single punch.

That clearly shows they are above the Real Versions of Naruto and Sasuke if one punch sends them flying.

How does sending someone in the air you're flying prove you're above them. And going by this logic naruto sent kaguya flying back, therefore by your logic: Naruto>kaguya>>>>madara.

Also naruto's shadow clones that are fodder to him can stalemate the limbos. So your whole argument about the limbos falls apart from that fact alone, whether you accept it or not: the limbo clones=naruto's shadow clones, and i wont be repeating myself till you can prove otherwise without calling "inconsistency" or "bs" or whatever.

has, 5 limbo clones in all the 4 you see next to him and the one that Naruto and his clone sealed.

Also, After Look in another thread, someone Showed me from another site that Adult Naruto at full power using TBB is planet level. which Means You lost in here. You whole Argument was that Momoshiki was planet level...which isn't possible since we both agreed that Momoshiki is weaker than Full power Naruto.

While Madara is above Hagoromo who is planet level. Not only that, him spreading the Shinjuu Roots across the planet is planet level.

His limit is 4 limbo clones.

It's far above it actually. Since naruto can rip off limbs and destroy kaguya's body who can bathe in her ETSB thats solar system level. So yes, naruto scales to kaguya's ETSB, thats far above anything

How is him spreading some random roots make him planet level? Just gives him planet level range i suppose. Also hagoromo isnt planet level. Moon level AT BEST.

Nope, it doesn't work like that. Again if there was no comparison Kishimoto wouldn't have made Hago say that statement in the first place.

Juubi Madara is comparable to Hagoromo.

If we go by your fanfic logic, then Sharingan doesn't increase your power or strength when we know that is false logic.

Nope, Tobirama already stated that Sharingan increases Both physical Strength and Visual prowess. Rinnegan is the upgraded version of the Sharingan. it's been stated both eyes are needed to show the eyes full power and potential.

The comparison is that he was getting near hagoromo.

Not at all, just getting near him.

When did i say that?

Madara got 4x stronger after getting both of his eyes.

So, if Madara with Juubi is comparable to Hagoromo then God tree Absorbed Madara+Double Rinnegan surpasses him since he got 4x stronger and more powerful.

Nope, it doesn't work like that. Obito even those he was no longer had Six path Chakra still was enough to put Kakashi powerful enough to attack Kaguya.

Hagoromo still has the Juubi Chakra, otherwise, he wouldn't have the Truth-Seeking balls. 4th ninja war Hagoromo is more powerful than Base Rinnegan Hagoromo+Hamura Combined. because he did a feat which required both him and his brother by his self.

Clearly proving that he is more powerful than he was back then.

His rinnegan abilities increased by 4x. Madara himself would be about 2x stronger.

Headcanon when hes far weaker than kaguya yet hagoromo is comparable to her

I know.

Why would he have juubi chakra? Hagoromo just has them.

Hagoromo literally did no feats in the war arc.

How?

Yes, both of them was needed.

Naruto Stated that both of them was going to defeat Madara. Hagoromo was considered about 1 eyed Madara.

they couldn't beat Madara by themselves as shown, they needed to seal him to defeat him.

He stills Has Chakra from the Juubi, as he still has 9 Truth-seeking balls.

He never did. And you mean that same madara that got one shotted by sage mode naruto?

They could've, naruto rips him in half GG. Naruto does the rasenshurikens he did on kaguya GG.

Theres literally no way he has juubi chakra since he split it all into the 9 tail beasts.

Stated the I.T Chakra is more than the Juubi.

Juubi Was only missing 50% of the 9 tails chakra. Modern Kaguya>Kaguya in the past that fought Hagoromo&hamura.

It doesn't matter what you say because Facts and canon>>>>>>your fanfic.

Even if you want to accept that 100% Naruto at full power is planet level, Momoshiki isn't because he is weaker than 50% Naruto and you said 100% Naruto is more powerful than Momoshiki, therefore, he can't be Planet level.

Madara scales above Hagoromo who is planet level.

4th Ninja War Kaguya>Ancient Kaguya 1000 years ago>3 eyed Madara>>Hagoromo=Planet level=Full power Kamura TBB Adult Naruto>50%Adult Naruto>>Momoshiki.

