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@ignvela: Not that, its the scan where Death locks the universe behind her

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@rijehu: There was also a scan that I saw that shows Death existing even after she claimed Destiny.I think this makes sense since in the Overture Mother Night said that she will swallow everything at the end.The darkness at the end of Creation is probably Mother Night swallowing Creation back to herself, we all know that the Endless can survive in the Realm of Mother Night so maybe Death just "returned home" after she finished her job.

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@rijehu:Sorry for the late response

Death's range of operation and influence is wider than Destiny.Why? The Basanos was only able to know the future of Lucifer because they know what is written in Destinys book (which Lucifer is still part of) so their knowledge essentially is dependent on Destiny's Book.When they went to Lucifer's Creation they said the reason why they lost was because Lucifer's Creation "blinded" them.This implies that Destiny's influence doesnt extend to Lucifers Creation while Death was able to easily enter Lucifers Creation as shown when he talked with Lucifer and when he claimed Elaine.

Yeah it was said that Lucifer is older than Death but it was also stated that Death claimed Silk Man's Creation which is older than the Creation of the Presence.

About Destiny, my theory is that Destiny is the embodiment of The Presence's Plan (Lucifer did say that Destiny is the result of the Presence's deterministic approach on creation), just like how the Word was created when the Voice first spoke.I believe that the moment the Presence created the Plan (even before the multiverse) Destiny came into existence because destiny came even before creation because the multiverse is already predestined

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@au_141: Nope

Barbatos is the dragon that destroys the failed universes created by the Forger until Barbatos reveled and killed his master, He stopped destroying all the failed worlds and all those failed universes coalesce to form the Dark Multiverse

Plus it was mentioned that Barbatos saw Batman and the Hyper-Adaptor arrived so they cant be the same being

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@ignvela:Thats what I said.You need to erase the concept of Death in order to "kill" her and since Michael's explosion only threatened to erase a single creation while Death was shown to exist in other Creations like Lucifers and Silk Mans reality, I doubt that would be enough to end the Endless

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@all-father said:

The endless kill Michael and then he blows up and kills them

Doubt that he kills Death with that.His explosion only threatened to erase the Creation of the Presence and Death was shown to have greater omnipresence and range than the Angels as shown when

Death claimed Silk Mans reality which is a Creation much older than the Presence and when she appeared in Lucifers Creation to claim Elaine and even chat with Lucifer when he's near death.If you want to kill the Endless you have to erase the concept they represent and since the concept of Death was shown to exist even in other Creations, I doubt that a single Creation busting attack is enough to take her down.Also as shown in Overture, the "viewpoints" of the endless can exist at the same time

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@revold:I have a reason to believe that the Endless are older than Creation

  • Death claimed Silk Man's reality which is older than the Creation of the Presence
  • Destiny was already tracing the Word in his book before it was spoken.The Word was created at the same time as Creation
  • Read The History of the DC universe, Destiny already exist when the hand created Creation
  • The Presence was said to be created from dreams and belief, the father and mother of the Endless exists and are actually the one that makes everything possible

Also, DC isn't the first Creation created by the Presence

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@rhysdurden: yeah and I'm not criticizing you for that.I'm criticizing you for using that list as an evidence.You shouldn't use lists as evidence

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@rhysdurden: forgive my language, but I'm just being honest here.That is a shitty list