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An Explanation of Post-Crisis Darkseid

First off the reason I'm making this is to explain all the out of context and low showings people have been using to downplay post-crisis Darkseid because I have grown tired of people calling him Jobberseid and discrediting him. 
 
I'll start off by explaining the context behind these two scans.

 

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Now, when you just look at these scans it appears that Batman kicked Darkseid and made him bleed and that Superman can take him down in a few punches. But when you establish the context, you see that he was in a really weakened state at the time and here are scans to prove that he was weakened because the omega force, the source of his powers, had been lost to the source wall.
 
 

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Next, here are two instances of massive PIS from Superman vs Darkseid: Apokolips Now!

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From the first instance, Superman deflected the omega beams with his heat vision and in the second he made Darkseid hit himself with his beams. Both instances are massive PIS. Why? The first instance is PIS because the beams can move through matter or energy so they should have been able to just pass through his heat vision and the second one is PIS because Darkseid has complete control over the beams and they go where he wants them to and if they are aiming for a target which he does not want to hit, he can either make them go through the object or go around it.  So hitting himself with his own beams is just bad writing.
 
Now, here's an instance in which it appears that Superman beat Darkseid around.


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When you look at this scan, it appears that Superman defeated Darkseid. In actuality, he did not defeat Darkseid - he beat Desaad. Many of you would be confused as to how that could possibly be Desaad and the answer to that is Desaad is cunning and many times he tries to act as Darkseid behind his back and here is proof of that.
 

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 As you can clearly see, Desaad has tried to act like Darkseid behind his back before. And here is a scan which shows many instances in which Darkseid appeared but were really just Desaad disguised as Darkseid. You can see one of those instances is that moment where Superman fought Darkseid. Keep in mind that this instance and the one above are from the late 1980s. You can also see another instance in which he encountered Dr. Fate which also appeared in the late 1980s. This shows several appearances of Darkseid that were really just Desaad disguised as Darkseid.
 

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 And lastly, I will go over this scan of Hunter Prey Doomsday defeating Darkseid.
 
 
 


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Now, from the looks of it, it seems that Doomsday beat Darkseid. In truth, that was just an avatar of Darkseid. Now, I would show scans or give an issue number but I actually don't know when it was revealed to just be an avatar - I've only heard that it is from other people. But I will establish proof that Darkseid does have avatars.
 

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As I said before, the purpose of this is to show everyone that Post-Crisis Darkseid is NOT a jobber and that all of those low showings are out of context or are just bad writing. I hope this helps people understand Post-Crisis Darkseid a little better. I also hope people can use this as a reference to show to anyone who is trying to downplay post-crisis Darkseid.
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Very good show, sadly I think most people will ignore it. But you did at least prove you point perfectly.
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@Shadow Swordsman said:
" Very good show, sadly I think most people will ignore it. But you did at least prove you point perfectly. "
Thanks. I have a feeling a lot of people will ignore it, but I'm hoping some will look at it and may share it with others.
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I'll probably link it if I see the word "Jobberseid"
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Very nice job.

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@ComicMan24 said:
" Very nice job. "
Thanks.
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Solid effort
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The avatar explanation is very complicated,in mark evaniers new gods(late 1980's) yuga khan appeared and overthrew darkseid,uxas then asked orion to kill him near the source wall because according to him that was the only way to defeat yuga. yuga offed himself and both darkseid and orion returned to their homes,later in john byrnes new gods(mid 1990's) it was revealed or retconned(depends on how you look at it)  that orion had indeed killed his father ,out of darkseids own consent allowing darkseids soul to breach the source and corrupt it.so basically all darkseid appearences from 1989-1996 were avatars or dessad in disguise.

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@entropy_aegis said:
" The avatar explanation is very complicated,in mark evaniers new gods(late 1980's) yuga khan appeared and overthrew darkseid,uxas then asked orion to kill him near the source wall because according to him that was the only way to defeat yuga. yuga offed himself and both darkseid and orion returned to their homes,later in john byrnes new gods(mid 1990's) it was revealed or retconned(depends on how you look at it)  that orion had indeed killed his father ,out of darkseids own consent allowing darkseids soul to breach the source and corrupt it.so basically all darkseid appearences from 1989-1996 were avatars or dessad in disguise. "
Yeah, I personally thought that whole "New Gods can't kill parents" thing was kind of stupid. First off, Darkseid does all sorts of horrible things anyway but it would somehow be too lowly for him to commit patricide and another thing which one of my friends brought up is how Darkseid was completely powerless to even do anything to Yuga Khan while Orion had been able to attack Darkseid but couldn't kill him. I think Orion is the only New God who can kill his father because he was destined to kill Darkseid otherwise he wouldn't have been able to. But yeah, I agree that it was pretty out of sync when Darkseid allowed him to kill him when it had been established that he couldn't kill him a few years ago. It's a big mess if you ask me.
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@MrDirector786:
It was disappointing to say the least ,they go through all the effort to give us a story on darkseids dad and then they bungle it,well we can put the past behind us and expect grant morrison to do them justice,his new gods are actually written like gods. 
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Well said. 

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@Silver2467 said:
" Well said.  "
Thanks.
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Wow! what's funny was that while i was reading those scans, i was going to ask you if you thought Darkseid not only losing to Doomsday but surviving his O.B. was PIS(or some other reason), only to find that exact scan there. very good job pointing out that case of PIS where Superman steers the Omega Beams into Darkseid. i didn't remember that they could pass through his heat vision, but i did ask myself how Superman was able to steer the beams into him when Darkseid is the one that controls their direction and where they go. great scans, i had no idea about this info on Darkseid.(especially the avatars) i have a question: could(or should) Superman(or others in his strength and durability set) truly withstand the Omega Beams without it being PIS? it may be a stupid question considering what i just saw, but i would really be interested in your thoughts on this.
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You're actually wrong in the 3rd scan, that cannot be Desaad. I examined the situation and Desaad was send to Skarlatis by Darkseid himself at the time that happened. So, Superman truly was smacking around Darkseid there.
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@___Living_Tribunal_22__ said:

You're actually wrong in the 3rd scan, that cannot be Desaad. I examined the situation and Desaad was send to Skarlatis by Darkseid himself at the time that happened. So, Superman truly was smacking around Darkseid there.

Yeah, I checked and realized that it wasn't Desaad. However, I still wouldn't consider it an entirely legit victory. First, Darkseid already was hurt by his own omega beams. In that same story, Darkseid made the beams phase through Superman's coat and were going around people to avoid hitting them but for some reason, didn't make them phase through himself or go around him to avoid him so hitting himself seemed like bad writing. And then, he said himself that the omega force was spent. So he seemed a little weakened and there was some bad writing in that instance.

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Its not PIS.

The reason Superman can fight Darkseid, because highfather powered him up. So that darkseid won't kill superman.

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