People are saying that Naruto bit about him being able to destroy the earth is a mistranslation.

Naruto was referring to kaguya being revived not the I.T chakra.

Uhh cool.

You mean the headcanon you've used this whole debate? Or simply ignoring the facts brought up to you.

50% Naruto(which would be the one in the war) would be solar system level, since he rips off kaguya's limbs and destroyed nearly her whole body with the rasenshurikens, same kaguya who can bathe in a solar system level ETSB. Even if he was only planet level then madara(who is far weaker than him) wouldnt be planet level, nor would kaguya be with the ETSB, which we know isnt true. Tho i dont see any planet level feats for madara.

Hagoromo isnt planet level and madara doesnt scale to prime ten tails JJ hagoromo that is the closest to planet level.

Simply because naruto is lowballed on this site.

Nope, the Limbo clone was sealed as I proved already.

Also, your concept of the Shadow clones makes No sense at all. If Naruto's Clones were defeated by I.T then They would just be Trapped in the Dream like Everyone else, and have their chakra drained for the rest of their lives. Like I said they were not Trapped in the Dream, otherwise, they would have been stated. They were defeated by Madara's Limbo.

it proves they are greater because 1 punch had enough force to send them flying backward.

If someone punched you and that one punch sent you back flying it means they are greatly stronger than you are.

Nope, it 5. as I said the 5th one was sealed by Naruto. Kaguya was casually destroying Naruto.

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just one Good punch destroyed Sasuke's PS. Naruto couldn't even do that to Sasuke while in his Kamura Avatar Mode.

Kaguya>Madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>naruto.

Nope Madara got 4x stronger.

I already proved that Hagoromo stated that Kaguya was stronger than him since he himself stated that she was more powerful than anyone.

Spreading the roots around the World Makes you planet level buddy. If just anyone can do it then why didn't they? Why didn't Hashirama spread his Deep forest Jutsu around the world? Because you can't he doesn't have the chakra to do so. you need planet+ level chakra to do this.

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Kaguya in the past>JJ Hagoromo.

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Naruto stated The I.T is greater than the Juubi, and Madara was only missing 50% of the 9 tails.

Kaguya in the past was The Juubi.

From the last Hagoromo states this about the Ten tails.

"Creating “ninshuu” after that, Hagoromo, who had become the Rikudou Sennin, became the ancestor of Earth’s shinobi. Hagoromo regarded the Juubi sealed in his abdomen as dangerous. That immeasurable power might bring catastrophe to the world. Creating the nine bijuu, he divided the Juubi’s chakra into nine and bestowed it upon the bijuu, attempting to disperse its power."

JJ Hagoromo>>Juubi powers>RinneganHagoromo>>>Hamura.

LMFAO, you didn't watch the War arc then. Hagoromo casually brought back the Previous Kages without even waving hand signs. Again he gave Naruto and Sasuke the Power to fight Madara.

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Gave them his powers.

just because you die doesn't mean you lose your powers. Obito died and he still had Six paths power and gave it to Kakashi even those he lost that power.

Nope, they were referring the I.T chakra, Sasuke in the Upper Corner talks about the chakra Madara gained from I.T and Naruto said the Chakra was beyond the Ten tails.

so...again, like I said Naruto isn't planet level even if he was which he isn't because it's a mistranslation...it means Momoshiki isn't because Naruto at full power is above Momoshiki.

Kaguya>>Madara>>Hagoromo>>>Naruto and Sasuke.

Madara is more powerful than Hagoromo.

Momoshiki has no planet level feats.

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@revold: nah it means earth your just another Naruto hater. https://imgur.com/a/tOI0Qdu

He is actually stating a fact. I just looked it up, and if it says "Daichi" then it is just talking about Solid ground.

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Chikyuu is Earth as in globe. unfortunately, what you showed isn't proof that Naruto is planet level at all. However, it was a good attempt.

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@mattyboi said:
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I asked you to Cite the Chapter where Sasuke made these statements. you haven't don't that.

concession accepted on that since you can't prove that.

I posted it to you #463 Naruto and his clones Sealed the 5th one. once, Madara got his other eye ha gained 4 more Limbo clones which equal 5 in all counting the one that was sealed.

you weren't paying attention like usual. Madara has 5 limbo clones in all. it doesn't matter what doesn't make sense to you, what matter is what is factually stated.

