Spiderman vs Firelord. He beat Firelord, a herald of Galactus with his Symbiote suit. It's bad writing and doesn't make Spider Man stronger than FireLord.
"erm.....do you guys believe that Goku could blow up the sun?"
Well lets use a little logic here... if Master Roshi was able to destroy the Moon using the Kamehameha Wave during the Bragon Ball series when everyone was significantly weaker... and Frieza was able to destroy a planet near the size of Earth ( planet Vegeta ) with ease during the Bardock series when Goku wasnt even born... and given the fact that Goku does become vastly stronger than Frieza during the DBZ series... Hmmm. YES I think Goku could blow up the Sun..."
Master Roshi's feat was inconsistent with his power at the time. SMVFL
"Err....actually he is smart. He is a genius when it comes to fighting. And has a great insight on peoples personalities. And your making a comment of how he should fight....when he knows Tien since child hood. "
Genius? He stands by attacks ans lets them hit him. He's no genius. He knows how to fight, but doesn't use tactics like he used to in Dragonball.
No, how he would fight. Goku is not a dirty fighter.
Fast forward to 2:25, he has the time to move..but doesn't. According to everyone he is light speed, yet, he can't evade a blast that it not even fired yet, and placed next to his stomach.
"
You do realize they have high tolerance to energy attacks right? Also, if you go watch dragon ball, it is much better at seeing what goku could do wtihout all that energy attacks. This is all based on martial arts until energy attacks came to be later on in dbz. I don't have to prove anything to you because it's already laid out for everyone to see. IF you don't feel like looking at it and are too blind to see, thats not my problem. "
Exactly. Goku no longer sues the techniques he did in DB. DB was based on MArtial Arts, DBZ is just alot of Energy blasts and ridiculous and inconsistent feats.
I never said to prove anything to you. Blind? What are you talking about?
I'm asking you a question, where would you say Goku stands in the DC power chart? Whom would you place him next to?"
I can't specifically answer that question because we do not have any real facts about there true extent of there abilities. how many tones of warheads does it take to destroy a moon? How fast do you think it takes to travel from earth to the moon? the fact that Master Roshy used a kamahamaha and destroyed the moon in a matter of seconds....the fact that the beam it self reached the moon in a matter of seconds when even the earths atmosphere didn't even slow it down....these energy attacks much stronger then people think. And look at the speeds from the Sayan saga. They disappear when they fought, moving at such high speeds that the only way to see them is through energy sensing. And later through out dbz, the feats slowed down for US, the audience to see."
Roshi moon feat is basically smvfl feat. Nothing before or after proves that Roshi had the power to do so. It's a feat that came out of nowhere. It takes light about 1 second, or more. I'm not sure to reach the moon. Let's look at the feats from the Majin Buu saga or forward. That's when they are strongest. The feats were later downgraded. "
Stop denying it. It happened. To deny something or disregard it basically means you have nothing else to counter that. And i'm not looking at the feats done in buu saga. Why should i? i placed something what Master Roshi did in dragon ball, before dbz and you disregard it. "
It's been proven that feats Roshi has accomplished before and after this feat do not match up to the moon feat. Would you place Spiderman over Firelord in the Marvel verse?
Becasue the characters are at their peak. These feats should be more advanced should they not? I'm doing you a favor, so do it."
Because after doing that feat, Master Roshi didn't do much of anything else. And what favor is that? the fact that you are wrong? the fact that they had to seriously downgrade show through out later in the dbz? Dbz is full of contradictions and loop holes. DC and Marvel is the same. "
My favor was in good taste. I did not now that you thought of DBZ in that way. DBZ is full of contradictions, I agree. The fact that I am wrong is a favor? How does that make sense?
"Err....actually he is smart. He is a genius when it comes to fighting. And has a great insight on peoples personalities. And your making a comment of how he should fight....when he knows Tien since child hood. "
Genius? He stands by attacks ans lets them hit him. He's no genius. He knows how to fight, but doesn't use tactics like he used to in Dragonball.
No, how he would fight. Goku is not a dirty fighter.
Fast forward to 2:25, he has the time to move..but doesn't. According to everyone he is light speed, yet, he can't evade a blast that it not even fired yet, and placed next to his stomach.
"
You do realize they have high tolerance to energy attacks right? Also, if you go watch dragon ball, it is much better at seeing what goku could do wtihout all that energy attacks. This is all based on martial arts until energy attacks came to be later on in dbz. I don't have to prove anything to you because it's already laid out for everyone to see. IF you don't feel like looking at it and are too blind to see, thats not my problem. "
Exactly. Goku no longer sues the techniques he did in DB. DB was based on MArtial Arts, DBZ is just alot of Energy blasts and ridiculous and inconsistent feats.
I never said to prove anything to you. Blind? What are you talking about?
I'm asking you a question, where would you say Goku stands in the DC power chart? Whom would you place him next to?"
I can't specifically answer that question because we do not have any real facts about there true extent of there abilities. how many tones of warheads does it take to destroy a moon? How fast do you think it takes to travel from earth to the moon? the fact that Master Roshy used a kamahamaha and destroyed the moon in a matter of seconds....the fact that the beam it self reached the moon in a matter of seconds when even the earths atmosphere didn't even slow it down....these energy attacks much stronger then people think. And look at the speeds from the Sayan saga. They disappear when they fought, moving at such high speeds that the only way to see them is through energy sensing. And later through out dbz, the feats slowed down for US, the audience to see."
