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@rhysdurden: No.You cant use a list made by a FAN as an evidence.I can make one myself and place demonabane at 2nd and use it as a proof, but I wont because you cant use FAN MADE MATERIALS as a proof in Vsdebates

In VS debating we use proof(feats), not some list made by a guy that probably just browsed some respect thread

@rhysdurden:

Demonbanes feat>>>>Beyonders feat

Actual feats>>>>> Shit tier list

@rhysdurden:lololloloollo, I'm done.You cant use a list made by a fan.Especially if that shit video even think that Deadpool is an honorable mention.That shit ain't proof

Also, I've already seen those scan Because I've read Secret Wars a few years back.

Those feats wont help Beyonder from getting murder stomped by EGD

Demonbane has it's own multiverse containinginfiniteparalleluniverses, highernon-euclidianspace and manyotherrealities and realms. Finally, the Outer and Elder Gods exist beyond the entirety of existence, transcending dimensional space and time,causality,all concepts, all information, existing in the primordial Chaos from which all originate. As further evidence of this, Nyarlathotep is capable of effortlessly creating Klein Bottles

Outer Gods=Multiversal eldritch horror that exists beyond the Multiverse.Infinite in number.All got sealed by Demonbane

Nyarlathotep=Can easily create Klein Bottles, a klein bottle is a test tube that contains infinite Multiverses and infinite dimensional layers.Got stomped by Demonbane and got killed by him 400 million times just by staring at her

@rhysdurden:Strongest in Marvel, yeah.But that doesn't translate to the strongest character in fiction.You could still argue that a character with better feats can beat him.And yeah, there are characters that have better-SHOWN feats.SHOWN not STATED or Boasted or whatever

Also, I don't get why you are saying that since Demonbane is stronger than LT, that means he is stronger than Demonbane. Its like you're power scaling characters from different stories/series.Which you shouldn't do

@rhysdurden:

being simply called a "God" isn't enough proof there are Gods that are not omnipotent.And Beyonder displayed limitations, that already means he isn't.

It was also said that he can be banished from the universe when the Puma is in perfect harmony with the universe. I've seen those scan already and there's a high chance that I've already seen all scans you are going to post

@rhysdurden: So are you saying that Beyonder is always holding himself back? even though he's been surprised many times before? like the time when he got overloaded by the Phoenix?

Yes, Beyonder did grant Phoenix extra power but he tried to resists at the end and was still knocked out by her

@rhysdurden: Another barrage of "Beyonder has no limits scan"?

That just proves that he is stronger than the entire Multiverse, which I already adressed and being stronger than the entire Marvel cosmic pantheon doesn't mean that he's unbeatable than character who has better feats than him .

@rhysdurden: That doesn't explain why Beyonder could stomp someone as strong as Demonbane when a character that Demonbane killed 400 million times with a stare have better-shown feats than Beyonder.

There's also the fact that the Beyonder has weaknesses that had been used against him by weaker characters like when Owen sent his essence back to the Beyond Realm when he is in that body transferring machine.And no MM isn't as powerful as Beyonder

Even a collision between two shining trapezohedrons can give birth and death to infinite multiverses with infinite different characteristics and natures, laws, etc. That can also seal the Court of Azathoth that contains infinite outer gods and can draw power from them and can also connect and can draw every single power of every multiverse in existence and oblivion, exists outside the reach of all multiverses and creation

And EGD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trapezohedrons

And EGD can summon infinite versions of himself.

It would be infinite Demonbanes vs Beyonder

And saying that Beyonder is one most powerful character in comics doesn't prove that he will stomp Demonbane.That is also an opinion and we don't use opinions as proof in debates

@rhysdurden: that' s what I said that he restored Death even though he said he cant

Beyonder isn't omnipotent.Just the fact that his powers can be halved already disqualifies him.Also, I have seen that scans hundreds of times.Doesn't really proved anything about the Beyonder being omnipotent.The Beyonder also claims to be omniscient but he has been surprised many times and have to learn by experience.The Beyonder makes a lot of unfounded claims, he is vastly above the entire Marvel Cosmic entities but claiming that he is omnipotent and can beat any character in fiction short of omnipotents is pushing it

@rhysdurden:Anyway, I hate Pedobane but I cant just ignore feats because I hate the series.