Madara got 4x stronger after getting his both his eyes.

If not being able to prove something is conceding, then your whole argument is a concession. Anyways for the scan sasuke was talking about kaguya.

Naruto and his clones never sealed a limbo... madara's limit was 4 after the second rinnegan.

Madara actually had 4 limbo clones.

No, that scaling is wrong, madara's overall power didnt get 4x stronger, just his rinnegan ability.

Hagoromo's statements put 1 eyed Madara with the Juubi near his level.

So, God tree Madara=equals Hagoromo.

2 eyed Madara surpasses him because he got 4x more powerful after getting both eyes.

Getting near something isnt the same as being near something.

Headcanon, when pre god tree madara was only getting close to that level. Hagoromo would still be above it, Plus this is ghost hagoromo.

His rinnegan abilities/capabilities increased by 4x, not his overall strength.

I never said Naruto was fatigued, I said Sasuke was because he was storing chakra. this facts because Naruto has more chakra than Sasuke has.

it still doesn't change that fact that Naruto and Sasuke both were needed to fight Madara.

Yes, Hagoromo is stronger than his base Rinnegan+Hamura power combined.

He has Both Light and Shadow Style, when before he only had Light style while his brother had Shadow Style.

After he became the Juubi his power was massively stronger than his brother.

Hamura at the end of his life only Equaled Rinnegan Hagoromo. He did that after he gained Tenseigan which is stated to equal the Rinnegan.

both Dojutsu is stated to have the power to destroy the world.

Madara Surpassed JJ Hagoromo, the Kaguya in the 4th Ninja war is stronger and more powerful than the Kaguya that Hagoromo and Hamura fought.

Not only that, Kaguya was only missing 50% of the 9 tails.

I.T Chakra that was used to Make Kaguya is stated to be more powerful than the Juubi itself.

4th Ninja War Kaguya>Kaguya in the Past>3 eyed Madara>>jj Hagoromo>>Base Rinnegan Hagoromo=Tenseigan Hamura.

Sasuke wasnt fatigued...

Naruto and sasuke weren't both "needed", they were just there and he was their enemy. I've already proved how naruto is above him, and current sasuke scales to a stronger naruto than the one that's above madara.

How? That literally makes no sense.

Him having mastered both chakra natures doesnt prove hes stronger than him and his brother, again makes no sense.

I dont disagree, but ghost form hagoromo no longer has the juubi.

When was the I.T chakra stated above the juubi? I've been asking you for the scan for the last few posts now, yet you failed to show it, so this point will no longer be valid till you can show the scan.

The rinnegan being stated to be able to destroy the world means nothing, unless you're trying to say Pain is a planet buster.

You still havent proved how madara is above ten tails JJ hagoromo, a wanked madara would only be above the ghost form hagoromo.

I proved all of my claims. You haven't yet proved anything.

Naruto sealed that other Limbo clones with the TSB Rods.

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Then Madara created 4 more. so in all, he had 5.

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one limbo Strike is enough to send Naruto and Sasuke flying back with a single punch.

That clearly shows they are above the Real Versions of Naruto and Sasuke if one punch sends them flying.

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has, 5 limbo clones in all the 4 you see next to him and the one that Naruto and his clone sealed.

Also, After Look in another thread, someone Showed me from another site that Adult Naruto at full power using TBB is planet level. which Means You lost in here. You whole Argument was that Momoshiki was planet level...which isn't possible since we both agreed that Momoshiki is weaker than Full power Naruto.

While Madara is above Hagoromo who is planet level. Not only that, him spreading the Shinjuu Roots across the planet is planet level.

Getting near something isnt the same as being near something.

Headcanon, when pre god tree madara was only getting close to that level. Hagoromo would still be above it, Plus this is ghost hagoromo.

His rinnegan abilities/capabilities increased by 4x, not his overall strength.

Nope, it doesn't work like that. Again if there was no comparison Kishimoto wouldn't have made Hago say that statement in the first place.

Juubi Madara is comparable to Hagoromo.

If we go by your fanfic logic, then Sharingan doesn't increase your power or strength when we know that is false logic.