Roshi moon feat is basically smvfl feat. Nothing before or after proves that Roshi had the power to do so. It's a feat that came out of nowhere. It takes light about 1 second, or more. I'm not sure to reach the moon. Let's look at the feats from the Majin Buu saga or forward. That's when they are strongest. The feats were later downgraded. "
Stop denying it. It happened. To deny something or disregard it basically means you have nothing else to counter that. And i'm not looking at the feats done in buu saga. Why should i? i placed something what Master Roshi did in dragon ball, before dbz and you disregard it. "
It's been proven that feats Roshi has accomplished before and after this feat do not match up to the moon feat. Would you place Spiderman over Firelord in the Marvel verse?
Becasue the characters are at their peak. These feats should be more advanced should they not? I'm doing you a favor, so do it.
"Err....actually he is smart. He is a genius when it comes to fighting. And has a great insight on peoples personalities. And your making a comment of how he should fight....when he knows Tien since child hood. "
Genius? He stands by attacks ans lets them hit him. He's no genius. He knows how to fight, but doesn't use tactics like he used to in Dragonball.
No, how he would fight. Goku is not a dirty fighter.
Fast forward to 2:25, he has the time to move..but doesn't. According to everyone he is light speed, yet, he can't evade a blast that it not even fired yet, and placed next to his stomach.
"
You do realize they have high tolerance to energy attacks right? Also, if you go watch dragon ball, it is much better at seeing what goku could do wtihout all that energy attacks. This is all based on martial arts until energy attacks came to be later on in dbz. I don't have to prove anything to you because it's already laid out for everyone to see. IF you don't feel like looking at it and are too blind to see, thats not my problem. "
Exactly. Goku no longer sues the techniques he did in DB. DB was based on MArtial Arts, DBZ is just alot of Energy blasts and ridiculous and inconsistent feats.
I never said to prove anything to you. Blind? What are you talking about?
I'm asking you a question, where would you say Goku stands in the DC power chart? Whom would you place him next to?"
I can't specifically answer that question because we do not have any real facts about there true extent of there abilities. how many tones of warheads does it take to destroy a moon? How fast do you think it takes to travel from earth to the moon? the fact that Master Roshy used a kamahamaha and destroyed the moon in a matter of seconds....the fact that the beam it self reached the moon in a matter of seconds when even the earths atmosphere didn't even slow it down....these energy attacks much stronger then people think. And look at the speeds from the Sayan saga. They disappear when they fought, moving at such high speeds that the only way to see them is through energy sensing. And later through out dbz, the feats slowed down for US, the audience to see."
Roshi moon feat is basically smvfl feat. Nothing before or after proves that Roshi had the power to do so. It's a feat that came out of nowhere. It takes light about 1 second, or more. I'm not sure to reach the moon. Let's look at the feats from the Majin Buu saga or forward. That's when they are strongest. The feats were later downgraded.
"Err....actually he is smart. He is a genius when it comes to fighting. And has a great insight on peoples personalities. And your making a comment of how he should fight....when he knows Tien since child hood. "
Genius? He stands by attacks ans lets them hit him. He's no genius. He knows how to fight, but doesn't use tactics like he used to in Dragonball.
No, how he would fight. Goku is not a dirty fighter.
Fast forward to 2:25, he has the time to move..but doesn't. According to everyone he is light speed, yet, he can't evade a blast that it not even fired yet, and placed next to his stomach.
"
You do realize they have high tolerance to energy attacks right? Also, if you go watch dragon ball, it is much better at seeing what goku could do wtihout all that energy attacks. This is all based on martial arts until energy attacks came to be later on in dbz. I don't have to prove anything to you because it's already laid out for everyone to see. IF you don't feel like looking at it and are too blind to see, thats not my problem. "
Exactly. Goku no longer sues the techniques he did in DB. DB was based on MArtial Arts, DBZ is just alot of Energy blasts and ridiculous and inconsistent feats.
I never said to prove anything to you. Blind? What are you talking about?
I'm asking you a question, where would you say Goku stands in the DC power chart? Whom would you place him next to?
"Err....actually he is smart. He is a genius when it comes to fighting. And has a great insight on peoples personalities. And your making a comment of how he should fight....when he knows Tien since child hood. "
Genius? He stands by attacks ans lets them hit him. He's no genius. He knows how to fight, but doesn't use tactics like he used to in Dragonball.
No, how he would fight. Goku is not a dirty fighter.
Fast forward to 2:25, he has the time to move..but doesn't. According to everyone he is light speed, yet, he can't evade a blast that it not even fired yet, and placed next to his stomach.
"This is ridiculous!!! In another thread, it said Frieza would beat Tien. In this thread, Tien has a chance to beat Goku. What the fck is going on. Make some sense people. "
Have you seen this feat? Tien hurt Cell, though he was weaker than him with his Tri Beam."
Yes i have seen it. And don't you think Goku could evade that with the IT."
If Goku was a smart fighter. He usually just waits until the beam is an inch from him and uses IT.
He isn't as smart as people make him out to be.
Snap his neck off? That's not even possible, if you mean head, then I guess it is possible, but Goku does not fight like that.
Where would you place Goku on the Marvel Scale?
and the DC scale? Next to whom would you place him?
"This is ridiculous!!! In another thread, it said Frieza would beat Tien. In this thread, Tien has a chance to beat Goku. What the fck is going on. Make some sense people. "
Have you seen this feat? Tien hurt Cell, though he was weaker than him with his Tri Beam.
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