Nope, Tobirama already stated that Sharingan increases Both physical Strength and Visual prowess. Rinnegan is the upgraded version of the Sharingan. it's been stated both eyes are needed to show the eyes full power and potential.

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taps into her Heart, Rapidly increasing his or her Strength..Alone with the power of their hate.

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stated by Madara only with both eyes can Sharingan's true power be unleashed.

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Stated Eyes show their True power when both of them are Together.

Madara got 4x stronger after getting both of his eyes.

So, if Madara with Juubi is comparable to Hagoromo then God tree Absorbed Madara+Double Rinnegan surpasses him since he got 4x stronger and more powerful.

Nope, it doesn't work like that. Obito even those he was no longer had Six path Chakra still was enough to put Kakashi powerful enough to attack Kaguya.

Hagoromo still has the Juubi Chakra, otherwise, he wouldn't have the Truth-Seeking balls. 4th ninja war Hagoromo is more powerful than Base Rinnegan Hagoromo+Hamura Combined. because he did a feat which required both him and his brother by his self.

Clearly proving that he is more powerful than he was back then.

Sasuke wasnt fatigued...

Naruto and sasuke weren't both "needed", they were just there and he was their enemy. I've already proved how naruto is above him, and current sasuke scales to a stronger naruto than the one that's above madara.

How? That literally makes no sense.

Him having mastered both chakra natures doesnt prove hes stronger than him and his brother, again makes no sense.

I dont disagree, but ghost form hagoromo no longer has the juubi.

When was the I.T chakra stated above the juubi? I've been asking you for the scan for the last few posts now, yet you failed to show it, so this point will no longer be valid till you can show the scan.

The rinnegan being stated to be able to destroy the world means nothing, unless you're trying to say Pain is a planet buster.

You still havent proved how madara is above ten tails JJ hagoromo, a wanked madara would only be above the ghost form hagoromo.

Yes, both of them was needed.

Naruto Stated that both of them was going to defeat Madara. Hagoromo was considered about 1 eyed Madara.

they couldn't beat Madara by themselves as shown, they needed to seal him to defeat him.

He stills Has Chakra from the Juubi, as he still has 9 Truth-seeking balls.

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As you see from Hagoromo own memory of the fight of Kaguya, he only had truth Seeking Staff along with his bother.

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He is far more powerful than he and his brother was back then.

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Stated the I.T Chakra is more than the Juubi.

Juubi Was only missing 50% of the 9 tails chakra. Modern Kaguya>Kaguya in the past that fought Hagoromo&hamura.

It doesn't matter what you say because Facts and canon>>>>>>your fanfic.

Even if you want to accept that 100% Naruto at full power is planet level, Momoshiki isn't because he is weaker than 50% Naruto and you said 100% Naruto is more powerful than Momoshiki, therefore, he can't be Planet level.

Madara scales above Hagoromo who is planet level.

4th Ninja War Kaguya>Ancient Kaguya 1000 years ago>3 eyed Madara>>Hagoromo=Planet level=Full power Kamura TBB Adult Naruto>50%Adult Naruto>>Momoshiki.

People are saying that Naruto bit about him being able to destroy the earth is a mistranslation.

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#7 Edited by MyGod000 (940 posts) - - Show Bio

@zuriel-el said:

@MyGod000: you're a madara fan who doesn't know when to quit, i already debunked you.

You never debunked me.

the fact that Madara is above Hagoromo puts him at planet level.

Again as I tell people if there was no comparison why Kishi made Hago say that statement in the first place? it clear as day that Madara, when he absorbed the Juubi, was comparable to Hagoromo. Then when he absorbed the God Tree and everything else he surpassed Hagoromo.

Hagoromo is planet level. Therefore Madara is planet level.

Not only that, Madara spreading the Shinjuu Roots across the planet is planet level.

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#8 Edited by MyGod000 (940 posts) - - Show Bio

@revold said:
@mygod000 said:

But I understand. This is Literally How I see it.

Kaguya>3eyed Madara>Hagoromo.

We can come to an agreement that Madara 1 eyed Madara didn't surpass Hagoromo But I think after he gained his 2nd eye He most Definitely surpassed Hagoromo.

Also, Hagoromo admitted that Kaguya was stronger than him. so Kaguya is still top of the God tier.

Madara might be speculating about base Hagoromo, because JJ Hagoromo has everything 2 Rinnegan Madara has but better like half Kyuubi, Rinnegan being Kekkei Mora, Sage Mode being SPSM (and Six Paths Yang Power but with reasonable doubt).

But for 3 eye, if you consider the chakra in IT, then I agree with you Madara's greater. Problem is that he never really showed to absorb any of it by his own will, and the last time he absorbed he couldn't control it either. Yes maybe he does have access to the chakra, but the strongest version I'm taking is 3 eye Madara before he cast IT (after casting IT, his Rinne Sharingan drop from 9 tomoe to 6).

he couldn't control it because Zetsu stabbed him and was overpowering his Will to Control the Ten tails.

Like I was saying when Madara was "dying" the first thing Naruto Remember was what Hagoromo stated that Madara used the Juubi and Got close to him. It headcanon to say that Hagoromo was talking about his base Self. Even you admitted that NUNS4 When Madara stated he surpassed the sage of six paths. He never said base Sage of six paths he said him in general. So, my question is why are you assuming that it's Base Hagoromo? When it pretty much clear that he was talking about just the Sage of six paths in general? Madara knows all about Kaguya, and Hagoromo.

Madara was only missing 50% of the 9 tails to complete the Juubi. Hagoromo even stated Kaguya was more powerful he was. He never once stated that he surpassed his mother so saying Hagoromo>Kaguya is headcanon.

I'm not saying that you said this, I'm just speaking in general because people in the thread are making these reaching claims when the Sage of Six paths himself has made it clear that no one is more powerful his mother is.

the Only Kaguya he knew was the one in the past.

at first, I thought Madara Surpassed Kaguya in the past...but now, Not so much. Kaguya was only missing 50% of the 9 tails to be completed. which is now irrelevant because it was stated by Naruto that the I.T Chakra is greater than Juubi itself.

With that, We have Confirmation that Kaguya was not only the Juubi but the God Tree as well. with that, my scaling is like this right now.

4th Ninja War Rabbit God Kaguya>Base 4th Ninja War Kaguya>I.T Kaguya in the past>3 eyed Madara>>JJ Hagoromo>>Naruto>=Sasuke.

The difference in power isn't astronomically greater as people think it is, Hagoromo was still able to fight Kaguya in the past even without the Juubi. Even Hamura was able to fight Her as well and we know he didn't equal Hagoromo until he gained Tenseigan which was his answer to Hagoromo having Rinnegan.

it's stated that Tenseigan=Rinnegan. so from that Tenseigan Hamura=Rinnegan Hagoromo.

Naruto was able to somewhat Fight Kaguya even after being stronger than she past self because she wanted his chakra. However, when she got serious, she started one-shotting Naruto's Clones left and right, and was only being getting bested because it was stated that she was using an immense amount of chakra when she changes Dimensions.

Madara also has a one-shot Kill move in the form of Light fang. had that Move hit it's marked, Naruto would have died.

I'm Sure Madara wouldn't sit their Spamming change Dimensions like Kaguya was doing when it takes up a lot of chakra.

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#9 Posted by MyGod000 (940 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyGod000: enough of your nonsense, you didn't even have the stones to tag me, because you know what you're saying is nonsense.

Okay, did know you wanted to be Tag.

Like I said if you want to debunk them go ahead, but the fact is facts Madara surpassed Hagoromo.

Who even on his death bed can make a moon, not only that it even stated that Rinnegan and Tenseigan have the power to destroy the earth.

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#10 Posted by MyGod000 (940 posts) - - Show Bio

@mattyboi:

Also, Wanted to say GG on the "Limbo=Naruto shadow clone" Argument as well.

Statements from Obito himself proves that the shadow clones are not all that powerful.

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Stated that Naruto's chakra with clones isn't enough to help. Yet Sakura's Hyakugou chakra is.

Sakura chakra>Naruto's Shadow clones chakra.

Which was exactly what I Kept telling you that Naruto splits his chakra with his clones when he makes them.

It's stated that Madara's Limbo clones are around his level. So, No Naruto's clone doesn't equal Madara's Limbo clones when Sakura has more chakra then they do.